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Title: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: tracysaboe on January 17, 2006, 03:00 AM NHFT
Just wondering. Several people in Russle's thread mentioned they thought such a referendum would succede.

Well, why not try it?

When I get some free time, maybe I'll try to put together a site about the pros of NH secession for both conservatives and liberals.

Tracy
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Fluff and Stuff on January 17, 2006, 08:22 AM NHFT
Quote from: tracysaboe on January 17, 2006, 03:00 AM NHFT
Just wondering. Several people in Russle's thread mentioned they thought such a referendum would succede.

Well, why not try it?

When I get some free time, maybe I'll try to put together a site about the pros of NH secession for both conservatives and liberals.

Tracy

Does NH even have state-wide referendems?
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Dreepa on January 17, 2006, 08:26 AM NHFT
It won't succeed.

At least not now.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 17, 2006, 09:16 AM NHFT
I don't think we have those sorts of things.
Some Rep could propose that NH seceed.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Lex on January 17, 2006, 10:28 AM NHFT
Even if it won't succeed it will at least bring awareness. I mean why did Badnarik run for president knowing full well that he wasn't going to win.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: tracysaboe on January 17, 2006, 01:23 PM NHFT
What sorts of things DO voters have in NH?

Not that I want voters to have more power -- we would more quickly sinc into democratic socialism if they did. Do they have pettitions or other such things?

Or I know. A BEtter thing would be to loby locally to have local governments tell the State they want secession. That would be an even more decentralized method.

Tracy
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Lex on January 17, 2006, 02:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: Scott Roth on January 17, 2006, 01:51 PM NHFT
Check out: www.vtcommons.org (http://www.vtcommons.org)

That's great! I sent them an email of support.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Dave Ridley on January 18, 2006, 12:44 PM NHFT
Might be easier just to have a rep sponsor a bill to secede.? ?I think one of the other Porcupines is considering this.  It would generate publicity without us even needing to promote it, more if we chose to.

I once did a petition drive, then tried having someone sponsor a bill for the same thing.? The bill has been more effective and less work, since it more easily generates publicity.

A statewide ref might eat up too much effort, but a bill would not.   And ya thats right I don't think we have them anyway.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Caleb on January 18, 2006, 07:13 PM NHFT
New Hampshire doesn't have a referendum process, and I am assured that it is unlikely we ever will. 

However, New Hampshire DOES have a pretty good legislative system.  ALL BILLS come out of committee and go before the Legislature.

So all it takes is ONE state rep to put a secession bill forward, and it WILL get a vote.  Plus (and this is far more important, from my point of view,) it will get LOTS of media attention and hopefully start a national discussion on the issue.

Caleb
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 18, 2006, 09:22 PM NHFT
We should bet them to it. We can race to seceed.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Lex on January 18, 2006, 09:32 PM NHFT
Quote from: Scott Roth on January 18, 2006, 09:12 PM NHFT
You know, until we can get more of the free staters here and active, talking about secession may be a waste of time.  It's a great idea, and one that needs some consideration.  I just think that the timing may not be right, and there are so many other issues that we could address more effectively.

What would be the harm in trying to pass a bill like calibaba77 suggested?

We can do it every year until it passes! Just like the yearly UN flag burn :-)
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 19, 2006, 07:56 AM NHFT
How much will you bet them?
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 19, 2006, 08:10 AM NHFT
Bet whom?
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 19, 2006, 09:12 AM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on January 18, 2006, 09:22 PM NHFT
We should bet them to it. We can race to seceed.

Bet the VTers.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 19, 2006, 10:20 AM NHFT
The prize is freedom before the other guys .... so we don't have to bet anything else.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Mr.fabulous on January 22, 2006, 04:44 PM NHFT
To start Id like to say its great finding like minded americans who are not under the spell of media brainwashing and conditioning.I think N.H should secede with a deepwater harbor and a timber industry N.H could be just fine without the fed .I aslo think it should be done now before the collapse of americas economy which the World Bank and I.M.F .have stated they are gonna do in the poverty reduction strategy. It was the IMF and world bank that collapsed Russia in the 80s not Ronny Raygun through holding back on natural resources it created an economic collapse.The goal of the IMF and World Bank is too bring the world into a one world currency government and banking system when the IMF gives loans they use the resources of the nation as surety on the loans such as meters on your private well  like they did in Brazil too families who had owned land for a century our roads timber oil coal and gas all privatized.We borrow about $15 billion a month from communist china whats the interest on that we borrowed $42 billion from mexico last year and $49 billion from the former Soviet Union now known as the Commonwealth of Independent States (scary) this is just off the top of my head the list goes on sadly too say . In short N.H should secede before its too late.  
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: AlanM on January 22, 2006, 05:15 PM NHFT
I'm all for secession, Mr. Fab.
I'm all for secession from Fed AND state gov.
Time for Freedom.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Lex on January 22, 2006, 05:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: AlanM on January 22, 2006, 05:15 PM NHFT
I'm all for secession, Mr. Fab.
I'm all for secession from Fed AND state gov.
Time for Freedom.

Word.
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: KBCraig on January 22, 2006, 06:04 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on January 19, 2006, 10:20 AM NHFT
The prize is freedom before the other guys .... so we don't have to bet anything else.

In the race towards secession, First Prize is freedom. Second Prize is freedom. Third Prize is... ummm, notice a trend?  ;D
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: AlanM on January 22, 2006, 06:12 PM NHFT
I like that trend, Kevin.  :)
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 22, 2006, 07:45 PM NHFT
So Kevin ... are you hoping NH will have a liberal immigration policy, so you can move here a year or 2 from now? :)
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: KBCraig on January 22, 2006, 08:15 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on January 22, 2006, 07:45 PM NHFT
So Kevin ... are you hoping NH will have a liberal immigration policy, so you can move here a year or 2 from now? :)

If it doesn't, then the revolution won't have succeeded! (pardon the pun)  ;)
Title: Re: Any plans by anyone to start a state-wide referendem for NH Secession?
Post by: Mr.fabulous on January 23, 2006, 07:34 PM NHFT
Quote from: Scott Roth on January 22, 2006, 10:06 PM NHFT
Welcome to the forum, Mr. Fabulous.
Thank you Scott