I've gone back and forth wondering whether to leave this alone or not...
I'll qualify what I am about to say first off by saying that I believe that more than one tactic or approach is likely the path to expanding our freedoms. I mean some folks are trying to work through the political process, some are committing acts of civil disobedience, some are just living as free as they can and ignoring the gooberment...
For the benefit of others in the freedom movement I post this warning or advisory...
Brad Jardis has now on two occasions announced he has "reported" to the US Attorney for NH, NH Attorney General (and others in the law enforcement hierarchy) about online activities.
In the first example a "threat" was posted on one of Ridley's YouTube videos regarding the ongoing attempt to bring to "justice" Burke for lying and getting Ademo arrested. Burke claimed that Ademo threatened him, when in fact he merely asked him questions on camera.
Violence Is Always Unacceptable (http://freekeene.com/2012/02/20/violence-is-always-unacceptable/)
Threatening Violence Against Public Officials Is Wrong (http://freekeene.com/2012/02/21/threatening-violence-against-public-officials-is-wrong/)
Jardis himself declares that he didn't feel there was any real threat of violence towards Burke, but he filed "reports" anyway.
In the second example he is filing a "report" because some group named Antisec posted publicly available information of Keene politicians who went against the public will and voted to accept the Homeland Security grant for a "Bearcat" armored vehicle.
Public Officials "DOXed" – Anonymous Lawyers Wanting to Help Jason Talley (http://freekeene.com/2012/03/03/public-officials-doxed-anonymous-lawyers-wanting-to-help-jason-talley/)
The rest of the community can decide how they feel about Brad's "reporting" to the law enforcement hierarchy. As for me and mine I will not be dealing with Brad in the future.
You should talk to Brad. He is playing a game of chess, not checkers.
Quote from: Sovereign Curtis on March 04, 2012, 10:26 AM NHFT
You should talk to Brad. He is playing a game of chess, not checkers.
It's funny you should say that, because chess is all about throwing your fellow team members under the bus.
I think that info spread like this is very helpful. When the pressure comes it is interesting to see where people run. I have found the NH government and particularly anything associated with the DA's office to the be the most violent sector of society.
I don't know most of the current keeniacs who are bothering the judges in unfree Keene, but I can't imagine them being anywhere near as violent in word or in deed as the judges. I have seen arnold and burke send people to jail and force money from them at gunpoint. I have also watched in mirth when keeniac accusers vdo record cops that have caged me and made me feel very uncomfortable. Maybe if these guys want the public to like them, they should work for a less violent organization.
I have enjoyed hearing Jardis annoying government workers while trying to defend Talley against crazy charges. I don't really know any details. I just like it when Jason bumps into the system.
"In no way should the term 'bump' be construed as an act of aggression" legal disclaimer from the Talley legal team of ex-cops, potheads, and keeniacs. :)
I don't think the appropriate way to defeat the system is playing a chess game .... unless you are willing to play the part of a pawn for the good guys.
Be wary when you play chess that powerful people are not using you as a piece.
I believe Brad's reports consisted of "These people said these things, but they are no associated with us in any way."
Given the scrutiny being given the movement by the government, it's almost certain they already knew about both things before they were even reported. Brad didn't snitch off someone's private activity; he publicly disavowed himself and Jason from someone else's public statements.
He's taking on a sitting judge who has already made a provably false claim of being threatened by Adam. Preempting any government claim that they're engaged in violence or threats is important to the case.
I recall plenty of people being publicly disavowed and shunned around here over making threats during the Brown standoff.
Quote from: KBCraig on March 04, 2012, 07:00 PM NHFT
I recall plenty of people being publicly disavowed and shunned around here over making threats during the Brown standoff.
I never touched the Brown situation because I knew the forces and risks at work... people die, serve decades in prison, lives destroyed... I didn't encourage or participate.
As to threats, I had threats made to me... ;D and I don't recall anyone sending off correspondence to everyone in the legal chain of command. We took care of it.
Stupid trolling on any random web page is Brad's jurisdiction?
"Hey just in case you missed some random trolls comment, here."
Creating data points all the way up... "Incidents" that didn't exist until "documented" and forwarded to the proper authorities.
I was hopeful for the "legal" challenges and other methods to be tried. I appreciate Brad's efforts... but, purposefully pointing the machine at people is reckless at best.
Hey ya jar head you know my threats to belly bop
ya ain't real. Get over it. ;D
Quote from: Pat K on March 04, 2012, 11:01 PM NHFT
Hey ya jar head you know my threats to belly bop
ya ain't real. Get over it. ;D
Not to worry there is a self appointed moderator of these activities. While we speak he may or may not need to distance himself and "build his case", got to break some eggs to make an omelet ya know.
;D
Hey Pat :)
I agree with you Roger. Reporting online troll activities to government authoritahhhs? We would have been very busy around here over the years.
Speaking of Ed Brown .... he put out threats half the days and picnicked with peacenics the other half. No way you could report all of his idle threats to federal black dress wearing judges. (Not that there is anything wrong with that)
I am also distancing myself from any statements made against Maine Mountain Folk or men who wear green felt hats and tights. I do not want to feel the wrath of the president or his armed guard.
I do think it is appropriate to bow stand up, bow down and kiss the ring of "the court" ..... hey it's just playing the game.
;D 8)
Ed started corresponding with some of the same folks and we know how well that all turned out.
Waving a gun around might be considered less dangerous than "reporting" someone to the US Attorney. LulzSec leader helps bust the hacking group, says report (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57391378-501465/lulzsec-leader-helps-bust-the-hacking-group/) most recent example of Fed infiltration of a group... will Brad be responsible for the same thing happening to the AntiSec people? Will he feel remorse for the harm that may come about?
the more I think about this the funnier or crazier it gets
he reported an anonymous comment on a youtube video .... not his video .... Ridley's
Dave feeds and loves his trolls .... they say all kinds of crazy stuff.
Seriously. Raise your hand if you've attempted to privately communicate with Brad on this subject...
[hand raised]
What he reported was Constitutionally protected free speech. The speaker is in no danger. But had he not said anything the opposition controlled media could have easily spun it to appear as though someone affiliated with Bradley had threatened a sitting judge. Its chess, as in thinking many moves ahead.
I can't get passed, 'He reported Constitutionally protected free speech'.
If he wanted to disavow a statement, that he didn't agree with, he could have posted a denial next to that statement; or wrote some sort of scathing condemnation and published it as a letter to the editor.
He still has the mind set of a government toady and a belief that it is an innocent inconsequential thing to point the power of the state at someone.
Shame on you for defending that.
Quote from: Sovereign Curtis on March 07, 2012, 09:02 AM NHFT
What he reported was Constitutionally protected free speech.
I laughed when I thought this was a headline from "The Onion". Now I just find it to be a morally reprehensible excuse for tattle-tale-like behavior. I never cared for tattle-tales on the playground. Still don't.
Quote from: Sovereign Curtis on March 07, 2012, 09:02 AM NHFTThe speaker is in no danger.
But when you play chess with an adversary known to lie and cheat, you can't really anticipate what moves they will make. The phrase "unintended consequences" comes to mind.
Gee us poor rubes could never figure out such advanced strategies...
I recognized right away why he did what he did. I just have never known anyone associated with this movement to do such a thing. When there was pretty much just the sound of crickets from his enablers I mean associates within the movement, I felt it was time to voice my opposition.
Thank goodness Brad had one semi-anonymous troll comment to offer in sacrifice. The truth is that he created an incident by reporting the one needle in the haystack to the authorities. This supports Burkes claim that he is in physical danger... which I'm guessing is his way to try and muddy the waters to obscure the crime he committed.
I'm glad to see that Curtis has picked up the important talking points to spin this in the positive light. I'm here to voice the potential negative side and to challenge the morality of his decision. He had other choices as Jim has pointed to... instead he went to the last option on the list. Why is open for speculation.
So all this ignores his "reporting" of the posting of the public info on politicians. Which has happened on more than one occasion in the past by some of the same people that he has as current supporters. Let's ask some of them if they support Brad's first line of action in that matter. As Jim said, posting a critical blog or letter to the editor saying he was strongly opposed would have been more than sufficient.
I call into question Brad's judgement... Not the least of which is his disregard or miscomprehension of how such actions would likely be viewed by us.
In the US Attorney's office...
"Well sir we are finished stealing the nurse's home and selling it back to her. The next item to discuss is this heartfelt letter from a former police officer who was driven off the force for his support of LEAP. Mr. Jardis wants us to know that he is not a complete whacked out anti-government nutter, he even gave us some leads we can put into the DHS database."
"Well in that case let's side with him against all those judges!" ;D
You're right, of course, Tom. I didn't disagree strongly enough. All I said in my comment was I don't know if I would have reacted as Brad did. I felt the need to clarify that. David posted "I agree with Dale and Brad" and that rubbed me the wrong way as if I was taking Brad's side. I've left a new comment.
:) 8)
I am always happy to sit down with anyone to discuss why I took the actions I did. :)
Or, just call me 603-205-6003 :icon_pirat:
My question is what might folks expect from you in your future patrolling and reporting activities?
I qualify all this by saying, I defended you to people here who were concerned you were formerly a cop.
I accepted as perhaps an overstep or an ill-considered attempt to distance yourself in your first report filing decision... the second announced reporting and it seems it's becoming your way of doing business.
You don't understand this is counter to what many people are comfortable with...
And why should we be obliged to ask you, after the fact, to explain your actions.
Some of my best friends are minarchist not one of them is sending reports to the US Attorney. ;D
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 10, 2012, 07:25 PM NHFT
My question is what might folks expect from you in your future patrolling and reporting activities?
I qualify all this by saying, I defended you to people here who were concerned you were formerly a cop.
I accepted as perhaps an overstep or an ill-considered attempt to distance yourself in your first report filing decision... the second announced reporting and it seems it's becoming your way of doing business.
You don't understand this is counter to what many people are comfortable with...
And why should we be obliged to ask you, after the fact, to explain your actions.
Some of my best friends are minarchist not one of them is sending reports to the US Attorney. ;D
I completely understand your concern and desire for a better explanation of things.
I cannot write openly on forums such as the NH Underground about precisely why I am doing what I am doing until Jason Talley's case has concluded. I have sat with several people thus far, including my friends in the Keene area and Jason Talley himself, to explain the reasoning behind things.
I've felt that after people have heard my explanation their thoughts on my actions have changed significantly.
I'd just ask that you please not assume the worst.
I agree with Tom Sawyer on this one .... and no he has not talked me into painting any fences .... not lately. :)
Having to have a private conversation with you sounds like "approaching the bench" or having to meet a politician so they can talk you into supporting them.
If one of us calls you, then maybe we will have to report your explanation to our Fed handlers or Homeland Security or the SS.
Quote from: highline on March 10, 2012, 08:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 10, 2012, 07:25 PM NHFT
My question is what might folks expect from you in your future patrolling and reporting activities?
I'd just ask that you please not assume the worst.
I haven't been assuming the worst ya know like ya work as a mole or anything. ;D
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8m29ZLX5ag/STSYj7_kg7I/AAAAAAAAB24/avdzorHEYMo/s400/SECRET+SQUIRREL+COLOR+2.jpg)
If that was the case the civil tone and limited response wouldn't have been my course of action.
Some of the reasons the legal approach is problematic...
"Can't talk about it we're building a case."
"Hey, keep your questions, scrutiny, and enthusiasm to do anything about it on the shelf for a lengthy period... then when it doesn't work out the story is on page 12."
Well I guess from Brad's polite, yet non-answer I can conclude.
He will patrol and report if he feels the need.
like other nice cops I have met. They want you to like them, but they live by a different code of conduct than normal people
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 13, 2012, 03:04 PM NHFT
like other nice cops I have met. They want you to like them, but they live by a different code of conduct than normal people
Russell,
Jason Talley
asked me for my help with his case. This is an in-the-system action I'm helping a fellow liberty lover with for his, and hopefully everyone's, benefit. When Judge McGuire agreed to allow me to represent Jason (without any hesitation or difficulty, mind you... she was very cordial), it was a voluntary agreement by me to follow the rules of the court so that I could assist Jason.
Despite your and other people's nonchalant view of them, threats against judges are a serious thing. They're even more serious when people openly are trying to lawfully hold you accountable to the rules you swore an oath to follow. I had no idea who that YouTube commenter was, and had I known it was someone like "The King of Keene" who posts on the Free Keene blog, I wouldn't have said anything. I know he just likes to blow off hot air and isn't to be taken seriously. Someone anonymously calling on a public official to be murdered, while I am trying to hold that very same public official
legally accountable, is quite honestly unacceptable.
I am publicizing this case because I believe it is the only way for Jason to get a fair trial and I believe it is the only way Judge Burke will face criminal liability and lose his job. I'm not going to let someone else's heated
public comments (which are already monitored by the government, mind you) derail my commitment to helping Jason Talley beat corrupt charges.
I also won't allow someone aligned with the government to post comments that could have a similar result. Lord knows there are plenty of examples throughout history of government employees playing this game.
Don't forget it was anonymous PUBLIC comments that the University System of New Hampshire used in court to help justify why they needed a temporary restraining order against ME from carrying a firearm on state property (state property I carried firearms on numerous times before as a law enforcement officer).
The only explanation I've come across so far is that Brad is legally compelled to report such things because he is representing Talley in court. He wouldn't answer directly, he just said he agreed with what someone else had wrote that it was correct.
I asked and still have not received a reply as to why he's asking everyone else to snitch on his Free Keene post. He asked me to meet him somewhere after there was a heated Facebook discussion about this incident to talk with him. I showed up, and it never happened.
Quote from: BJ on March 13, 2012, 03:56 PM NHFT
I asked and still have not received a reply as to why he's asking everyone else to snitch on his Free Keene post. He asked me to meet him somewhere after there was a heated Facebook discussion about this incident to talk with him. I showed up, and it never happened.
When was this? If I screwed up and forgot to meet you somewhere I surely will apologize for that.
Quote from: highline on March 13, 2012, 03:57 PM NHFT
Quote from: BJ on March 13, 2012, 03:56 PM NHFT
I asked and still have not received a reply as to why he's asking everyone else to snitch on his Free Keene post. He asked me to meet him somewhere after there was a heated Facebook discussion about this incident to talk with him. I showed up, and it never happened.
When was this? If I screwed up and forgot to meet you somewhere I surely will apologize for that.
The day you said you were going to be at the place to discuss this matter. I saw you at Milly's Metup, and then later at ad locum.
And the reason I'm even posting here now is because someone just informed me in person that they just found out about this whole thing.
And I quote "What the fuck was he thinking?".
You need to stop with the sneakyness. You know there are places where you can discuss this semi-privately on the internet so people are well informed before they get all emotional about it.
Quote from: BJ on March 13, 2012, 04:01 PM NHFT
Quote from: highline on March 13, 2012, 03:57 PM NHFT
Quote from: BJ on March 13, 2012, 03:56 PM NHFT
I asked and still have not received a reply as to why he's asking everyone else to snitch on his Free Keene post. He asked me to meet him somewhere after there was a heated Facebook discussion about this incident to talk with him. I showed up, and it never happened.
When was this? If I screwed up and forgot to meet you somewhere I surely will apologize for that.
The day you said you were going to be at the place to discuss this matter. I saw you at Milly's Metup, and then later at ad locum.
I apologize that we missed each other and take full blame for that.
Hopefully soon we can run into each other and I can rectify the situation. You never said anything to me so I assumed you didn't want to talk about it.
Quote from: BJ on March 13, 2012, 04:03 PM NHFT
And the reason I'm even posting here now is because someone just informed me in person that they just found out about this whole thing.
And I quote "What the fuck was he thinking?".
You need to stop with the sneakyness. You know there are places where you can discuss this semi-privately on the internet so people are well informed before they get all emotional about it.
I wont discuss most of these things semi-privately, that being short of within earshot, and I've learned recently that I have absolutely no control over what people get emotional about.
Dealing legitimately with the criminal justice system is like making sausage... it isn't very pretty.
So far I'm just getting...
The end justifies the means. Evoking a Seth line "...system is like making sausage... it isn't very pretty." ;D
It's also a little circular...
You yourself seemed to believe it was not a real threat to Burke's safety.
This isn't our first rodeo Brad... we have dealt with the violence spewers, without reporting. A good old fashion public denouncement works pretty well.
Did your client approve of this tactic before or after you committed it?
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 14, 2012, 11:10 AM NHFT
So far I'm just getting...
The end justifies the means. Evoking a Seth line "...system is like making sausage... it isn't very pretty." ;D
It's also a little circular...
You yourself seemed to believe it was not a real threat to Burke's safety.
This isn't our first rodeo Brad... we have dealt with the violence spewers, without reporting. A good old fashion public denouncement works pretty well.
Did your client approve of this tactic before or after you committed it?
Jason had nothing to do with this. All distaste for it entirely should be assigned to me.
I suppose out of respect for your questions about this whole ordeal I should just state unequivocally that I absolutely support using the state to protect life and property. I especially support the use of state services to protect life and property when it is my publicizing an issue that is responsible for someone getting upset and appearing to support violence.
If you, or anyone else, chooses to ostracize me because I am walking a delicate tightrope when trying to help a person I respect from ending up imprisoned for 6 months for corrupt charges, I am willing to accept that ostracization and speak with you respectfully about it.
You, or anyone, are always welcome to call me to tell me how you feel and why.
the guy was posting anonymously on youtube ... he is not even a troll like the guys on freekeene. Do you feel that you need to report on even that? You could keep yourself pretty busy. Every week someone posts on that great Political Grafitti video that Dave Ridley should be beaten with his own gun or that I should be kicked in the nuts with a jackboot for even questioning a cop.
I think you are sucking up to the members of the system while making fellow members of the NH liberty movement nervous. Choose your friends wisely and your life will go down a better path. :)
Quote from: highline on March 14, 2012, 01:48 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 14, 2012, 11:10 AM NHFT
So far I'm just getting...
The end justifies the means. Evoking a Seth line "...system is like making sausage... it isn't very pretty." ;D
I suppose out of respect for your questions about this whole ordeal I should just state unequivocally that I absolutely support using the state to protect life and property.
If you, or anyone else, chooses to ostracize me because I am walking a delicate tightrope when trying to help a person I respect from ending up imprisoned for 6 months for corrupt charges, I am willing to accept that ostracization and speak with you respectfully about it.
But that is not the purpose of the state. You are using the wrong tool I guess.
One thing that I have learned during my short time in the more intense parts of the fight for liberty .... is that when you use force it makes decisions much more dangerous. When you are trying to walk down a non-violent path it is much harder for you to hurt people.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 14, 2012, 04:00 PM NHFT
I think you are sucking up to the members of the system while making fellow members of the NH liberty movement nervous. Choose your friends wisely and your life will go down a better path. :)
Just trying to do my best to keep things civil. :-\ Either way... I do appreciate your and Tom's feedback.
I'll leave you with this... a blog I wrote about a comment from KBCraig, a man who I do respect: http://freekeene.com/2012/02/20/ive-been-called-out/
Well there seems to be a large gap in between how we see things.
No matter how nicely you try to present it, your first course of action regarding one troll comment was to file a report. Now it seems that I condone violent threats if I don't accept your decision to involve more threats of violence by the machine.
Your use of the phrase "Zero Tolerance" (http://freekeene.com/2012/03/14/growing-displeasure-at-my-zero-tolerance-for-threats-against-government-officials/#comments) is a telling one Brad. You are of the generation that has been raised under the threat of over reacting.
Apparently without your clients knowledge you went forward in this. When called on it you first try to not feed the story, then invoke that you will do as you see fit.
I was uncertain if I should start this thread when I first approached this issue. Now I have come to realize that it was very much necessary... Loose cannon self righteous (former) cop. I can't help but think of the many times that Brad would be filing reports, because one idiot trolled a thread here.
What do you expect the "powers" to do in your fantasy world where off-handed internet comments are threats? Track down Youtube posters, bring them in front of a grand jury, waste their time and money?
In my opinion, Brad got caught up in the excitement of filing government paperwork, and took it too far by reporting a few comments on a site where there are probably a hundred thousand "threats" of violence, rape, and fraud against people every hour.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 15, 2012, 06:37 AM NHFT
I was uncertain if I should start this thread when I first approached this issue. Now I have come to realize that it was very much necessary...
I appreciate you doing so, because it's better than talking behind people's backs. I think the real issue is that people are afraid to bring these sorts of things up publicly when the person has a kind of "celebrity" status within the movement. Now, granted, Brad has done some great things in the past...but I don't believe I'm in the wrong for disagreeing with him here.
When I stirred the drama pot on Facebook by calling him out for this (I was the only person to have the balls to say something, IIRC), instead of addressing *why* he was doing it he chose to attack me personally by claiming that I do nothing to advance the cause of liberty here in NH and am just an internet troll. After I reminded him that I made a financial contribution to two of his latest legal efforts (University gun rights and the Talley case) and attempted to volunteer for one of his events in the past, he apologized. Still, this is the kind of shit people have to deal with if they choose to challenge "authority" in the movement.
Thanks...
I think I agree that there is a reluctance of many to go against "celebrity" status people within the movement.
Dissent within certain boundaries is a good thing. Otherwise we can become like what we struggle against.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 15, 2012, 10:25 AM NHFT
I think I agree that there is a reluctance of many to go against "celebrity" status people within the movement.
It is intimidating and discouraging. Criticism that is meant to be constructive can make people feel attacked and put people on the defensive. I'm trying to fine tune my approach to cause less of that.
http://forum.shiresociety.com/civil-disobedience-noncooperation-and-jailed-activists/anyone-else-annoyed-by-the-people-harrasing-the-police-at-the-court/msg58494/#msg58494
Quote from: dalebert on March 15, 2012, 12:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 15, 2012, 10:25 AM NHFT
I think I agree that there is a reluctance of many to go against "celebrity" status people within the movement.
It is intimidating and discouraging. Criticism that is meant to be constructive can make people feel attacked and put people on the defensive. I'm trying to fine tune my approach to cause less of that.
http://forum.shiresociety.com/civil-disobedience-noncooperation-and-jailed-activists/anyone-else-annoyed-by-the-people-harrasing-the-police-at-the-court/msg58494/#msg58494
I hate the term "celebrity" and respect anyone deciding to disagree and or actively speak against what I chose to do, so long as they are respectful about it... like all of you have been here.
Thank you for that.
Hey Brad. Many of us know that you are moving down a better road then back when you were directly taking orders from The Man. We are just trying to nudge you down the path that guys like Lloyd and Solar Bob have been on for longer than your lifetime. :) They don't hurt anyone and enjoy poking fun at the system.
Remember folks ... Brad is the guy who stated he would involve authoritahhs if he witnessed me smoking illegal weeds at Porcfest. So he might not be the most dangerous undercover cop we have run into. ;)
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on March 15, 2012, 10:25 AM NHFT
Thanks...
I think I agree that there is a reluctance of many to go against "celebrity" status people within the movement.
Dissent within certain boundaries is a good thing. Otherwise we can become like what we struggle against.
Strong words from the guy who has been riding the coatttails of the President for years. >:D
I agree with you Coconut ... especially since you are closer to the action than I am. See we have antiestablishment undercover agents of all ages informing the NH Underground about all important activities. Beware government trolls.
And Brad we are taking it easy on you ..... wait and see what we say when you run for office. :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 15, 2012, 05:02 PM NHFT
And Brad we are taking it easy on you ..... wait and see what we say when you run for office. :)
:o
:P
"Somebody shut the guy in the stripped shirt up. That's? why I carry a gun, to shoot people like him.
jonguyton1 1 month ago"
That didn't take long to find.
I found that comment on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI&list=FLTl43VNQ5UOIGZY8RKKBjNw&index=27&feature=plpp_video
I think I have rights in some amendment somewhere to not be threatened.
Well it is a pretty horrible shirt.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 15, 2012, 05:23 PM NHFT
"Somebody shut the guy in the stripped shirt up. That's? why I carry a gun, to shoot people like him.
jonguyton1 1 month ago"
That didn't take long to find.
I found that comment on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI&list=FLTl43VNQ5UOIGZY8RKKBjNw&index=27&feature=plpp_video
I think I have rights in some amendment somewhere to not be threatened.
I'll agree you have legitimate rights to not be threatened...but c'mon that tired old awning shirt IS criminal and you know it! The fashion Police have been sniffing around G-Town with a warrant for years...:P
Hey you guys are just jealous...
The Lord sayeth, "And you will know him by his awning shirt and really clean white shoes! ;D
You guys are silly :icon_pirat:
man I am getting heckled for my cool shirt on my own forum .... I am shutting this place down
;D We need an emoticon of you in that cool awning shirt!
Quote from: highline on March 16, 2012, 09:18 AM NHFT
You guys are silly :icon_pirat:
It's a lot like being taken to task by the Marx Brothers and the Three Stooges.
Quote from: Coconut on March 15, 2012, 07:12 AM NHFT
What do you expect the "powers" to do in your fantasy world where off-handed internet comments are threats? Track down Youtube posters, bring them in front of a grand jury, waste their time and money?
In my opinion, Brad got caught up in the excitement of filing government paperwork, and took it too far by reporting a few comments on a site where there are probably a hundred thousand "threats" of violence, rape, and fraud against people every hour.
Brad did not respond to my post (above). And now I am sad.
maybe some judge told him not to
Quote from: Russell Kanning on March 16, 2012, 08:31 PM NHFT
maybe some judge told him not to
Nick, I'll be happy to answer your questions next time I see you.
I'll be in Keene next Monday for a Free Keene-TV interview about this whole case. I'll also be bringing the Cheshire County Sheriff the subpoenas for Judge Burke and Judge Arnold.
sapeanas for judges .... that is fun stuff
Well, Russell, I'm going to be announcing quite soon that I will be running for High Sheriff here in New Hampshire.
Please go gentle on me :'( :D
Well at least it's the high sheriff. :P
Quote from: Free libertarian on March 21, 2012, 12:48 PM NHFT
Well at least it's the high sheriff. :P
Hahaha I figured one of you would catch that reference.
Actually, the office has quite a unique history here in NH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States#New_Hampshire
Quote from: Free libertarian on March 21, 2012, 12:48 PM NHFT
Well at least it's the high sheriff. :P
That's got skit potential rat ther.
man I thought it was fun laughing at presidential candidates ..... but high sheriff?
Looks like I pegged it... just a reminder of where people's loyalties lie. At least this time someone was publically critical (http://freekeene.com/2012/04/16/five-people-didnt-stand-for-the-robed-man-at-talleys-trial-today/).
QuoteAs an officer of the Court, I must ask you to comply with the Court's order and stand under your own power when attending Jason's trial tomorrow. If you don't stand, you may be physically lifted or imprisoned.
State v. Jason Talley is Tomorrow at 9:00AM – You're Ordered To Stand (http://freekeene.com/2012/04/15/state-v-jason-talley-is-tomorrow-at-900am-youre-ordered-to-stand/)
I don't think Brad was intending to "order" activists to stand, I believe he was just warning people.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 19, 2012, 12:58 PM NHFT
Looks like I pegged it... just a reminder of where people's loyalties lie. At least this time someone was publically critical (http://freekeene.com/2012/04/16/five-people-didnt-stand-for-the-robed-man-at-talleys-trial-today/).
QuoteAs an officer of the Court, I must ask you to comply with the Court's order and stand under your own power when attending Jason's trial tomorrow. If you don't stand, you may be physically lifted or imprisoned.
State v. Jason Talley is Tomorrow at 9:00AM – You're Ordered To Stand (http://freekeene.com/2012/04/15/state-v-jason-talley-is-tomorrow-at-900am-youre-ordered-to-stand/)
I don't think Brad was intending to "order" activists to stand, I believe he was just warning people.
Ian was definately trolling on me with that blog.
But he was classy about it. :)
the games in that little court are hilarious and sad
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 20, 2012, 06:53 PM NHFT
the games in that little court are hilarious and sad
Did you catch the video of it Russell?
A good man is not going to jail :)
Quote from: highline on April 20, 2012, 07:44 PM NHFT
A good man is not going to jail :)
Think of how many times a good cop could say that every day.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on April 20, 2012, 09:06 PM NHFT
Quote from: highline on April 20, 2012, 07:44 PM NHFT
A good man is not going to jail :)
Think of how many times a good cop could say that every day.
I bet you a million bucks a lot of good cops are reading your words.
Quote from: highline on April 20, 2012, 07:44 PM NHFT
Did you catch the video of it,,,
which video? is there video from inside?
Quote from: John on April 20, 2012, 09:22 PM NHFT
Quote from: highline on April 20, 2012, 07:44 PM NHFT
Did you catch the video of it,,,
which video? is there video from inside?
Yes sir indeedy.
A film crew from KSC was there working on their documentary. They're releasing it in two weeks or so.
I still don't know what video you are talking about.
Why don't you just tell us what happened. :)
I never watch boring court footage .... just ridley outside in a wookie costume.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 21, 2012, 05:29 AM NHFT
I still don't know what video you are talking about.
Why don't you just tell us what happened. :)
I never watch boring court footage .... just ridley outside in a wookie costume.
The State prosecutor failed to file required paperwork for class "A" misdemeanor penalties which left the case procedurally screwed up. He wanted the trial to continue in front of just the judge, but I demanded it be diismissed because Talley had asserted his right to a jury trial.
The judge agreed, case dismissed.
And only real men wear Wookie costumes. :)
very cool
oh no ..... I just realized that means that Talley is loose on the streets and singing into cameras :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 21, 2012, 07:38 PM NHFT
very cool
oh no ..... I just realized that means that Talley is loose on the streets and singing into cameras :)
Rumor has it a return to Free Grafton is in the works. Worker bees are preparing the palace now. With the long absence of the elected emperor, there could be a power void waiting to be filled. Dueling with nerf batons or a sudden death chess match are possible solutions to the higher archical (just made that word up) reorganization. Misty the cat may be commissioned as an unelected special umpire.
Do send us news of your manifest destiny expansion of Free Grafton from time to time. Carry on.
I thought it was some sort of drinking game that determined the emporer.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 22, 2012, 05:20 PM NHFT
I thought it was some sort of drinking game that determined the emporer.
I think you may have confused that ceremony with the coronation. There was a bit of a scare when Misty the Cat was nearly elected, as she had mentioned there would be a tuna can remnant juice toast. (Or at least that's what our royal cat interpretor SAID she uttered. You can't imagine how hard it is to get an official government certified Royal Cat Interpretor, and the insurance to maintain that license? Whoa! Sky high!)
Anyway, thank god Evan won and an herbal substitute was deemed more appropriate.
aha
probably safer that way
After the previous emperor bailed we dropped the position.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 23, 2012, 07:31 AM NHFT
After the previous emperor bailed we dropped the position.
You guys are silly. 8)
No. Those guys are silly. That's why we dropped the position.
Quote from: Free libertarian on April 23, 2012, 05:10 AM NHFT
I think you may have confused that ceremony with the coronation. There was a bit of a scare when Misty the Cat was nearly elected, as she had mentioned there would be a tuna can remnant juice toast. (Or at least that's what our royal cat interpretor SAID she uttered. You can't imagine how hard it is to get an official government certified Royal Cat Interpretor, and the insurance to maintain that license? Whoa! Sky high!)
Anyway, thank god Evan won and an herbal substitute was deemed more appropriate.
LOL!
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 23, 2012, 07:31 AM NHFT
After the previous emperor bailed we dropped the position.
We really need a Burger King. Maybe a Bilderburger King even.
Quote from: Free libertarian on April 23, 2012, 03:39 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on April 23, 2012, 07:31 AM NHFT
After the previous emperor bailed we dropped the position.
We really need a Burger King. Maybe a Bilderburger King even.
There is a no competition clause with the Schnergenburgers.
Lloyd must be having a bad week. Is it snowing there?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 23, 2012, 03:55 PM NHFT
Lloyd must be having a bad week. Is it snowing there?
Rain here in Manchester.
aha
oh I forgot .... this was the thread about that ex-cop guy :)
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 23, 2012, 04:30 PM NHFT
aha
oh I forgot .... this was the thread about that ex-cop guy :)
*crickets*
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 23, 2012, 03:55 PM NHFT
Lloyd must be having a bad week. Is it snowing there?
I thought the same ting last week and the previous 100, or so.
I don't think we give out an award for consistency in grumpiness
I'll accept one for consistancy
OK Lloyd is now making me look up definitions in the dictionary.
I'm glad Russell is trying to bring this back on topic... chit chat, jocularity, puns, etc. are strictly prohibited... gots to be havin' rules ya know. Make sure you introduce yourself to the complete satisfaction of the Forum Overlord or you will be forcible removed... don't make us use the Officer of the Court on you!
;D
I'd like my Schnergenburger medium rare.
I might need to hire an ex-school teacher to defend me against the spelling police
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 23, 2012, 11:23 PM NHFT
I might need to hire an ex-school teacher to defend me against the spelling police
Skip the school teacher and go directly to an ex-grammer nazi.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on April 23, 2012, 11:44 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 23, 2012, 11:23 PM NHFT
I might need to hire an ex-school teacher to defend me against the spelling police
Skip the school teacher and go directly to an ex-grammer nazi.
:D
I so wanted to work in an obligatory cunning linguist line here, but alas I couldn't. :P
Lip reader
Quote from: Russell Kanning on April 23, 2012, 03:55 PM NHFTIs it snowing there?
no. but the wind. what's up with all this heavy wind?
is there global-winding?
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on April 25, 2012, 08:55 PM NHFT
Lip reader
Hey that's like a double entendre or something. ;D
What's the difference between a brown-noser and an ass kisser?
Depth perception. ;D
Brad thanks the guys who prosecuted the charges against Jason Talley, the people that refuse to return his camera and who will continue to hold the sword over Jason's head. Heck they're such "professionals" they screwed up their own procedures, that's the victory.
QuoteI would again like to repeat my sincere appreciation for the professionalism of Assistant Cheshire County Attorney John Webb, Associate NH Attorney General Richard Head, and Superior Court Judges Kathleen McGuire and James Barry.
speaking of cops in northern new england
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dbzbeOyCM&feature=relmfu
Justin be funny.
Quote from: Pat K on May 03, 2012, 12:04 AM NHFT
Justin be funny.
John's link led me to this:
http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=24042
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2012, 06:32 PM NHFT
Quotesincere appreciation
seriously?
did they pay jason back for time and damages
do we have to send in one of our unfrozen caveman lawyers from grafton? >:D
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 03, 2012, 05:14 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2012, 06:32 PM NHFT
Quotesincere appreciation
seriously?
did they pay jason back for time and damages
do we have to send in one of our unfrozen caveman lawyers from grafton? >:D
...or lost equipment.
My take (admittedly only from what I've read and I'm just an unfrozen caveman lawyer frightened and confused by your modern ways!) is that slippery lawyers found the perfect solution...
Flub the trial...
Jason gets no chance of appeal. No real scrutiny brought to the behavior of the judges and lawyer cohorts. They don't look like "bad guys" and there is no wind in the sails of the CD folks. The get to punish him by seizing his property. Jason is under continuing threat of charges being brought till the statute of limitations runs out.
yep .... I don't think we should trust those government lawyers anymore
Quote from: Russell Kanning on May 07, 2012, 08:56 AM NHFT
yep .... I don't think we should trust those government lawyers anymore
Now Russell, come on we have to give them one more chance to prove they aren't going to be sneaky, slimey... well lawyers.
Dang I sure hate being right sometimes...
Re: FBI actively attempting Free Keene infiltration, says Eyre (http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=25307.msg276354#msg276354)
Brad over on Free State Project forum
QuoteDave,
The FBI itself hasn't done anything to prosecute anyone. Yeah, they're obviously attempting to gather intelligence but that is their legal responsibility and charter. FBI is the lead internal intelligence/counter intelligence agency in the United States. CIA legally cannot do what they do domestically.
This is what they do for a living... and having talked to them, I honestly think they're decent guys who deserve to be treated respectfully. Special Agent Christiana is just doing his and the FBI's thing. It isn't unpredictable or surprising, it's just the world we live in.
Why miss an outreach opportunity? These guys seem genuinely decent.
QuoteDave,
The FBI itself hasn't done anything to prosecute anyone. Yeah, they're obviously attempting to gather intelligence but that is their legal responsibility and charter. FBI is the lead internal intelligence/counter intelligence agency in the United States. CIA legally cannot do what they do domestically.
This is what they do for a living... and having talked to them, I honestly think they're decent guys who deserve to be treated respectfully. Special Agent Christiana is just doing his and the FBI's thing. It isn't unpredictable or surprising, it's just the world we live in.
Why miss an outreach opportunity? These guys seem genuinely decent.
Holy Shit! Brad was here in Grafton one day a year or so ago and didn't impress much then. We put that down to some problems that he was having, but we had no idea he was as philosophically challenged and, possibly intellectually challenged as he appears to be.
As sheriff of cows county will he gather information on Freestaters because that will be his legal responsibility and charter?
This attempt at getting a wire into the KAC seems far to clumsy, as to be a deliberate misdirection.
Oh brother!
:(
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on June 01, 2012, 06:36 AM NHFT
Brad over on Free State Project forum
QuoteThese guys seem genuinely decent.
Did he even watch Pete's video? These guys who are looking to create a problem in NH where there is none just as they have done in other places? These same people who encourage people to commit acts of terrorism where there otherwise would have been none?
Just doing their job...
Young Brad seems to be lacking the history of the agency of decent guys.
COINTELPRO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO)
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover issued directives governing COINTELPRO, ordering FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize" the activities of these movements and their leaders.
reminds me of:
Supergrass
Now when Ireland we rosen up at last
Theres the UDR the Army and the SAS
But the lowest of the low is the foe you do not know
And thats the man they call the supergrass
Singing rifa ter a ludy tera lee
Theres no one who can tell a lie like me
You can search until you tire youll never find a bigger liar
Im the supergrass youve seen me on TV
I can name you people I have never seen
I can tell you places I have never been
For if the moneys right I could tell black was white
I could tell you Gerry Adams loves the queen
Spare a thought for poor Kirkpatrick and for Black
Sure theyre nervous now that Gilmours got the sack
For they put their trust in villains and they took the saxon shillings
Their own hands put the noose around their necks
To my native land I bid a fond farewell
Where Im going is the one thing I wont tell
But Ill keep a watch behind for if anyman should find me
The only place Ill ever go is hell
You might see my face in some exotic bar
In New Zealand or far off Africa
I have no friends or relations I betrayed the Irish nation
Thirty silver pieces doesnt get you far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkkwRl_AJps
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/grass-up.html
just doing their job
From Fedbook
Bradley Jardis
10:07am (22 minutes ago) near Gorham, NH
QuoteI am getting a great deal of criticism for statements I made on Free Talk Live the other night regarding the police detaining a group of people when they have reliable evidence that a violent bank robber is hiding amongst the group.
I stand by what I said on the air. Whether policing is private or public, serious threats to public safety need to be treated as such.
I would like to add that I believe the person who robbed the bank owes serious restitution to all the innocent people who the police detained.
The person who chose to hide amongst peaceful people after committing a violent act violated the NAP against all of those people.
I want police (whether public or private security) to immediately apprehend violent and dangerous people.
Dale Everett
QuoteA caller brought up Blackstone's Ratio last night on Flaming Freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation
QuoteIf the police thought he was so clearly dangerous to justify such an action, why didn't they expect the guns to start blazing and lots of detained innocent people to get shot? It didn't happen which means the overkill response wasn't called for. If it had been called for like I just described, it would have put lots of innocent people at risk.
QuoteIt reminds me of the TSA. If they actually catch someone with a bomb strapped to his chest who's willing to die for his cause, then the bomb's just going to go off in the crowd of people lined up to get groped instead of on the plane.
QuoteSo basically, the excuse they're using to justify this action either means they're stupid or full of shit.
Quote from: dalebert on June 10, 2012, 09:32 AM NHFT
A caller brought up Blackstone's Ratio last night on Flaming Freedom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation
"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"And thus the 'crux of the biscuit'.
Johnny Law believes that
QuoteWhether policing is private or public, serious threats to public safety need to be treated as such.
Quite the slippery slope there.
I, like Blackstone, believe that public safety is best served by restraining the "authorities" from stepping on the rights of the people.
Otherwise, searching every home within the vicinity of a crime could be justified.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on June 10, 2012, 02:34 PM NHFT
Otherwise, searching every home within the vicinity of a crime could be justified.
Someone pointed that out to him. It whooshed right on by.
Last week he was supporting the FBI's attempt to get an informant into the Keene Activity Center.
I used to support Brad, thinking he really had seen the light. Now, I don't think so.
Quote from: dalebert on June 10, 2012, 09:30 AM NHFT
From Fedbook
Bradley Jardis
10:07am (22 minutes ago) near Gorham, NH
QuoteI am getting a great deal of criticism for statements I made on Free Talk Live the other night regarding the police detaining a group of people when they have reliable evidence that a violent bank robber is hiding amongst the group.
I stand by what I said on the air. Whether policing is private or public, serious threats to public safety need to be treated as such.
I would like to add that I believe the person who robbed the bank owes serious restitution to all the innocent people who the police detained.
The person who chose to hide amongst peaceful people after committing a violent act violated the NAP against all of those people.
I want police (whether public or private security) to immediately apprehend violent and dangerous people.
Unfortunately for his pet theory, it just doesn't work that way. The accused bank robber did not cause the police to kidnap innocent individuals; the police chose to do that, all on their own.
Guilt for an act must follow a direct, causal chain from that act.
If you steal my truck and I sneak over and cut the brake lines, causing you to crash into a car full of innocents, I would be responsible, even though your theft was a wrongful act, and you were driving during the crash, because it would not have happened if the brakes were functional. If, on the other hand, the scenario was that you
intentionally ran into someone, I would not be responsible for that; cutting the brake lines had no causal relationship to your victim's injuries, since you intended to cause them, brakes or no brakes.
The cops chose, freely and with malicious intent, to assault and kidnap innocents. They knew that's what they would be doing, because the number of supposed bank robbers was smaller than the number of individuals they decided to attack; there's no possibility that they could have believed that every individual they were attacking was a guilty party (if they were looking for five robbers, and detained five individuals, they might at least
claim that they thought they had detained the five robbers). Unlike the guilt or innocence of the accused robbers, the cops' guilt is a known fact, because logic dictates that it was known to them that they were attacking some number of innocents.
There is no such thing as an acceptable level of "collateral damage." I cannot defend myself from attack in a crowded area by the use of a hand grenade; no matter what threat an attacker poses to myself, there is no way in which I can justify harming even one innocent bystander. While mistakes may happen in the real world, and any rational arbitrator would allow leeway for such, that cannot be the case in this situation: the actions of the police were premeditated acts of malice. They are certainly
at least as bad as the bank robbers they were attempting to capture and, in all likelihood, far worse.
I agree with you guys.
I always get nervous around people who want force to be used. It gets messy.
fyi
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/BradleyJardisForCoosSheriff
i guess
...... always a cop
This just in...
Brad is bat shit crazy. Anyone who thinks he is an ally should be aware where his number one loyalty lies.
In this case he decides that his stance against self incrimination at the border was wrong... OK fine he can change his mind. But, why does he feel the need to say this below (bolded by me, but the all caps yelling is all him.)
The US Border and the 5th Amendment (http://freekeene.com/2013/05/03/the-us-border-and-the-5th-amendment/)
QuoteIF YOU CITE MY CASE OR ACTIVISM AT THE BORDER AS A REASON NOT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS I WILL HELP THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IF THEY CHOOSE TO PROSECUTE YOU FOR NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 04, 2013, 08:47 PM NHFT
This just in...
Brad is bat shit crazy. Anyone who thinks he is an ally should be aware where his number one loyalty lies.
In this case he decides that his stance against self incrimination at the border was wrong... OK fine he can change his mind. But, why does he feel the need to say this below (bolded by me, but the all caps yelling is all him.)
The US Border and the 5th Amendment (http://freekeene.com/2013/05/03/the-us-border-and-the-5th-amendment/)
QuoteIF YOU CITE MY CASE OR ACTIVISM AT THE BORDER AS A REASON NOT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS I WILL HELP THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IF THEY CHOOSE TO PROSECUTE YOU FOR NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
It looks like part of the legal settlement.
Fuck you Brad.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on May 04, 2013, 08:59 PM NHFT
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on May 04, 2013, 08:47 PM NHFT
This just in...
Brad is bat shit crazy. Anyone who thinks he is an ally should be aware where his number one loyalty lies.
In this case he decides that his stance against self incrimination at the border was wrong... OK fine he can change his mind. But, why does he feel the need to say this below (bolded by me, but the all caps yelling is all him.)
The US Border and the 5th Amendment (http://freekeene.com/2013/05/03/the-us-border-and-the-5th-amendment/)
QuoteIF YOU CITE MY CASE OR ACTIVISM AT THE BORDER AS A REASON NOT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS I WILL HELP THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IF THEY CHOOSE TO PROSECUTE YOU FOR NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
It looks like part of the legal settlement.
si
Thanks for the info that he has been bent over the barrel. This should also be known by anyone that might be misguided enough to involve themselves with Officer Jardis.
The pdf document really doesn't give any details of the deal he struck or was coerced into.
wow :(
GOTTA wounder what else this copster thug will "help" them with.
I'm thinking a porc411 should probably go out about this
Yea great
Help the bad guys against us .... The definition of an enemy.