Per Ian's Porc-411 message, Jim was taken to jail for refusing to fill out a financial affidavit.
:-\
This was about the trespassing arrest a year ago. He was fined, and they wanted financial info from him since he wasn't paying the fine. He's being jailed indefinitely according to Ian.
interesting .... if he doesn't pay the fine they keep him in jail for a while .... which doesn't teach Jim a lesson and makes people pay for the prison state
if he doesn't fill out paperwork he is kept there until he gives in or the state gives in .... meanwhile county taxpayers pay for more expenses. I sure hope this doesn't cut into other parts of the budget. ;)
Jim is a good man, a principled man. Jim never fails to step up to help us and many others.
Today I watched this principled, kind, giant of a man treated beyond anything reasonable.
Upon our arrival at the court we saw the freshly painted area... the sidewalk they would like everyone to forget that was charred by the burning body of a man abused by their "system".
The court's antique thugs were pretty unpleasant and immediately were giving Ian, who has the right to video the proceedings, a bunch of grief. They also threatened the arrest of people who wouldn't stand... an empty threat that actually led to more of a disturbance than if they had been wise enough to just ignore it.
The tallest bully proceeded to order Ian to sit down and promptly stood in front of the camera. Was this an overt criminal act to prevent the exercise of a legal right to record the proceedings?
The Noble Knight stood tall and willingly went forward, fully aware that they would menace him for his disobedience.
Can Mr. Arnold, the man in the robe, throw someone into a cage forever for not giving his financial life over to the system... can he get away with the duress of forcing a man to sign away his 4th amendment rights?
They are now in the process of torturing our friend... they will attempt to destroy him, break him so that he will kiss the hand of his oppressor...
Jim delayed his trial so that he would be at William's party, more concerned for his young friend than his own pending trial by torture.
Anyone who wants to give these arrogant, vengeful, over reaching criminals the benefit of the doubt is a fool and an enabler.
Jail for Jim is much as jail would be for me... being confined/tortured into compliance... Jim stepped forward into this knowing how much he does not want to be in their cage. One of the braver acts I have ever witnessed.
This sucks. :(
I guess the details are not that important. The system just wants him to bow to them, which he has not been doing.
I guess he has been sitting in a little cement box (about 15'x8') for 23 hours a day while they decide where to put him.
So you guys were in the Superior Court in front of Arnold? He is not a very pleasant man ... is he.
They want to know everything about you and then see what buttons they should push to control you.
I am glad that, even though Jim is in the Ministry of Love, he still doesn't love big brother.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on June 29, 2011, 04:14 PM NHFT
Jim is a good man, a principled man. Jim never fails to step up to help us and many others.
Today I watched this principled, kind, giant of a man treated beyond anything reasonable.
Upon our arrival at the court we saw the freshly painted area... the sidewalk they would like everyone to forget that was charred by the burning body of a man abused by their "system".
The court's antique thugs were pretty unpleasant and immediately were giving Ian, who has the right to video the proceedings, a bunch of grief. They also threatened the arrest of people who wouldn't stand... an empty threat that actually led to more of a disturbance than if they had been wise enough to just ignore it.
The tallest bully proceeded to order Ian to sit down and promptly stood in front of the camera. Was this an overt criminal act to prevent the exercise of a legal right to record the proceedings?
The Noble Knight stood tall and willingly went forward, fully aware that they would menace him for his disobedience.
Can Mr. Arnold, the man in the robe, throw someone into a cage forever for not giving his financial life over to the system... can he get away with the duress of forcing a man to sign away his 4th amendment rights?
They are now in the process of torturing our friend... they will attempt to destroy him, break him so that he will kiss the hand of his oppressor...
Jim delayed his trial so that he would be at William's party, more concerned for his young friend than his own pending trial by torture.
Anyone who wants to give these arrogant, vengeful, over reaching criminals the benefit of the doubt is a fool and an enabler.
Jail for Jim is much as jail would be for me... being confined/tortured into compliance... Jim stepped forward into this knowing how much he does not want to be in their cage. One of the braver acts I have ever witnessed.
Beautifully stated.
Thank you.
Jim Johnson Jailed Indefinitely for Not Filling out Court Form (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2mDVehTeug#ws)
Does anyone know if there is any RSA requiring someone to fill out a financial affidavit in regards to fines? If there is would he then be willing to fill it out? If there isn't how would it be possible for the court to hold him indefinitely?
What can be done about this? How can this be legal!? This is an absolutely shameful act by these thugs in the courtroom. The attitude and idle threats trying to force people to follow non-existent "rules of the courtroom" bullying them like children on a playground. This is absolutely ridiculous and they are the ones who should have some sort of consequence.
also what is with his wardrobe?
and to think this began when Jim waved to me from outside the jail walls ... later that day he was inside them
:( >:(
I am very sad. This is wrong.
Jim Johnson
Cheshire County D.O.C.
D block
825 Marlboro Road
Keene, NH 03431
603-903-1600
or use Barskey's
Mail to Jail (http://www.mail-to-jail.com/)
(Corrected address)
Some of the links to threads regarding this situation and the backstory. Things are kind of spread across the forum.
Jim Johnson, Tres Passive 12 Trial for Nonpayment of Fine
http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5136.0 (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5136.0)
Jailbird Johnson
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=23030.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=23030.0)
The Trials of the Tres Passive Twelve
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20618.0 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20618.0)
Re: Russell Arrested
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321785#msg321785 (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=20553.msg321785#msg321785)
(http://gallery.me.com/jschmill/100722/Sign/web.jpg?ver=12723268240001)
More of Puke's Photos from the jail protest (http://gallery.me.com/jschmill#100722&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=20)
thanks for pulling it all together .... I always had trouble keeping up with all the trials .... and all of this was just for Jim
I guess I am not sad. We know the system is rotten. It is just good to know there are decent people like Jim unwilling to bow to it.
At least this time in jail, Jim gets some cooler air.
Quote from: livefreeordye on June 29, 2011, 09:06 PM NHFT
Does anyone know if there is any RSA requiring someone to fill out a financial affidavit in regards to fines? If there is would he then be willing to fill it out? If there isn't how would it be possible for the court to hold him indefinitely?
What can be done about this? How can this be legal!?
The system is broken. The judge just calls it contempt of court and can hold him indefinitely.
Leet you are perhaps starting to see that the reliance on the laws, the courts, the cops is misplaced. They pretty much do as they please, they have quite a wide range of catch all charges that they fall back on to prevent "justice".
I used to think it was a matter of some corrupt players within the system, since my involvement in multiple courts, in multiple jurisdictions I see that these injustices are the norm rather than the aberration. I think it is important for more people to be exposed to this fact.
It is good to witness these proceedings against decent people ..... even from a distance, to realize the system is invented to protect those that plunder us. Tolstoy reasoned that the courts and juries were to spread the guilt of punishments and imprisonment into more people's hands.
Judge Arnold hoped I would move back to California, so they didn't have to deal with me. I bet he will hope the same with little jimmy johnson too. :)
So has the president gotten a new security detail ... or does he go by a different title now?
Sending this letter to J.Johnson:
Dear Mr. Johnson,
It has come to our attention that you have not filled out form 1070SLA, showing your proper obedience and servitude to Our Almighty State. Please fill out this voluntary form, otherwise we will continue to hold you in a secure facility. This is for your own protection. If no blue or black pen is available for form-filling, it is acceptable to kiss Lt. Mousseau's ring, and all will be forgiven.
Sincerely,
Your Blessed Overlords
is his paycheck as the vice-president being forwarded properly?
Quote from: livefreeordye on June 29, 2011, 09:06 PM NHFT
also what is with his wardrobe?
Little known is the fact that Jim is actually a video game character.
I just got a call from Jim. He says his back hurts and he's locked up 23 hours/day in Russell's old room with nothing to read but the financial form. The food is pretty good, the mattress is bad. He was speaking so faintly it was hard to hear him. He's meditating and thinking about filling out the form to get out.
So he is not in the "r and d" area (where they evaluate people before they enter the "population) ... he is in "S" block, which stands for "segregation"? Do they keep him there as punishment?
The phones might not work well.
So can you visit him once a week or something?
I filled out a financial form for the court and dhhs. I just made the numbers come out basically as i wanted them. I can't imagine what that paperwork would do for them.
I wonder if they will keep Jim until the fine is "paid". Whatever that means.
John P. Arnold voted in 3rd place as Worst Judge in NH (http://www.courthouseforum.com///forums/worstrankings.php?year=2011&state=10948)
In searching Arnold's name on the web it seems Joseph Haas was also tried in front of Arnold (http://nh.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19910726_0007.NH.htm/qx)... the following passage, a quote from Joseph Haas, made me burst out laughing.
QuoteThe defendant testified that a point was reached when "I said, 'Yeah, enough is enough,' and I got the stun gun and I zapped him." Assistance was summoned, and eventually the defendant was subdued and placed in the police car. Officer Tarr suffered from injuries resulting from having been "zapped" in the abdomen.
Railroading people through their system is part of the job description...
Courts in N.H. struggle with load (http://articles.boston.com/2008-09-29/news/29275987_1_full-time-judges-active-judge-decisions)
QuoteMore people are being left in legal limbo because of increased caseloads, more complex cases, and shortages of judges and clerical staff at New Hampshire's Superior Courts.
Cheshire County has one full-time judge, Brian Tucker, and one part-time judge, John Arnold, who spends six months of the year in Sullivan County, where he is the only active judge.
"It is not an exaggeration to say that every day there are at least two stacks at least a foot tall of routine matters on Judge Tucker's desk," said Cheshire County Superior Court Clerk Barbara Hogan. "Some days there are four or five stacks, and he gets them done every day. He's working them before and after the court opens."
I have had judge tucker a couple of times ... maybe only once. He is a younger version of Arnold.
He could fill out the form with all the blanks saying 'None of your business'
If he decides to fill it out, it should be somewhat accurate and coincide with his income tax filing.
If it is just form that asks for your last months income and expenses then it's no biggy.
Caution in regards to perjury issues, folks.
aka self-incrimination?
That is why the 5th amendment was drawn in. But I do not think Jim chooses to use the bill of rights.
...unless he didn't earn enough to file.
Don't lose my point. He must be damn careful about signing anything.
Jim is very careful and he has plenty of time to think about things in there.
Since some of us do not file income tax forms (talk about 5th amendment and penalty of perjury issues), the system has trouble saying that your form is filled out inaccurately.
In my case with the other judge ... he just assumed I should make a certain amount and based his judgements on that. They might do that with Jim or grab the last paperwork they can find .... or they might not actually care about the $ amounts.
I could see Jim refusing to fill out the paperwork. I can see him filling it out. Either way it may or may not please the court, but I would think it was a good decision.
In Jim's honor, Evan and I moved the original (08) Burning Porcupine icon from the original bonfire location to the upper field (2nd bonfire area) where tonight's BP bonfire is.
Jim is the man.
How 'bout filling in the blanks with "I don't recall"?
It's worked for many politicians and there's no way to prove what you remember and what you don't.
Quote from: John on July 01, 2011, 10:19 PM NHFT
In Jim's honor, Evan and I moved the original (08) Burning Porcupine icon from the original bonfire location to the upper field (2nd bonfire area) where tonight's BP bonfire is.
Jim is the man.
Here's the Porcupine that Jim and Lauren provided. Sorry you couldn't be here to enjoy it.
Quote from: mauiguy on July 01, 2011, 10:31 PM NHFT
How 'bout filling in the blanks with "I don't recall"?
It's worked for many politicians and there's no way to prove what you remember and what you don't.
nice.
I would guess the nice warmth of the sun and the campfire are opposite of the cool concrete blocks and hard bed of Jim's room
grrrr is he still in there?
i guess so
Phone call from Jim today finds him in better spirits. He's getting aspirin for his aches, a shower, and cold cheesey something for food. I read him this forum. He's laughing and joking again. He said he filled out the financial form stating $26 in pockets, N/A for everything else.
He describes a lockdown today where inmates were locked in basketball court while guards searched garbage and dirty laundry to find... shampoo! He says the guards were quite panicy for a moment there.
He also halfway expects to be brought before a judge tomorrow, but you never know what those guys are gonna do.
Thanks to those going to visit Jim today. Sorry you couldn't see him.
excellent
does that mean he is in one of the 2 normal mens "blocks" ?
I guess he was answering the questions really well.
Thanks for the Jimbo report, Lauren. :)
Thanks Lauren.
Big HUG to you.
I just wish I could be outside his cell with a really big sword, but that is a Jim speciality. :)
Jim's still imprisoned?
Jim IS the man....seconded.
Jim says he's getting mail from Dave Ridley and Dale and I. He would like an analgesic for his back pain, the guards say he needs $5 to see the person with the drugs. He's glad Ademo's charges were dropped.
Saw Jim yesterday - he was in good spirits. He has access to books and is getting mail.
This week is the week we will find out if he is really in forever, as as of today or tomorrow he will have "served" enough time to pay off the $600+ fine. So if he's still in a cage on Thu or Fri, we know it is an indefinite contempt sentence as the robed man suggested.
According to Blackie "judge" Arnold lives out in the woods in Francistown, NH (http://forum.freekeene.com/index.php?topic=5136.msg53748#msg53748), which means a vigil may not be too effective in that 1. we probably won't be seen by anyone and 2. we may not even be seen by Arnold, if his house is set back from the road. So instead of that, anyone interested in having a rally in the parking lot of the court around the time when Arnold goes home?
Other ideas as to what can be done?
Everyone except Lauren is off their no trespass orders now, so a jail event may also be a possibility.
Unfortunately, Jim told us that from his cell he can only see the tips of some trees and the SouthWest sky, so if we appeared at the jail he may not know unless the guards inform him. :(
I will be in superior court today, and if I don't get arrested myself then I will pull Jim's case file and see what the robed man has put in it.
Does anyone know how to do a habeas corpus? Some have thrown that idea around. It didn't do anything last time for Sam, but who knows.
Jim called today to say he's not out of jail. He says he's not in pain so much anymore. He never gets to exercise and sits or paces most of the day. He says it's cold in his cell, he can breathe on the window and it stays fogged for 30 seconds. He got a book finally. He is getting mail-to-jail.com mail and likes to hear news from the outside. Dada has sent him some pages from a book he's writing.
UPDATE:
Spoke with Van Wickler today in person and he said he would remove Jim from segregation and put him in D block in population as soon as tomorrow. He will then be available for unlimited visitation. (8a-12p, 1p-3:30p, 6p-10p)
He says it's jail policy to put people in for contempt or nonpayment of fines into segregation for 14 days with the intention of putting the pressure on to get them to pay up or do what they've been ordered.
I learned that the judge cannot set the conditions of confinement, only how long someone is to be kept.
Van Wickler has the option to cut someone loose after 2/3s of a maximum sentence has been served. The only time he cannot exercise this option is when the imprisoned has been sentenced to a "mandatory" sentence, or in a contempt case like Jim's.
Van Wickler expressed interest in having greater leeway to release prisoners. He says that is something the legislature could change.
The most important thing is to squeeze money out of these poor guys.
Segregation is designed and intended to be a subtle (and thereby excepted) form of mental and emotional torture.
It is designed to get one to do whatever they are being tortured to do.
yep ... he must have been in a room like mine .... except maybe 2 doors south so he couldn't even see that alleyway you guys showed up in for me. I was so surprised when I saw you guys. :)
At least in d pod he can walk around a bit and get some sunshine in the afternoon.
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Habeas corpus will take a lot of typing and time to do court hearings and stuff. But without habeas, Johnson should have the ability to "serve out his fine" at say 30 dollars each day. do some research to see what they do with traffic ticket cases where the person "refuses" or cannot pay the fine. This is really often a judgment call by the judge who has to make some sort of determination of how willful the refusal to pay is. Contempt is only allowed in most cases as a punishment to compel behavior the court believes will occur. If the court does not believe the person will ever "comply" contempt cannot be used (need citation of case). Many states have a set dollars per day that you can "serve out your fine" and you can PAY the leftover at anytime and be released. SOME states also have community service at say 6$ OR SOMETHING per hour off the fine. Kind of a "rough" justice approach and is case by case. HOPE this helps some.
karenijohnson
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I will be in superior court today, and if I don't get arrested myself then I will pull Jim's case file and see what the robed man has put in it.
Does anyone know how to do a habeas corpus? Some have thrown that idea around. It didn't do anything last time for Sam, but who knows.
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Bastards.
Glad to hear they are ramping down the the Torture pressure. Golly gee Van Wickler is one step short of the Shrindler's list fellow, if only the legislation would allow him, he would torture Jim a little less.
Thanks for checking into the court stuph Ian.
Good to hear my mail to jail probably made it in to Jim.
Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on July 12, 2011, 03:42 PM NHFT
Spoke with Van Wickler today in person . . .
He says it's jail policy to put people in for contempt or nonpayment of fines into segregation for 14 days with the intention of putting the pressure on to get them to pay up or do what they've been ordered.
I learned that the judge cannot set the conditions of confinement, only how long someone is to be kept.
If the ACA had any brass, Van Wickler would lose accreditation for that.
Karen,
Sorry if I was not clear. According to the superintendent, Jim is not being held in lieu of paying a fine - they are holding him until he bows to the robed man and fills out a financial affidavit.
If Jim were being held to pay the fine, he'd be released today.
yea ... iff they were not so busy "doing my job" they could be like real live people
http://grassrootsheadlines.com/?p=4678#comment-1129 (http://grassrootsheadlines.com/?p=4678#comment-1129)
When I went to check the case file today I was told I couldn't because it was with the robed man because Jim has allegedly filled out the financial affidavit.
As of the close of court today, the robed man had not made a decision on it, which means the earliest will be Monday.
thanks for the info
I like the use of "allegedly" for all activities gov emp do
allegedly the jail is going to give me my wedding ring back
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 16, 2011, 06:24 AM NHFT
allegedly the jail is going to give me my wedding ring back
Van Wickler's crew are overt thieves, huh? Can't walk on Van Wickler's grass or you get locked up, but his boys can steal gold rings.
Torture, civil rights violations and theft... nice folks.
LEAP member... we should love him... I'm having difficulty dealing with my anger towards that jackass for hurting my friends.
PS
After venting I realize you might be talking bout my other buddies that work for the feds.
since when do they take wedding rings?
This was the Waco jail.
Update from Keene 411:
QuoteTrespassive 12 STILL listed as banned though the order has expired! I was just turned away from visiting Jim. -Dale
>:(
Today Jason, Hannah, Pete and Bob C visited Jim at the Chesire County jail. He's doing okay but is STILL being held. When he will be released is unknown, they haven't told him.
Please consider making a polite phone call to Chesire County Superintendent, Rick Van Winkler 603-903-1600, to remind him Jim is a peacful man and and shouldn't be held.
When you call, you could also find out about visitation hours, Jim would love to see some friendly faces.
Write to Jim at :
Jim Johnson
Chesire County DOC
Block D
825 Marlboro Road
Keene, NH
03431
I guess they need to hold him there in order to finish "correcting" him.
I think you are correct Russell.
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 17, 2011, 08:23 PM NHFT
Write to Jim at :
Jim Johnson
Chesire County DOC
Block D
825 Marlboro Road
Keene, NH
03431
This address is different than the one Tom Sawyer posted. Is it in Keene or Marlborough? I've been sending mail to the Marlborough address.
I would say that based on the zip code it is keene, but i don't remember
Jim was put in chains and brought to the judge this morning. The judge wants his money. Jim asked why he can't pay the fine through jail time. The judge says they don't do that here, that if Jim promised to pay he would let him out. Jim said the citizens of cheshire county will have to pay then. They brought him back to jail.
Here's an address that works:
Jim Johnson
Cheshire County D.O.C.
D block
825 Marlboro Road
Keene, NH 03431
Damn Johnson is "One bad mother... Shut your mouth."
That robed bully is a sissy in comparison.
I miss Jim, and had hoped to see him on the outside. But, I am impressed by his principled stand.
Quote from: TackleTheWorld on July 18, 2011, 09:26 AM NHFTThe judge says they don't do that here, that if Jim promised to pay he would let him out.
Intersting. Maybe the judge likes making up the rules as he goes along.
Go Jim!
Sorry to hear he didn't get out. Sorry he didn't get my letters :-[
good to hear that Jim doesn't want to fund their rotten system
bad to hear they still want to jail him
the system is the one making bad choices
corrected the address in my post.
Had copied and pasted from Mail to Jail.
Jim called, says he wants out. The ransom should be collected soon, maybe we can spring him tomorrow.
Can anyone who won't get arrested give him a ride from the jail? PM me if you can.
oh yea .... almost noone Jim knows is allowed to approach the ministry of love
If you are near Keene tomorrow morning 9am join me at the superior ct to see if I can get Jim out of jail. I plan to pay the ransom.
They're not making any money on this deal :)
Watch out! I think Jailbird Johnson is on the loose!
Glad your out ya freakishly large SOB. ;D
Jim is out ? Good news.
A big thank you to everyone who supported me through this adventure; to everyone who came to my trials, wrote me letters, donated moneys, and visited me in jail, thank you again. I know their where many more people who's thoughts were with me as well, you are all great friends.
I would especially like to thank Ian for everything he has done; he has been there every step of the way.
Ian needs a Shire Character designation
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 21, 2011, 03:20 AM NHFT
Ian needs a Shire Character designation
He wore a bitching pimp outfit at PorcFest, and I only have the image in my mind. ;D
I am glad you are out of that cage.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 21, 2011, 08:03 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 21, 2011, 03:20 AM NHFT
Ian needs a Shire Character designation
He wore a bitching pimp outfit at PorcFest, and I only have the image in my mind. ;D
Shire Pimp? Liberty's Pimp?
That's pimp daddy to you if'n you don't want the hand. =P
Welcome out Jim. Thanks for standing up to the thugs.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 16, 2011, 07:25 AM NHFT
LEAP member... we should love him... I'm having difficulty dealing with my anger towards that jackass for hurting my friends.
Feeling much the same, I have to admit, a little of that anger goes also to victims willfully gullible enough to fall for his "good cop" routine.
the gullible don't live off the taxpayers
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on July 27, 2011, 01:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 16, 2011, 07:25 AM NHFT
LEAP member... we should love him... I'm having difficulty dealing with my anger towards that jackass for hurting my friends.
Feeling much the same, I have to admit, a little of that anger goes also to victims willfully gullible enough to fall for his "good cop" routine.
I understand the anger. However I think it is always a good thing to recognize when one of "them" has a flash of conscience. We don't all arrive at the same place at the same time. Some of us are more ahem "enlightened". I try to encourage those Police, guards etc. that have glimpsed the truth to go further. It is in my Ambassador contract with the sovereigns of Free Grafton. ;D
That's a very enlightened view.
Bob spent time in the monastery where he could contemplate these matters.
As to Van Wickler, he is a glad-handing, two faced, double dipping, obstructor of justice... besides the whole "Concentration Camp Personnel for the Better Treatment of Jews" member. All silliness aside, he puts on a nice act, but behind the act... is the true man. My first encounter with him he went from sickeningly sweet to threatening in a moment. I would not trust him at all.
he was one of the guys i would not speak to in the jail .... hate to encourage him :)
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on July 27, 2011, 01:45 PM NHFT..., I have to admit, a little of that anger goes also to victims willfully gullible enough to fall for his "good cop" routine.
Anger at the victims? Perhaps you have too much anger if you're just spreading it around like that.
Quote from: John on July 30, 2011, 08:14 PM NHFT
Quote from: Sam A. Robrin on July 27, 2011, 01:45 PM NHFT..., I have to admit, a little of that anger goes also to victims willfully gullible enough to fall for his "good cop" routine.
Anger at the victims? Perhaps you have too much anger if you're just spreading it around like that.
Anger at their naivete and wishful thinking, which abets the evil, and allows it to go on creating more victims. If you can't see the harm their delusions allow to proliferate, perhaps you don't have enough anger.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 30, 2011, 03:20 PM NHFT
he was one of the guys i would not speak to in the jail .... hate to encourage him :)
I agree that he is participating in something he knows is wrong. I would hate NOT to encourage him to go further though.
...maybe I'm delusional in thinking that he WILL or MIGHT go further though... ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on July 30, 2011, 01:20 PM NHFT
Bob spent time in the monastery where he could contemplate these matters.
As to Van Wickler, he is a glad-handing, two faced, double dipping, obstructor of justice... besides the whole "Concentration Camp Personnel for the Better Treatment of Jews" member. All silliness aside, he puts on a nice act, but behind the act... is the true man. My first encounter with him he went from sickeningly sweet to threatening in a moment. I would not trust him at all.
ahh yes...the monastery of contemplation...there were false idols I was forced to worship there and even now I must curtsy before them to gain relief or feel their controlling forces. But remember when I curtsy, my fingers are crossed behind my back...so it doesn't count ! ;D
You tell it like it is and I have no doubt your experience was depicted accurately.
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 31, 2011, 10:40 AM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 30, 2011, 03:20 PM NHFT
he was one of the guys i would not speak to in the jail .... hate to encourage him :)
I agree that he is participating in something he knows is wrong. I would hate NOT to encourage him to go further though.
...maybe I'm delusional in thinking that he WILL or MIGHT go further though... ;D
I agree. I see no reason why down the road he won't get better. But last time I was in, it seemed right to not talk to him. That was not true of most of the guards.
I try to follow Christ's example. He blasted some people, was silent in front of others, debated others with riddles and jokes, and gave good news to most of the rest. :)
Smarmy politicians seem to deserve ridicule or frowns.
Free Keene TV's interview of Jim.
Free Keene TV - Episode 6 - August 15th, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eTAU9vtA20#)
Shire Community Redresses Grievances Against John P. Arnold (http://fr33agents.com/shire-community-redresses-grievances-against-john-p-arnold/)
QuoteOn Tuesday, February 21st at the New Hampshire State House, members of the legislative branch will hold hearings about Judge John P. Arnold, a member of the State's judicial branch. David Vandenberg has successfully gotten the grievance panel to schedule a hearing regarding the conduct of John P. Arnold, a senior Judge at the Cheshire County Superior Court.
Post by Jason Talley over on
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Cool!
all of us that have received the shaft from Arnold could show up and put in 1 minute of testimony .... and a judge won't tell us to take a seat or anything :)