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I like the irony of the "blow shit up" and get a Nobel Peace prize reference. Maybe it IS appropriate though, wasn't Nobel one of the guys that "invented" dynamite or am I just confusing him with Al Gore ?
Quote from: Free libertarian on February 01, 2012, 12:51 PM NHFT
I like the irony of the "blow shit up" and get a Nobel Peace prize reference. Maybe it IS appropriate though, wasn't Nobel one of the guys that "invented" dynamite or am I just confusing him with Al Gore ?
Yes, Alfred Nobel invented dynamite. He also owned Bofors, the cannon manufacturer.
The Peace Prize is frequently awarded to warmongers. That's because the main criterion isn't peace, but "fostering international relationships". Nations seem to form their strongest alliances when joining together to wage war.
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obama always looks photoshopped with that mutant head
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Obama walking on the Constitution. Off to the right, out of sight, are the majority of ex presidents who have just taken their turn.
well putting people in triple bunks is just the price we have to pay for democracy .... it's the only system we have
I love all of these cartoons.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 04, 2012, 07:08 AM NHFT
Obama walking on the Constitution. Off to the right, out of sight, are the majority of ex presidents who have just taken their turn.
He put Lincoln on the wrong side.
I didn't notice. His other face must be out of the picture.
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I was gonna do this , but when I went looking for the images, someone had beaten me to it!
This is a ridiculously large gun
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 09, 2012, 10:24 PM NHFT
This is a ridiculously large gun
It's a ridiculously ugly gun... a Chiappa Rhino, 6" .357. Interesting design that fires from the bottom of the cylinder instead of the top, to lower the recoil vector.
Edit: I take that back. It's a Mateba Autorevolver, a semi-auto revolver. It also fires from the bottom of the cylinder, then the entire barrel/cylinder assembly recoils to reset the hammer and rotate the cylinder.
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I keep wondering what step the US government is on with Iran. Haven't they been pulling this stuff there for 50 years or so?
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I keep wondering what step the US government is on with Iran. Haven't they been pulling this stuff there for 50 years or so?
Wikipedia:
In 1953 US President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The operation was successful, and Mosaddegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. The coup was the first time the US had openly overthrown an elected, civilian government.
I guess they got to work right after Korea
The one with Bugs and Sam was posted by: Leroy Arbuckle Tinkletweet
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so that's what you mom looked like llloyd or is that solar powered bob's mom?
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http://www.recyclart.org/2011/01/i-beamdesign-pallet-house/ (http://www.recyclart.org/2011/01/i-beamdesign-pallet-house/)
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Believes that pot users are evil yet has no problem leaving bastard children in his wake.
Stormtroopin'
Ted Nugent
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In the early morning hours there's a din in the air;
mayhem's on the loose.
Stormtroopers comin', and you better be prepared.
Got no time to choose.
Get ready. Stormtroopers comin'.
Comin' up that street, jackboots steppin' high.
Got to make a stand.
Looking in your windows and listen to your phone.
Keep a gun in your hand.
Although the irony... he supports Storm Troopers attacking potheads.
Claims he had no idea that Journey to the Center of the Mind, which he co-wrote while in The Amboy Dukes, was about drug usage. ;D ;D ;D
Treated Derek St. Holmes, the lead vocalist of the band Ted Nugent, really poorly to the point most people thought Ted (who has a pretty crappy voice) was the voice on the hit songs.
Met him in person, at the Republican National Convention in Philly, and can confirm he is an asshole. Good guitar player, but egomaniacal fascist apologist.
I can't believe they found weapons.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 06, 2012, 06:56 PM NHFT
I can't believe they found weapons.
Cops raided a doughnut shop and found doughnuts, but the owner was not charged because the cops "misplaced" the evidence.
The owner quoted the cops as saying, "Bag it all. It's all evidence.", and then, "Oooooh, jelly filled."
Jim just kills me.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZNj7u.jpg)
An original discoverer of freedom!:)
In a group of mine, some unknown dimwit in a mocking tone just asked, "RON PAUL...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOW WELL DID HE DO?"
So I replied:
Well enough to show that the vast majority of Americans are mindless automatons and little trained monkeys who have never had an original thought in their entire lives. Well enough to show that Americans really are hellbent on taking the hard way, that they are content to lick the hands that feed them and are happy to accept the crumbs off the floor from their master's table, living on their knees and faithfully taking their Prozac as they continually remind themselves that "everything is okay" since Dancing with the Stars is about to start. Well enough to show that they will obediently support their overlords because the ideas of liberty and the prospects of freedom are just too frighting of concepts for indoctrinated lap dogs who couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper sack. Well enough to show that their dead eyes and glazed looks give them away daily on the train into work and in the grocery store, shuffling like cattle, to and fro, who will do as their told to avoid the prod. Well enough to make all this so glaringly apparent that they are too timid and embarrassed to ever say anything against the herd when it's just much, much easier to quietly assimilate into it. So overall, I'd say he did really well.
I like a good rant and this here J BUZZ WEBB rant was worth sharing.
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I like the Gandhi quote.
We make choices all the time about how we interact with others. Why give in to the thugs?
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Thanks I'm going to share the 2012 Terrorist ID Chart... cool on it having the Zappa quote.
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all good ones lloyd
that reminds me to eat more beef and maybe apples
does this mean that pigeons are the top of the food chain?
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I can discern no reason for the up-side-down posting of boat lanterns.
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I can discern no reason for the up-side-down posting of boat lanterns.
It's clearly a metaphor... or maybe I mean simile... oh I know it's a Zeitgeist... ;D
It's just crazy what people will post :P
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 18, 2012, 10:56 AM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on March 18, 2012, 10:40 AM NHFT
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I can discern no reason for the up-side-down posting of boat lanterns.
It's clearly a metaphor... or maybe I mean simile... oh I know it's a Zeitgeist... ;D
What it is is just plain wrong what ever it is.
Great, and now there is a reference to the 'Constitution' which puts this thread clearly in 'Tinfoil Nuts-ville'.
What it is is just plain wrong what ever it is.
Great, and now there is a reference to the 'Constitution' which puts this thread clearly in 'Tinfoil Nuts-ville'.
...This would never happen in "Free Tinfoil Nuts-ville" . Nothing is wrong there, everything there is right.
That should go with out saying.
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so has diebold revealed who is ruling over us again next year?
Same bureaucracy as before.
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This one got the (former) President's laugh. ;D
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The moose with the biggest antlers gets to drive.
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Quote from: Jim Johnson on March 28, 2012, 04:16 PM NHFT
The moose with the biggest antlers gets to drive.
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a coworker asked 2 of us if we had checked out our latest social security statement
the other guy said he just throws them away .... and I started laughing at the mere thought of someone 40 years old planning on some ss money.
maybe i should apply for some obama money
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so that is why gas used to be 30 cents cheaper in Wyoming than California
http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2011/04/27/gasoline-taxes-vs-exxon-profit-per-gallon/
I wonder what the fed taxes are
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 03, 2012, 09:11 AM NHFT
I wonder what the fed taxes are
18.4 cents per gallon on gasoline, 24.4 cents for diesel
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Kat met a former Iraqi who said lots of people are scared of him
People in the US are afraid of these guys, too.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 07, 2012, 03:43 PM NHFT
People in the US are afraid of these guys, too.
Anyone with a beard and a towel on his head.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 07, 2012, 03:43 PM NHFT
People in the US are afraid of these guys, too.
And Sikhs are probably the most "American" of any immigrant religious group: fiercely independent, family oriented, and NAP to the core: their religion requires them to carry a blade, but forbids them to draw it from the scabbard unless blood must be shed in defense of self, family, or others. If they draw a blade when it wasn't required, they draw blood from themselves before returning it to the scabbard.
not exactly the personality type of my ancestors when they came to this continent, but they don't seem to hurt anybody :)
Quote from: KBCraig on April 08, 2012, 03:38 AM NHFTAnd Sikhs are probably the most "American" of any immigrant religious group: fiercely independent, family oriented, and NAP to the core: their religion requires them to carry a blade, but forbids them to draw it from the scabbard unless blood must be shed in defense of self, family, or others.
Sikhism is one of the most consistently-libertarian of all religions. That is, while members of Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, et cetera, can span the range from totalitarian to anarchist, any random Sikh picked out of a crowd is more likely to embrace liberty than a random Christian, Muslim, Jew, or whatnot; it's a more-recent religion, and has not deviated as much from its original teachings as have others.
Quote from: KBCraig on April 08, 2012, 03:38 AM NHFTIf they draw a blade when it wasn't required, they draw blood from themselves before returning it to the scabbard.
Yeah. Never ask a Sikh if you can check out his knife (or sword, but in the US, the kirpan is usually a knife). Serious bad manners...
There have been a number of court cases in which Sikhs were able to win some level of protection for the wearing of kirpans in jurisdictions (eg, NYC) which ban knives.
The chakram, throwing rings are cool. We watched the show Weapon Masters that covered them.
(http://www.sikhnet.com/files/news/2011/11-November/sikh_warrior.gif)
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everything here is growing like crazy with all the rain .... except the fields that have been sprayed with roundup :(
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 10, 2012, 01:44 PM NHFT
everything here is growing like crazy with all the rain .... except the fields that have been sprayed with roundup :(
I've only watched the first part of this BBC program and I know it is in England, but I suspect the problem is in this hemisphere, too. This is important stuff.
http://www.sarahraven.com/beesbutterfliesblooms
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Lauren was given a pet rock during the 'pet rock era', but she released it into the wild. It is hard to say what happened to it after it was released. It may have grown into a nice sized stone, found another stone, and have a large gravel patch by now.
"Pet rocks seek out there former owners and always live near by them." Schnergenburger 16.24
I kept trying to save up for one, but never put enough together to order it. Probably bought Pot.
Pot is better than having a rock stalk you the rest of your life.
I remember a girl in school was telling a story about a pet rock and how its owner had taught it to do tricks and she had watched it all. I think she actually had some people going.
Apparently, she bought Acid with her 'rock' money.
I think I saw that TSA scene at an airport once.
I was limited to my laptop for the last week which hid everything I saved where I couldn't find the damn things to upload here. I resuming with one that had me LAMO....but, it's still there.
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I don't think we can discuss the weather without their permission.
by Bill Walker
Previously by Bill Walker: Stopping the Next Hitler
Monarchy is an endangered species. Once the only form of government, it is now gone except in a few countries where it is kept alive for sentimental reasons with US mercenaries and drones (e.g. Kuwait and Saudi Arabia). Republican government is also extinct for all practical purposes, being confined to Switzerland's cantons and a few micronations. The most common form of government today is the Kleptocracy – rule by those who control the means of currency creation.
The US is a Kleptocracy, and has been since before World War One. Who cares who their Congressman is, or which party controls the Presidency? Most people can't even name their Federal Senators or representative, let alone the state-level officeholders. But everyone knows Ben Bernanke's name, because he's the guy who MCs the most popular game show: Who Gets to be a Billionaire?
Once the US was a place where people became wealthy by producing a new and better product or service. Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Henry Ford, all created new wealth and made others better off in the process. Even after the Kleptocracy was founded, some entrepreneurs managed to continue the tradition of "insanely great products": Wozniak, Jobs, Bezos, and the other computer whiz kids.
In the 21st century, starting a business in the United States is a loser's game. First a corporation must risk its capital with no guarantee against loss. If the business survives and manages to create something more valuable than the resources it consumed to make it, then most of the gains are taken by government. A corporation pays 35% in Federal tax, then pays state income tax. Then the investors pay 15% income taxes on their dividends, and capital gains taxes on the nominal "increase" in value of their shares... not adjusted for inflation. And if the investors actually try to USE "their" money inside the US, they are then taxed again with sales, property, and/or excise taxes. Correcting for the possibility of investment losses, the investor gets far less than half of the value that she created with her investment.
The Obama Administration is trying to increase the double taxation by taxing dividends at the full (39%) rate of ordinary income. (By comparison, "communist" China only taxes corporate income at 25% and dividends at 10%). This of course, is only for those losers like you and I, those not a member of the Kleptocrat's Club.
For members of the Club, life is a continuous success story. It doesn't matter whether your products are terrible (GM) or even imaginary (Goldman Sachs). All that matters is the continuing flow of freshly printed money into your business. It's like being a medieval noble; you can do no wrong. The courts will always find in your favor, you are never subject to the humiliations of peasants (airport security, police raids, etc.) All that you need is a little modification of language: "counterfeiting" becomes "quantitative easing", "theft" becomes "stimulus", and so on. After enough repetition, the peasants will believe that your wealth causes the Sun to rise in the morning, and that they must thank you for allowing them to pay for your palaces and the subsidies for your unprofitable businesses.
So the goal of modern social climbers is to become part of the Club. If you can't arrange to be born into the families that control access to the national Club, you can still have a consolation prize: you can start a state-level business subsidy office. There are hundreds of these humble little state-level kleptocrat clubs around the US. Some are called "economic development zones", some are called by various department names. Today we'll take a quick look at the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority.
Kleptocracy in the "Live Free or Die" State
The NH BFA has the distinction of being more secret than the NSA. There isn't even a Wikipedia article on the Business Finance Authority. Nor are any of its financial statements online. I had to make a 91-A request to obtain its annual reports to the governor. As the state refuses to put the annual reports online, the NH Liberty Alliance will soon have them on its website, in our continuing struggle for transparency.
So there won't be any links in this article. If you want to check my figures, just email the director, good old Jack Donovan jackd@nhbfa.com. If that doesn't work, go over and pound on the door at 2 Pillsbury Street Suite 201 Concord, NH 03301. (603) 415-0190. The staff loves to hear from the ordinary people that pay their salaries.
According to the first page of the 2011 Annual Report, the BFA has transferred over 1.4 billion dollars from we lazy, undeserving taxpayers (and all holders of dollar balances) to those who truly earned the money (by filling out BFA forms). The BFA states that it has "helped" 4,375 businesses since 1992. I'm sure that is true. Unfortunately, the report fails to mention that the BFA HARMED all the other businesses and workers in the state, by granting and/or diverting money to the politically favored.
Lucky Winners:
Anheuser-Busch, 12 million dollars, in 2011. Anheuser-Busch is actually owned by InBev, a Belgian-Brazilian beer conglomerate which bought the Clydesdales for $52 billion in 2008. Obviously, this is a company which needs to be subsidized by NH state government. Otherwise Granite Staters might have to drink Sam Adams or some local microbrew that actually tastes like something.
Lonza, the Swiss biotech company, $35 million in 2011, $25 million in 2006, $30 million in 2003.
Waste Management, the garbage giant: $20 million in 2001, 20 in 2002, 15 more in 2004.
Sig Arms, makers of fine pistols (except for early model P238s), got $1.75 million in 2003.
But the BFA doesn't just help big business. It also helps upper-crust schools and government media outlets.
Kimball Union, a private school that charges over $46,000 per year per student, got over a million in 2001. This is a critically important use for money that might otherwise be wasted on less important children in the other private schools around the state, most of whom charge less than 12K per year.
Seacoast United Soccer got 3.7 million.
NH "Public" Radio got $6 million dollars in 2008 to help fund its mission to elect more Democrats in New Hampshire.
And speaking of Democrats, the BFA bought some Pennsylvania company a nice NH newspaper, the Claremont Eagle Times. It was reported at the time as costing only $187,000, but the annual report (which, remember, is not online) shows it as 250K. The town of Claremont voted for Ron Paul in the NH primary, but you'd be hard pressed to find any signs of Ron Paul supporters in the Eagle Times.
Reverse Robin Hoods Gone Wild
So "business" has become a euphemism for robbery, as are the words "bond" and "loan guarantee". The Business Finance Authority doesn't show up as a line item on the NH state budget. It does give out some direct freebies, like weatherization grants. But mostly it works in the shadows, by "guaranteeing" bonds, and/or granting the right to certain corporations to issue tax-exempt bonds. Being tax-exempt "lowers the cost of financing", the BFA helpfully explains in its reports (apparently the wealthy recipients would not be clear on this otherwise). Overall, so far the BFA gave out $399 million in loan guarantees, and $1.008 billion dollars in tax-exempt or other subsidized bonds.
The BFA has long lists of "impacts"; numbers of jobs created, number of jobs preserved, how many "Local Development Organization Loan Pools" they funded. Mr. Donovan, the director, was very concerned that I might ask him for the figures on the "loan loss rate". He needn't have worried. The "loss rate" on any government program to steal from one business to give to another is always 100%. Once business becomes robbery, everything is lost: honor, trust, your soul, etc.
New Hampshire has fewer business subsidies than most states. There are hundreds of euphemistically named subsidy organizations, large and small, around the US. Taken together, they have taken "business" more than halfway from being the engine of human life to just another parasitic scam.
Am I saying that businesses shouldn't take subsidy money? No. Once your opponent picks up a knife, the game of chess is over and you have to play by knife-fight rules too. I'm saying that all our political efforts have to go into exposing, then eliminating all subsidy programs and prosecuting their perpetrators. Supporting business subsidies as policy doesn't make you a "good Republican"; it makes you a thief.
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http://www.pledgebank.com/fspadminfund
'I will donate $10 every month for Chris L. (Lopez)to manage the FSP administration' - PledgeBank
www.pledgebank.com
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very cool stuph lloyd
I like any picture that makes Obama look funny. In my limited experience gay guys usually wear suits that actually fit them. Obama usually looks like he is on a bad rental. Maybe it is the flack jacket to protect him from all of the people he has brought peace and prosperity to.
The Chris Lopez idea is genius.
the Cali poster is very funny.
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great ones lloyd
support the troops -- vote ron paul
Rose Wilder Lane was the original smart hot libertarian chick.
did you guys date?
Me, neither
Well before my time.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on May 28, 2012, 11:12 PM NHFT
Me, neither
She was too young for Lloyd.
True, but I used to run up behind her blind aunt and snap her corset.
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Carla Gericke
Sent via email to: Sovereign Curtis,
This has been an incredibly hard decision to make, but, in the long run, it is the best one for the success of the FSP and our goals in New Hampshire.
I am severing all further association with you, and recommend others do so as well.
You are hereby requested not to attend Porcfest 2012. Any money you've spent towards attending will be returned to you. If you choose to not honor this request, you will be escorted from the premises.
I will be posting this notice on related FSP and Porcfest Facebook pages. I wish you well in your future endeavors. I sincerely hope your concept of the roast finds traction outside the state.
Carla
(I will post this on all organizational pages in the morning, but want to go public now, before the shitstorm that is Curtis unleashes itself on me and Facebook and the FSP.
Quote from: Pat K on June 11, 2012, 12:50 AM NHFT
Carla Gericke
. . . the shitstorm that is Curtis . . .
An apt description.
>Kevin:?
Never mind
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Mark Edge submitted the Comma, one with the line: "Use your commas, kids, it could save your life"
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Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on June 11, 2012, 06:29 AM NHFT
>Kevin:?
When so much drama follows one person wherever they go, they might just be the common denominator.
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My Grandfather, Gr- grandfather and Gr-Gr-Gr grandfather worked for this company.
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Some people here needed to see this poor soul:
sad but true in Portland
can you imagine trying to build that house?
You'd have plenty of time to enjoy the view while you are waiting for materials.
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Hey wolves... pigs taste better than sheep.
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"The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can't get and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods."
~H.L. Mencken
"I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces."
~Étienne de la Boétie
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I am afraid the healthcare lien on my next federal tax refund will have to wait behind the TSA, the state of California and a few others :)
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For camping or late nights at the beach? Leave 1/4 of Mountain dew in bottle (just dont drink it all), add a tiny bit of baking soda and 3 caps of peroxide. Put the lid on and shake - walla! Homemade glow stick
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Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on August 03, 2012, 07:20 AM NHFT
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(http://i.imgur.com/LHty6.jpg)
Wow, this one sure is clever. *ahem*
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we see 10 Ron Paul signs or bumper stickers to the other guys 1
The other guys have 27/7 news networks talking them up.
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In the event you missed mine...
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Is that you Lloyd "Bob"?
(http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=23751.0;attach=8365;image)
WTF!! That is me next to Jazzy, my sister Beverly behind the dog, the Gubbins sisters and a kid named Sammy. Where the Hell did you get that?
I can tell by the file name that it's in my documents, but I don't remember sharing it.
You attached it to this post.
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=23751.msg344392#msg344392
Dang, we were all cute once.
I've got to start wearing my glasses:) not gang1, but gandl, girls and lead.
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It's surreal to read these now. I'm going to miss these updates from Lloyd.
Good to see he got in a good "Fuck the Police" in his last days.
Quote from: dalebert on August 16, 2012, 12:46 AM NHFT
It's surreal to read these now. I'm going to miss these updates from Lloyd.
And he managed to recently post by accident some ancient personal history:
lloydsgang1.jpg
I recognized him and his 2 sisters.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 16, 2012, 12:19 PM NHFT
I recognized him and his 2 sisters.
Close. Two sisters; only one is his.
"WTF!! That is me next to Jazzy, my sister Beverly behind the dog, the Gubbins sisters and a kid named Sammy." -- LoydBob
yea I thought the girl in the top left was his sister too :)
If you get a chance to go to a service in Conn you will like her. She is a computer geek at a big company.
In memory of Lloyd's fine work lifting things from fedbook, I offer this.
I don't have a facetube account but someone who does posted this at northeastshooters.com
Quote from: jerry on August 17, 2012, 08:00 PM NHFT
In memory of Lloyd's fine work lifting things from fedbook, I offer this.
I don't have a facetube account but someone who does posted this at northeastshooters.com
I might have known you were on NES. :)
I've occasionally mentioned your Appleseed shoots over there, when different threads on different forums coincide.
I miss Lloyd and the stuff he used to post in this thread. So here are a couple of things I lifted from the Fed Book:
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/295576_10152918420930515_306771713_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/970219_343670539091935_1121781261_n.png
:)
I think of the Lloydster often.
I was thinking of our usual morning back and forth when I got up today.
Lloyd knocks on door= You gonna get up today?
Pat=Your up cause old guys get up early, why do I have to get up?
Lloyd=Coffee's made and I'll make breakfast soon.
Pat=Good Fucking points , I am getting up now.
Ha :-)