New Hampshire Underground

Social Security Card Burn

Russell and Kat have drawn a line in the sand... Big Brother is not welcome in New Hampshire.
The symbol of burning their Social Security cards says NO to the RealID Act the National ID.
"Feel Like a Number" if we don't say NO NATIONAL ID our children will inherit the unFree America we allow.
All are welcome, whether you want to watch, hold a sign or join in the burning.? Lady Liberty will be making an appearance at the event.

What: Civil disobedience against National ID
Where: Social Security Office, 70 Commercial Street in Concord, NH
When: Saturday, November 12 @ noon
Who: Russell Kanning and Kat Dillon of Keene, NH, supporters from NHfree.com
Why: To draw attention to the continuing loss of privacy and freedom due to National ID
How: By burning social security cards
Contacts: Russell Kanning: (603) 357-2049, Kat Dillon (same number)



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-Welcome to the machine-
Pink Floyd

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
Provided with toys and 'Scouting for Boys'.
You bought a guitar to punish your ma,
And you didn't like school, and you
know you're nobody's fool,
So welcome to the machine.

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream?
It's alright we told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a big star,
He played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the Steak Bar.
He loved to drive in his Jaguar.
So welcome to the Machine.


Would you like a sign? Let me know.



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Or maybe you don't like being robbed and lied to.


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Perhaps your more of a Bob Seger fan than Pink Floyd.

-Feel Like A Number-
Bob Seger

I take my card and I stand in line
To make a buck I work overtime
Dear Sir letters keep coming in the mail
I work my back till it's racked with pain
The boss can't even recall my name
I show up late and I'm docked
It never fails
I feel like just another
Spoke in a great big wheel
Like a tiny blade of grass
In a great big field
To workers I'm just another drone
To Ma Bell I'm just another phone
I'm just another statistic on a sheet
To teachers I'm just another child
To IRS I'm just another file
I'm just another consensus on the street
Gonna cruise out of this city
Head down to the sea
Gonna shout out at the ocean
Hey it's me
And I feel like a number
Feel like a number
Feel like a stranger
A stranger in this land
I feel like a number
I'm not a number
I'm not a number
Dammit I'm a man
I said I'm a man

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You said it much better than I have. 8)

Feel like a number?  Vote in Roger's poll so you can be numbered....   ;D

Of course you can make a difference!  I hope more than 4 people participate in this!!  Come on porcs!

Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 08, 2005, 01:56 PM NHFT
Of course you can make a difference!

With just 3 dollars a month
visit http://amp.freetalklive.com

Pimp it, pres!   ;D

AMAZING WORK, Roger! ? :o

Even though we managed to bring 25+ people to the RFID protest, we're disappointed that so few people were there from the NH Underground. ?There were also very few people from the NH Underground at the NHLA Civic Action fundraiser at the Loudon Speedway.

It is desirable, though not necessary, to support each other's events in order to create the maximum effect with the minimum amount of activists. ?I don't want to attack anyone for this, but please keep this in mind when asking people to support your events.

I'll be at this event. ?You can burn my SS card if arrest seems imminent. ?If not, then I'll burn my own. ? :)

Quote from: Roger Grant on November 07, 2005, 10:11 PM NHFT
-Welcome to the machine-
Pink Floyd

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
It's alright we know where you've been.
You've been in the pipeline, filling in time,
Provided with toys and 'Scouting for Boys'.
You bought a guitar to punish your ma,
And you didn't like school, and you
know you're nobody's fool,
So welcome to the machine.

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream?
It's alright we told you what to dream.
You dreamed of a big star,
He played a mean guitar,
He always ate in the Steak Bar.
He loved to drive in his Jaguar.
So welcome to the Machine.

It's so true...  :'(

I want this one.  :)

(http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2204.0;attach=250;image)

I was working Saturday.   >:(

Quote from: katdillon on November 08, 2005, 03:07 PM NHFT
I was working Saturday.? ?>:(

Please don't be upset.  I was working from Friday night until about 5am Saturday, then I went to sleep at 6am, causing me to be very tired and show up 45 minutes late to the event.

Luckily, I do not work this Friday night, or I wouldn't be able to go to your event.   :o

I am ticked.  It's great you're coming, but I wouldn't hassle you or even think anything about it if you didn't show up. 

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 08, 2005, 03:02 PM NHFTEven though we managed to bring 25+ people to the RFID protest, we're disappointed that so few people were there from the NH Underground. ?There were also very few people from the NH Underground at the NHLA Civic Action fundraiser at the Loudon Speedway.

What is the nh underground? Isn't it just a place for people to hang out and plan events?
Wasn't the rfid protest and speedway fundraiser promoted on this forum and attended by guys that hang out on this forum? You were there both times Mike .... how many people that were at those events also have usernames here? Somehow we got reports about those events ....someone from here must have been there.

I personally do not like to protest walmart, but that didn't stop any of you from doing it. Kat and I couldn't come to the speedway, but patmc, cnht, you, davemincin, seth, musestion, candy, friday, dawn, gard, coffey's, villee, max, ...... made it. They all are or have been a "part" of the underground, but are more known for other affiliations. The underground doesn't really exist ..... so it cannot have a good showing at an event. :)

Quote from: katdillon on November 08, 2005, 06:43 AM NHFT
Feel like a number?? Vote in Roger's poll so you can be numbered....? ?;D

Sorry, I'm boycotting polls........ jk ;)

JM

That needed to be an option. ;)

Quote from: russellkanning on November 08, 2005, 03:49 PM NHFT
What is the nh underground?

There were at least 5 of 'us'
Pat M.
Mike F
Toowm
Dreepa
Jane
maybe some others who I am forgetting.

Yea it is kindof funny to think of people representing the underground. Like when Jane shows up at an event .... she is not from the underground .... she is the cnht chick.

Quote from: jgmaynard on November 08, 2005, 04:00 PM NHFT

Quote from: katdillon on November 08, 2005, 06:43 AM NHFT
Feel like a number?? Vote in Roger's poll so you can be numbered....? ?;D

Sorry, I'm boycotting polls........ jk ;)

JM

A poll is not the same as voting to force your will on to someone else. I just wanted to get an idea of the number of folks that will turn out.

My wife and son are going to be there, the ones I know I can count on. We'll have fun and capture an image of the moment.

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 08, 2005, 03:07 PM NHFT
I want this one.? :)

(http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2204.0;attach=250;image)

Sure Mike I'll have one with your name on it at the event.

Glad that it resonanted with you, even if it is a dark feeling, it reaches people.
The music of our era will be studied as the heart of our culture. Pink Floyd's art will out live the majority of what most people think is important.

Quote from: Scott Roth on November 08, 2005, 05:04 PM NHFT
I'll be out of state on Saturday, but my heart will be in Concord!

Thanks for the feedback Scott. We'll get pictures and maybe something on video for the audience. :)

Caleb is bringing us to Concord that day.

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 08, 2005, 03:02 PM NHFT
Even though we managed to bring 25+ people to the RFID protest, we're disappointed that so few people were there from the NH Underground. ?There were also very few people from the NH Underground at the NHLA Civic Action fundraiser at the Loudon Speedway.

It is desirable, though not necessary, to support each other's events in order to create the maximum effect with the minimum amount of activists. ?I don't want to attack anyone for this, but please keep this in mind when asking people to support your events.

I'll be at this event. ?You can burn my SS card if arrest seems imminent. ?If not, then I'll burn my own. ? :)

I didn't go to the RFID event... the need to pick out the things that are with in our grasp means letting some things go by. Prioritizing is what I end up having to do.

I won't be burning a SS card, we'll have signs for people, shoot video and pictures and have as much fun as I feel we can get away with. The least I can do considering the courage of Mr. Monkey and Kat. The same emotion motivated me to go to New London for Lauren's rally.

We all do what we feel we can. Mike, Russell, Kat, Lauren etc. your courage motivated me to get involved with the NH Underground's approach to change. We learn to count on each other and enthusiasm grows.

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 08, 2005, 03:02 PM NHFT
AMAZING WORK, Roger!   :o

Even though we managed to bring 25+ people to the RFID protest, we're disappointed that so few people were there from the NH Underground.  There were also very few people from the NH Underground at the NHLA Civic Action fundraiser at the Loudon Speedway.

It is desirable, though not necessary, to support each other's events in order to create the maximum effect with the minimum amount of activists.  I don't want to attack anyone for this, but please keep this in mind when asking people to support your events.

People will attend the events they are interested in.  I don't want "reciprocal activists" at any events I'm organizing.  I want people who believe in the cause.  (Whatever it is.)

In the case of the RFID protest, if I was to have showed up, it would have been in protest of your protest.  Much like you'd have done for the Lost Liberty Hotel.  Surely you wouldn't have attended their events, feeling the way you do, would you?

Create a good event, promote it, and they will come.   8)

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 08, 2005, 03:02 PM NHFT
Even though we managed to bring 25+ people to the RFID protest, we're disappointed that so few people were there from the NH Underground.  There were also very few people from the NH Underground at the NHLA Civic Action fundraiser at the Loudon Speedway.

It is desirable, though not necessary, to support each other's events in order to create the maximum effect with the minimum amount of activists.  I don't want to attack anyone for this, but please keep this in mind when asking people to support your events.

I'll be at this event.  You can burn my SS card if arrest seems imminent.  If not, then I'll burn my own.   :)

As I discussed with Joel on Sunday, I remain unconvinced that, because I hate the idea of my government spying on me, I should protest Walmart for using RFID chips.  I like Warlmart and their low prices, and RFID chips are a cool technology that could help keep their prices low.  Maybe I need to read Catherine Albrecht's book to understand this issue fully.  I was at the NHLA Civic Action fundraiser.

I agree that it's desirable to support each other's events, but not if you don't even agree with the purpose of the event.  :)

I don't like Walmart ( it is dangerous)
http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/REPOSITORY/511090366/1221

I think that RFID is cool and useful for inventory purposes but.... that is not what Walmart is doing.  It is on the product for people to take home.  It is only a few more steps before the govt gets involved.

I am not saying that people should have gone or not.  Pick and choose but Ian why would you want to protest the protest? (That I don't understand).

I had no intention of going until I heard Katherine speak.

Quote from: Dreepa on November 09, 2005, 07:20 AM NHFT
I don't like Walmart ( it is dangerous)
http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/REPOSITORY/511090366/1221

you are joking right?

Quote from: russellkanning on November 09, 2005, 07:40 AM NHFT

Quote from: Dreepa on November 09, 2005, 07:20 AM NHFT
I don't like Walmart ( it is dangerous)
http://concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051109/REPOSITORY/511090366/1221

you are joking right?

Joking about not liking Walmart?  No
About being afraid of planes?  yes.
This is a real article.

Quote from: Dreepa on November 09, 2005, 07:20 AM NHFT
Ian why would you want to protest the protest? (That I don't understand).

That's *IF* I were to show up.  I'd just simply protest in favor of industry's use of RFID and tell anyone who asked that government shouldn't be using RFID, but I don't care if industry does.

Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 09, 2005, 11:04 AM NHFT

Quote from: Dreepa on November 09, 2005, 07:20 AM NHFT
Ian why would you want to protest the protest? (That I don't understand).

That's *IF* I were to show up.  I'd just simply protest in favor of industry's use of RFID and tell anyone who asked that government shouldn't be using RFID, but I don't care if industry does.

Thinking the government should not to use RFID is like thinking the government not to use computers, radios and telephones....or any other peice of modern technology.

Hmm.. banishing the govt from using modern technology?  Now that sounds like a law I could get behind!   ;D

We're going to have to protect ourselves from RFID's being used against us.

Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 09, 2005, 11:04 AM NHFT

Quote from: Dreepa on November 09, 2005, 07:20 AM NHFT
Ian why would you want to protest the protest? (That I don't understand).

That's *IF* I were to show up.? I'd just simply protest in favor of industry's use of RFID and tell anyone who asked that government shouldn't be using RFID, but I don't care if industry does.

Just a couple of things:
1.  Katherine has asked Walmart to not use RFID on consumer products.  AND it they did she is asking for disclosure to customers.  She does NOT want to get the government involved.
2.  What if the govt wants to use the info from Walmart against you?

You can be a capitalist and still think that big business does some shitty things.

Of course I can.  I just don't think RFID is a shitty thing.  It's pretty damn cool.

Yes, if government gets involved, it can be shitty, but that's when the protest should happen, IMO.

Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 09, 2005, 02:16 PM NHFT
Of course I can.? I just don't think RFID is a shitty thing.? It's pretty damn cool.

Yes, if government gets involved, it can be shitty, but that's when the protest should happen, IMO.

So we shouldn't protest companies? ???
I hate Nike I won't buy Nike.  Consumer pressure is the best way to get companies to change... NOT thru regulation.

Also lets say that Walmart has the best intentions?
I worked on an RFID program once... it is cool... but.... ( have Katherine on your show-- worse case you can debate her)
Then Govt gets all the records (because with the Patriot Act they can)
How are you going to protest that?  It is already too late.

Sure, protest companies if you like.  Personally I've never hated a company enough to protest it.  I'd just rather stop shopping there and perhaps talk about how crappy they are on my show.

My time is limited, so I'd rather spend time protesting the coercive state instead of a voluntary company.

In regards to your final question, there are lots of terrible things the govt does and they deserve to be protested against, even after the fact. 

Really, should we protest every business that collects personal information because there's a chance that they might turn the info over to the govt?

I don't "protest" companies I don't like. I just don't use them and tell others.
Maybe if Walmart was actually doing something horrible.

Do we protest banks because they share info with the government?

I think you guys are missing the point.

Check out Katherine's book or website.

RFID makes it sooooooo much easier for the Govt to collect info on you.

Trust me I am not the protesting business type.   But I figured that you guys would also realize that getting the word out is a way to inform people about RFID.  I don't shop at Walmart they lose one customer... if I tell people they might lose more.

pardon me for interrupting ;)

Here is the final print version... I'll have 3 of these available in addition to the one spoke for by Mike.
19in wide x 26in tall
Printed and I'll mount to a foamcore backing tomorrow.


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In addition I've printed

19 x 26
2 "Feel Like A Number"
2 "The Big Lie"

19 x 13
1 New Hampshire Underground

19 x 10.5
2 SS Cards

All to be mounted to backing tomorrow.

Altered "The Big Lie"

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Quote from: Scott Roth on November 09, 2005, 05:04 PM NHFT
That is really nice, Roger.

:)

If we can get everyone together for a grouping of signs, the burning of the cards, the pitch forked protestor, Lady Liberty etc...  should make for a fun scene and a good shot for us and the press. Need a picture to tell the story, we will make it.

80% chance I can be there!  I will however have no signs flags cards video cameras or anything.   Well I could bring a video cam if Roger isn't going to.  Lemme know on this thread if you are going to videotape this Roger...

BTW roger I liked your camera work on the porcfest video, the documentary moves, nice stuff.

Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 09, 2005, 05:37 PM NHFT
80% chance I can be there!? I will however have no signs flags cards video cameras or anything.? ?Well I could bring a video cam if Roger isn't going to.? Lemme know on this thread if you are going to videotape this Roger...

Which sign would you like... it's yours. :)

Yes we are going to shoot stills and video, so everyone else can see this historical moment. ;D

Be there or be square ;D

Saturday Weather for Concord
:)

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We have been very lucky with the rain so far for these events. 8)

Hard to burn stuff in the rain.

So how's your mood Russell, as the days to the burn diminish.

I'd like to get a little interview with you at the shindig. :)

Might have to invest in an E-Z-Up canopy to create an instant 10x10 dry spot.  :)

This should be fun.

Quote from: KBCraig on November 09, 2005, 07:11 PM NHFT
Might have to invest in an E-Z-Up canopy to create an instant 10x10 dry spot.? :)

Not with out a permit, you won't  :)

Russell's mood = always cheerful.

As are many who are, actualy, in asylums ;D

OK who changed my poll? :)
I mean it was obviously "push polling" ;D

Quote from: TN-FSP on November 09, 2005, 10:02 PM NHFT

Quote from: KBCraig on November 09, 2005, 07:11 PM NHFT
Might have to invest in an E-Z-Up canopy to create an instant 10x10 dry spot.? :)

Not with out a permit, you won't :)

What's a permit?

Russell, Kat, Ian etc.

Hey just thought it would be great if we could get a pre-event radio interview...
We could use the audio (with Ian's permission of course) to edit with the video footage. Add another dimension.

FTL and or any other call in show. Would generate a larger audience for the event. With a follow up interview post event.

Yea Ian when should we do this....tonight?

Does someone think that National ID isn't going to effect NH?  Does someone think that NH government can't individually reject National ID?

Quote from: russellkanning on November 10, 2005, 08:20 AM NHFT
Yea Ian when should we do this....tonight?

Friday would be better, cus Torgo is on.

I can call in too, cus I talked to the cops.

Should I follow up with the Dan?
Do you have any questions you want me to ask him, or any info you want me to pass along?

I'm still not sure if Russell wants to get arrested or not.

I don't want to get arrested. I want the government to stop hassling me.
You should call up Gard's show and Ian's.

Quote from: katdillon on November 10, 2005, 08:23 AM NHFT
Does someone think that National ID isn't going to effect NH?? Does someone think that NH government can't individually reject National ID?

Oh?   This is about National I.D.?   Escaped me, as I'm sure it will escape many.

Whenever!  No need to ask permission to use my audio.  Go to town.

Quote from: Roger Grant on November 09, 2005, 04:59 PM NHFT
pardon me for interrupting ;)

Here is the final print version... I'll have 3 of these available in addition to the one spoke for by Mike.
19in wide x 26in tall
Printed and I'll mount to a foamcore backing tomorrow.

That's amazing!!!  You are out of control, Roger!   8)

Quote from: Roger Grant on November 08, 2005, 05:33 PM NHFT
I didn't go to the RFID event... the need to pick out the things that are with in our grasp means letting some things go by. Prioritizing is what I end up having to do.

I won't be burning a SS card, we'll have signs for people, shoot video and pictures and have as much fun as I feel we can get away with. The least I can do considering the courage of Mr. Monkey and Kat. The same emotion motivated me to go to New London for Lauren's rally.

We all do what we feel we can. Mike, Russell, Kat, Lauren etc. your courage motivated me to get involved with the NH Underground's approach to change. We learn to count on each other and enthusiasm grows.

Agreed.  We all do what we can with what we've got.  :)

Thank you very much for the kind words, Roger.   :) :) :)

Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 10, 2005, 01:04 PM NHFT

Quote from: katdillon on November 10, 2005, 08:23 AM NHFT
Does someone think that National ID isn't going to effect NH?? Does someone think that NH government can't individually reject National ID?

Oh?? ?This is about National I.D.?? ?Escaped me, as I'm sure it will escape many.

Hey Lloyd maybe you missed the press release. ;D

========================================
For Immediate Release
Subject:? Social Security Card Burn

When Social Security was first foisted on America, the cards were imprinted with, "Not to be used for Identification."? People were wary of the tyranny involved with a national ID card, so the government had to promise that the Social Security number would never be used for ID.? They have broken that promise.? As Americans became resigned to the idea of having a national number, the promise was quietly removed from the cards.? Now, of course, the social security number is used for so many purposes, it is a defacto national ID number.? Doctors, banks, motor vehicle departments, utilities companies?the list is endless of groups wanting your national ID number, groups having nothing to do with social security and retirement funds.

Now, with the passage of the Real ID act, the National ID card is outright law, and no longer just a defacto national ID number.? Individuals wishing to travel in this country, whether it be driving themselves or riding on trains, busses, and airplanes will now be required to carry their national ID card, with their national ID number included on it.? Even walking in public requires a person to carry their ID, as recent court decisions show.? National ID cards are to carry "biometric data" probably in the form of a RFID chip, which can be read from a distance.? Personal data about you will be available to any hacker on the street, in addition to being given to the Mexican and Canadian governments.

National ID cards have long been a tool of tyrannical government.? A government which abuses and therefore fears its populace needs to be able to track them at all times.? No government who governs justly need barricade itself in, as Washington D.C. has done.? A government who remains the servant of the people need not track the peoples' every move.

To protest the injustice of the national ID number and national ID card, Russell Kanning and Kat Dillon of NHFree.com invite the people of New Hampshire to join us in burning the symbols of our oppression.? We will be gathering on November 12th at 12 noon at Two Corporate Center at Horseshoe Pond, 70 Commercial Street in Concord, NH to burn our social security cards.? All are welcome, whether you want to watch or join in the burning.? Lady Liberty will be making an appearance at the event.

When asked, both the Social Security Administration and the Concord Police Department have refused to comment on whether burning one's Social Security Card is illegal.? We don't know at this time whether we will be arrested for this act or not.? Kanning was arrested last June for attempting to board a flight to Philadelphia without showing his ID.

What: Civil disobedience against National ID
Where: Social Security Office, 70 Commercial Street in Concord, NH
When: Saturday, November 12 @ noon
Who: Russell Kanning and Kat Dillon of Keene, NH, supporters from NHfree.com
Why: To draw attention to the continuing loss of privacy and freedom due to National ID
How: By burning social security cards
Contacts: Russell Kanning: (603) 357-2049, Kat Dillon (same number)
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If people have to read a press release to find out what you are protesting about....

Quote from: LeRuineur6 on November 10, 2005, 01:46 PM NHFT

Quote from: Roger Grant on November 08, 2005, 05:33 PM NHFT
I didn't go to the RFID event... the need to pick out the things that are with in our grasp means letting some things go by. Prioritizing is what I end up having to do.

I won't be burning a SS card, we'll have signs for people, shoot video and pictures and have as much fun as I feel we can get away with. The least I can do considering the courage of Mr. Monkey and Kat. The same emotion motivated me to go to New London for Lauren's rally.

We all do what we feel we can. Mike, Russell, Kat, Lauren etc. your courage motivated me to get involved with the NH Underground's approach to change. We learn to count on each other and enthusiasm grows.

Agreed.? We all do what we can with what we've got.? :)

Thank you very much for the kind words, Roger.? ?:) :) :)

Hey Mike, it's because of you I made the signs for this event. Remember you came up to me at New London and said you liked my sign. Encouragement goes a long way to build enthusiasm. :)

Quote from: president on November 10, 2005, 04:08 PM NHFT
If people have to read a press release to find out what you are protesting about....

That's why we have signs. ;D

Can't discourage people having fun...  >:D

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If Roger and William are there, I'm there.  That William broke me out of jail!

Quote from: TackleTheWorld on November 10, 2005, 08:47 PM NHFT
If Roger and William are there, I'm there.? That William broke me out of jail!

Very cool... you are one of my heroes Lauren.
Wow, maybe we can change things... with dedication and courage (and some fun thrown in) :)

Tomorrow's weather for Concord.
:)

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That map doesn't look right. Our location is going to just past the Courtyard by Marriot right near the freeway.

Quote from: russellkanning on November 11, 2005, 07:03 AM NHFT
That map doesn't look right. Our location is going to just past the Courtyard by Marriot right near the freeway.

Sorry Russell that's what mapquest showed me... can we get the right one up. I don't want to get lost. :)

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/admin/transactions.html

it doesn't work today

Batman says "I'll be there!"

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http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=&csz=Concord%2C+NH&state=NH&uzip=03301&ds=n&name=&desc=&lat=43.208141&lon=-71.538033&mlt=43.218276135134&mln=-71.538033&zoomin=yes&BFKey=&resize=l&trf=0&mag=2

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=&csz=Concord%2C+NH&state=NH&uzip=03301&ds=n&name=&desc=&lat=43.208141&lon=-71.538033&mlt=43.218276135134&mln=-71.538033&zoomin=yes&BFKey=&resize=l&trf=0&mag=2

This is the place .... depends on which map you look at for the street name.

http://maps.google.com/maps?sc=1&hl=en&output=html&btnG=Search&q=70+Commercial+St,+Concord,+NH+03301&zoom=0&zp=O

This one is basically right.

I deleted the wrong map...

Can you put up directions for people. With my dial-up connection this stuff is painfully slow.
I've got to get to work.

Thanks Russell.

We will have Batman, the Outlaw Manicurist, the ufo, and the always dangerous Lauren - Kelo #8

Quote from: russellkanning on November 11, 2005, 07:44 AM NHFT
We will have Batman, the Outlaw Manicurist, the ufo, and the always dangerous Lauren - Kelo #8

lol

So it looks like I-93 to 202-west, then right onto Constitution Ave. (like the sound of that), then right on Commercial St. and we are there --Social Security Office-- 70 Commercial Street in Concord, NH

12 noon see you there. :)

Every map shows it a little different .... but I think we have all figured it out. After we turn west on 202 we will take a right on Constitution or Commercial or NMain streets. The SSA is suite 100 and is the next building after the Courtyard by Marriot.

Roger wrote:

<<Hey Lloyd maybe you missed the press release.>>

The media usually misses the press releases too, even if they show up.  Message has to be super simple.  Burning SSI cards is good and simple but the National ID thing , virtually no one reading about this event will even make the connection.

I've been thinking about what a National ID means for America and our childrens future...

If someone said 'why are you trying to stop this?'
What's wrong with SSN number being used for your ID number?

I'd have to tell the story of my son having a SSN attached to him at birth against our explicit refusal. We were within the law to not have him a SSN issued. We signed an agreement with the hospital's "Privacy Officer". We talked to her for 30 minutes and she acted like she completely understood our concerns and desires.

Well two weeks later, got in the mail, his SSN. When called on this the "Privacy Officer" claimed it all was a mistake. >:(

They tagged our only son, not for his benefit, they tag our children so they can control them. Track them, send them to the government indoctrination centers (public schools), and if they need cannon fodder when he reaches 18... he gets shipped halfway around the world to die for somebodies elses reasons.:'(

This 'total information awareness' system that our "free" country has created... That is poised to engulf our privacy.

Anyway... what are your reasons for wanting to stop this.

Tomorrow at the event, if you feel the desire to express these feelings to my camera, well that would be great. If we speak to people from our hearts instead of a bunch of dry rhetoric, we can reach them. I few little snippets, sound bites would be useful.

If we can't articulate our feelings... how would you explain to a friend, your parents, your children.

Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 11, 2005, 05:09 PM NHFT
Roger wrote:

<<Hey Lloyd maybe you missed the press release.>>

The media usually misses the press releases too, even if they show up.? Message has to be super simple.? Burning SSI cards is good and simple but the National ID thing , virtually no one reading about this event will even make the connection.

I think it is worthwhile to simply remind people that they are numbered and the sinister implications of this.

The root of Real ID, the National ID system that has yet to be fully implimented, is the use of the SSN as the universal identifier.
Many people I talk to (non libertarians) have an undercurrent of distaste for being numbered. The DMV experience that people go through today to show documentation etc. is a real sore point. Even alot of the people working in the jobs that have to demand this stuff don't feel this stuff is very American. We all just think there is nothing we can do about it.

Help tailor our message... give me input. Let's all work toward reaching people on an emotional level.

This is just a start...

Quote from: russellkanning on November 11, 2005, 07:44 AM NHFT
We will have Batman, the Outlaw Manicurist, the ufo, and the always dangerous Lauren - Kelo #8

Crap, I've clearly got to work on my notoriety.  I didn't even make the roster. >:D

Hey I was hoping that Lady Liberty would make it! ;D

Maybe one of these events I can resurrect my alter ego... Lt. Roger Wilco



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Quote from: Scott Roth on November 11, 2005, 06:12 PM NHFT
As long as he brings along the...donuts!

That's right
"To Protect and Serve... Donuts"
A true public servant! ;D

He ain't the POLICE...
Lt. Wilco is a POLITE Officer he says please and thank you.

Quote from: Scott Roth on November 11, 2005, 06:12 PM NHFT
You will make it, won't you Lady?

Of course I'll be there.  I'm mentioned in the press release, and that would be weak indeed if Lady Liberty was a no show!

I'm thinking of running by the Hooksett Fireworks Superstore. Anybody want to light their SS card with a 4th of July sparkler?  >:D

Quote from: Friday on November 11, 2005, 06:23 PM NHFT

Quote from: Scott Roth on November 11, 2005, 06:12 PM NHFT
You will make it, won't you Lady?

Of course I'll be there.? I'm mentioned in the press release, and that would be weak indeed if Lady Liberty was a no show!

I'm thinking of running by the Hooksett Fireworks Superstore. Anybody want to light their SS card with a 4th of July sparkler?? >:D

Sounds patriotic and a great visual.

This going to be a party!

Heh.. that would be a great idea for a competing protection agency.

I can see it spreading like wildfire!

Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 11, 2005, 06:47 PM NHFT
Heh.. that would be a great idea for a competing protection agency.

I can see it spreading like wildfire!

Indeed...   8)

Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 11, 2005, 05:09 PM NHFT
The media usually misses the press releases too, even if they show up. Message has to be super simple. Burning SSI cards is good and simple but the National ID thing , virtually no one reading about this event will even make the connection.

The lady that interviewed me for the radio asked if we needed these numbers for identification..... she seemed to get the point.

Quote from: russellkanning on November 11, 2005, 08:51 PM NHFT

Quote from: DadaOrwell on November 11, 2005, 05:09 PM NHFT
The media usually misses the press releases too, even if they show up. Message has to be super simple. Burning SSI cards is good and simple but the National ID thing , virtually no one reading about this event will even make the connection.

The lady that interviewed me for the radio asked if we needed these numbers for identification..... she seemed to get the point.

Hey give us some details of the interview which radio station was it? 8)

Quote from: Roger Grant on November 11, 2005, 09:15 PM NHFT
Hey give us some details of the interview which radio station was it? 8)

I forget .... Dada set it up ..... it is in Concord.

Is the Howler Monkey bringing bananas for this?

nah

Quote from: katdillon on November 12, 2005, 07:17 AM NHFT
Is the Howler Monkey bringing bananas for this?

Maybe NHFree should sell these: http://store.yahoo.com/opg/banana1.html
You can even have text printed on them.  ;D

LOL!

We also release stress by burning government paperwork.