Can we start planning here? :D
I suggest Fun for next year.
So what is the point of BP?
I was thinking that it was to attract some decent folks to Grafton. If that makes sense to the rest of you. Let's go. :-)
Some ideas:
Events/days hosted at different locations around town.
- Jerry's
- Peter's
- peaceful assembly church
Who else wants to host?
John mentioned that the camp place on main street is friendly and maybe we can see what his place is like.
Kat and I are planning on being there, but we will rely on you guys for most of thee prep.
Oh yea jerry was picking the date.
Tom, Jeremy and I were discussing the date for 2014 and decided that the day after Porcfest didn't work out too well.
The Bardofest people are thinking of moving their date to July 4th (as yet unconfirmed) and we thought that making Burning Porcupine at the end of July would spread events out nicely.
Unfortunately that doesn't align with the full moon. Suggestions?
Is there something wrong with having it during Peeping Season?
I know the point of Burning Porc is to be exactly like Porcfest and Bardofest, but the Fall can be nice in New England.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 13, 2013, 11:00 AM NHFT
Is there something wrong with having it during Peeping Season?
I know the point of Burning Porc is to be exactly like Porcfest and Bardofest, but the Fall can be nice in New England.
Won't it be a little chilly for campers?
We also have the Grafton Applefest the last Sunday in September.
August or sept would be nice
Why not before the apple fest?
When we choose a date I will start advertising. :-)
Quote from: jerry on July 13, 2013, 12:16 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 13, 2013, 11:00 AM NHFT
Is there something wrong with having it during Peeping Season?
I know the point of Burning Porc is to be exactly like Porcfest and Bardofest, but the Fall can be nice in New England.
Won't it be a little chilly for campers?
We also have the Grafton Applefest the last Sunday in September.
Stop bringing all the bad stuff about Grafton... It's always chilly or damp in Grafton.
Annnd... I don't think four hours on an afternoon should be called a festival, especially if there is no parade.
But I guess if you're going to call it a 'fest', it's not really a festival. It can't be an 'apple party' either since its at the church. Maybe you could call it an 'apple social', then you guys could probably handle a social and a fest because neither of those are very big.
"Come for Grafton's Apple Social and stay for Burning Porc."
Now look, look, look here.... a roasted pig with an apple in it's mouth as the feature meal event.... I know, fucking genius, right?
I know!! We could burn apples!!
Baked apples are good, especially with brown sugar.
Cool, Johnson is roasting a pig this year ;D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 13, 2013, 09:50 PM NHFT
Cool, Johnson is roasting a pig this year ;D
I guess that would depend a lot on what what else was happening.
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 13, 2013, 11:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 13, 2013, 09:50 PM NHFT
Cool, Johnson is roasting a pig this year ;D
I guess that would depend a lot on what what else was happening.
Seems the dish should be porcupine... Roasting Porcupine 2014
My mouth is watering just thinking of the next apple bake off. :-)
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 03:40 AM NHFT
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
He's tried to hide it, but he could have the dreaded Curmudgeon gene. The crotchety stage is only the beginning. Be on the lookout for use of words like "whippersnapper" and a marked increase of "back when I was your age" stories.
He is practicing.
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 14, 2013, 07:44 AM NHFT
He's tried to hide it, but he could have the dreaded Curmudgeon gene. The crotchety stage is only the beginning. Be on the lookout for use of words like "whippersnapper" and a marked increase of "back when I was your age" stories.
In that case, I'm a curmudgeon, but I already knew that.
No Dalebert. To BE a curmudgeon, you have to be in denial about it. It's the ONLY way and it's in the rules!
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 03:40 AM NHFT
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 14, 2013, 09:02 AM NHFT
No Dalebert. To BE a curmudgeon, you have to be in denial about it. It's the ONLY way and it's in the rules!
Rules about this, rules about that...I thought this was the Underground, not the Shire Society!! >:D
I've heard 'back when I lived in Vegas' stories out of him...does that count?
Quote from: Kat Kanning on July 14, 2013, 12:06 PM NHFT
I've heard 'back when I lived in Vegas' stories out of him...does that count?
I thought that was supposed to stay in Vegas.
I saw a bumpersticker...What happens in Vermont stays in Vermont, but nothing ever happens there.
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 14, 2013, 07:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 03:40 AM NHFT
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
He's tried to hide it, but he could have the dreaded Curmudgeon gene. The crotchety stage is only the beginning. Be on the lookout for use of words like "whippersnapper" and a marked increase of "back when I was your age" stories.
Back in the Day...
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 14, 2013, 06:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 14, 2013, 07:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 03:40 AM NHFT
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
He's tried to hide it, but he could have the dreaded Curmudgeon gene. The crotchety stage is only the beginning. Be on the lookout for use of words like "whippersnapper" and a marked increase of "back when I was your age" stories.
Back in the Day...
There was no day, it was just dark and we liked it......
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 07:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 14, 2013, 06:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 14, 2013, 07:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 03:40 AM NHFT
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
He's tried to hide it, but he could have the dreaded Curmudgeon gene. The crotchety stage is only the beginning. Be on the lookout for use of words like "whippersnapper" and a marked increase of "back when I was your age" stories.
Back in the Day...
There was no day, it was just dark and we liked it......
...and it only cost a nickle, but we had to work 12 hours to get the nickle. Not like you lazy bastards.
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 14, 2013, 08:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 07:03 PM NHFT
Quote from: Jim Johnson on July 14, 2013, 06:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Free libertarian on July 14, 2013, 07:44 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on July 14, 2013, 03:40 AM NHFT
Man Jim sure has a lot of rules for festivals..............
He's tried to hide it, but he could have the dreaded Curmudgeon gene. The crotchety stage is only the beginning. Be on the lookout for use of words like "whippersnapper" and a marked increase of "back when I was your age" stories.
Back in the Day...
There was no day, it was just dark and we liked it......
...and it only cost a nickle, but we had to work 12 hours to get the nickle. Not like you lazy bastards.
A nickel! Oh you fancy pants SOB !
Any good date ideas from the Grafton crowd yet?
Should we plan this also on the Grafton forum or Facebook?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 16, 2013, 12:27 PM NHFT
Any good date ideas from the Grafton crowd yet?
Should we plan this also on the Grafton forum or Facebook?
Full moons on July 12, 2014 and August 10 2014.
Fedbook? that spinning sound ...... :)
I like august or september, but i think i get the least amount of votes :)
full moon
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 16, 2013, 04:08 PM NHFT
I like august or september, but i think i get the least amount of votes :)
I kinda like August 10 myself.
Porcfest in June,
Bardofest in July (tentative),
Burning Porc in August and
Applefest in September.
Quote from: jerry on July 16, 2013, 06:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 16, 2013, 04:08 PM NHFT
I like august or september, but i think i get the least amount of votes :)
I kinda like August 10 myself.
Porcfest in June,
Bardofest in July (tentative),
Burning Porc in August and
Applefest in September.
Leaf peaking in October
Rehab in November.
Quote from: jerry on July 16, 2013, 06:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 16, 2013, 04:08 PM NHFT
I like august or september, but i think i get the least amount of votes :)
I kinda like August 10 myself.
Porcfest in June,
Bardofest in July (tentative),
Burning Porc in August and
Applefest in September.
that would be my favorite :-)
I concur. The weather is typically drier in August, as well.
Sounds like an august date to me :)
Quote from: MaineShark on July 18, 2013, 06:16 AM NHFT
I concur. The weather is typically drier in August, as well.
yes
And warmer if it does rain
Seems cold rain is the real bummer
I asked a few folks around town what they thought, and so far, no one has said they think it would be a bad idea. A few think it is a good idea, and a few don't really care which date is used, as long as BP happens.
how about we have TomP and Jerry call it then?
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 21, 2013, 01:59 PM NHFT
how about we have TomP and Jerry call it then?
Tom was just here and he agrees that August 10 is the best.
He also requests that you re-activate his account here.
Could you also do Jean Alexander's account?
To clarify, Sunday August 10, 2014 will be the LAST day of Burning Porc, yes?
sent Tom an email.
can someone help me out with Jean's email? I don't know what her user name used to be or anything.
Aug 10th is Sunday, so that being the last day makes sense.
Quote from: jerry on July 22, 2013, 05:35 PM NHFT
Quote from: Russell Kanning on July 21, 2013, 01:59 PM NHFT
how about we have TomP and Jerry call it then?
To clarify, Sunday August 10, 2014 will be the LAST day of Burning Porc, yes?
I second it
:)
I was away for work... we were feeling bad about not being able to make it to Grafton to visit with our friends. Hope everyone had a good time.
Being that we have friends and a connection to Grafton, building houses for Porcs, spending time with people we have connected with over the years... makes this post difficult.
We just found out who the featured speaker (http://www.burningporcupine.org) was, and I must say I'm disappointed and am concerned about the judgement of that decision.
Many folks seem to feel the gooberment is the biggest threat we face. At times people have gotten worked up about the threat of alphabet soup agency attack.
Infiltration and disruption from within is a more likely scenario... We have had dividers and problem people orbiting the NH freedom movement before. Several times I was in the position of warning people, many times having to defend and prove to their satisfaction the danger I sensed. Pretty much to a person my concerns proved out.
From Powerchuter to the latest idiot to be involved, I believe the worst enemy is likely to be the Cantwells and other hate filled attention whores who claim to be our fellow travelers. Libertarians are often a myopic bunch and can get caught up in one issue arguments like "freedom of expression" and ignore the whole story. Like drunken rages, fist fights, bullying of women, etc. which old Chris is guilty of. His landlord waving a shotgun around at PorcFest and threatening people who called him on his unsafe behavior. Don't be surprised when the gun rubbers see violence as the answer to most problems. Focusing on the abuses and tactics of our overlords, can lead to us taking on those same traits.
Ultimately the psychology that is most often behind anger is fear. Letting go of as much of that fear as possible makes a person less angry and ultimately leads to being able to persuade others that you are on a better path. Perhaps, then, they will join us as well.
The bottom line is I hope it is a matter of being unaware rather than a lack of wisdom. We don't want anything that further distances families like mine from participating.
If you hang out with assholes, you might start to stink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGmCMCNK6o
Quote from: blackie on August 11, 2014, 07:08 AM NHFT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGmCMCNK6o
Wow. Someone needs to lrn2cam. 5 mins of the ceiling and shaky as Hell thereafter. I'm seasick.
To summarize...
Lots of intellectualizing about the NAP. The belief that the NAP is enough to build a community around, ridiculous. Makes me question if this social experiment has any chance of working.
Missing the forest for the trees, a sometimes raging drunk whose reckless behavior causes division. Caused good activists to withdraw from participating until finally he was kicked out of the KAC. Still being a dividing force and yet still promoted because he is "edgy". ;D
Conversations regarding his behavior towards valued members of the liberty community, to include intimidating women who I wouldn't trade for 10 of his kind.
Quote from: Tom Sawyer on August 11, 2014, 08:13 AM NHFT
The belief that the NAP is enough to build a community around, ridiculous.
The NAP is the absolute bare minimum to not be considered a criminal in a libertarian's eyes. It doesn't make you beyond criticism in all other respects.
You can be massively destructive to a movement without aggressive violence. Hell, you can without any violence at all. This is what they mean by vulgar libertarians.
I guess he will be getting his "free speech".
When I looked at his website a year ago ... he didn't seem like a person who I would want to hang out with.
I don't remember us having speakers at the beginning .... maybe just friendly people doing the Alt Expo with our friend Jack. :)
Maybe John will have to host the friendly loving people at the church. :)
You can count me out of any future events too if Cantwell is invited again. The types of people he attracts are not the types of people I'd want as my neighbor.
- Peter
and that abrasiveness seems to be his goal
;D Let's talk about taking on the police with a .38.
http://www.christophercantwell.com/2014/08/14/chris-cantwell-burning-porcupine-2014/
I was working and couldn't make it, but even if I'd been off I wouldn't go if Cantwell was featured.
I am sure people had fun in Grafton for the week without having to hang out with him. :) I hope.