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Title: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 16, 2016, 09:28 PM NHFT
Hi! So good to finally get in here, been lurking on you guys forever :P
So, I definitely want to move up there. Been in Arizona most of my life, which is no fun for someone who hates the heat as much as I do. Want to get some of that lovely scenery, plants, nature, actual seasons, and the architecture up there just makes me cry every time I look out a window here and see endless stucco cubes. And, of course,  :brave:

Yay intro stuff's over, so, Standard Questions(tm) about jobs and renting and bla bla. Mostly, wondering if someone could give me some rough info on how easy it is to get a decent job that actually pays the bills up there, probably in the southern half of the state. I work in IT, and everyone says that's reasonably active in NH, but that's not something that I would restrict myself to. Just jobs good enough to survive on in general, pay rent and utilities and eat and have a car, and maybe a bit left over to save for the American Dream(tm) or whatever.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 25, 2016, 11:09 AM NHFT
just now approved this post sorry
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 25, 2016, 04:17 PM NHFT
lol. I was wondering if I needed to get to a certain number of thread responses before my new posts would be ok'd :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on July 26, 2016, 05:58 PM NHFT
Welcome to the underground.  8)

Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Becky Thatcher on July 26, 2016, 11:02 PM NHFT
Welcome to the underground.  8)

What he said.  ;D  Nice to have new people in the underground.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2016, 12:18 AM NHFT
don't let him trick you
Tom is known for his tall tales
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 27, 2016, 09:56 AM NHFT
don't let him trick you
Tom is known for his tall tales
I am easily fooled by the wearer of an eyepatch. They evoke feelings of trust in me.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 27, 2016, 10:28 AM NHFT
see that was the first deception .... that is a picture of a kid he saw a few years ago
this deception runs deep
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 27, 2016, 11:19 AM NHFT
I can't help it. I must trust the eyepatch. Half blind is twice as trustworthy.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on July 27, 2016, 07:38 PM NHFT
I can't help it. I must trust the eyepatch. Half blind is twice as trustworthy.

Hey ya want to paint a fence?

Yeah, that's a picture of my son William... he used to be in charge around here.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 27, 2016, 10:51 PM NHFT
I dunno. How much does fence painting pay these days?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on July 28, 2016, 05:04 AM NHFT
I dunno. How much does fence painting pay these days?

(https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/IxJ77QaFa_btuwZtNGTEZA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9MjQ4O3E9OTU7dz0zMDA-/http://www.paintingincorporated.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/TomSawyersFence.jpg)
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 28, 2016, 10:08 AM NHFT
see he has you thinkin already
you won't be gettun nun payment from old sly tom
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 28, 2016, 10:52 AM NHFT
Oh well then that's ok, he can do his own fence. After all, hard work is it's own reward.
But I still trust the eyepatch.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 28, 2016, 11:02 AM NHFT
so you are in arizona?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 28, 2016, 01:28 PM NHFT
so you are in arizona?
Yes. I very much want to not be. I hate hot weather, and I like green leafy plants.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 28, 2016, 06:22 PM NHFT
well then this will be easy
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on July 28, 2016, 06:50 PM NHFT
If it were easy, I'd be there already. My escape fund keeps taking hits from car issues. I'm on my third car in two years.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 10, 2016, 04:51 PM NHFT
Ok listen, will someone put me up until I get a job?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 10, 2016, 08:09 PM NHFT
Ok listen, will someone put me up until I get a job?

What kind of job are you looking to get?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 10, 2016, 09:25 PM NHFT
there are some places that are not very expensive that you could move to at first. So you won't have to build up as much money to move.
You might be able to get a job beforehand also :)
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: KBCraig on October 11, 2016, 02:23 AM NHFT
If it were easy, I'd be there already. My escape fund keeps taking hits from car issues. I'm on my third car in two years.
Ok listen, will someone put me up until I get a job?

What do you imagine that you will find in NH to help cure your current condition, that doesn't exist elsewhere -- including where you are right now?

The FSP and the greater NH liberty community aren't charities, and they aren't communes. While the people are extremely charitable and some of them engage in intentional communities, none are really interested in in giving someone a free bed with no evidence that the mover will obtain a job quickly -- and being without reliable transportation seriously limits your job opportunities in NH.

Too many generous people have been burned over the years by desperate movers who insisted they only need a place to stay until they get on their feet.

You cannot escape the problems that left you where you are, by pretending the same problems won't exist once you're in NH.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 11, 2016, 08:57 AM NHFT
yea we had only good experiences with guys that moved and we rented rooms to them inexpensively, but they didn't come free :)
Everyone that I knew that came to NH needing a job, got one. But I would try to set one up ahead of time, plus you can visit while interviewing.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 12:48 PM NHFT
What kind of job are you looking to get?
I'm looking for a very specific position in the field of exchanging my time/effort/labor for something that I value, money, preferably. But truthfully, just something that doesn't involve. . .well. hmm. I mean, I'm ok with outdoor work. I just hate it here, because it's too damn hot. I've got construction/masonry xp and I work in IT support currently. I have a soothing and patient phone voice.

there are some places that are not very expensive that you could move to at first. So you won't have to build up as much money to move.
You might be able to get a job beforehand also :)
How expensive is not very expensive?

What do you imagine that you will find in NH to help cure your current condition, that doesn't exist elsewhere -- including where you are right now?

The FSP and the greater NH liberty community aren't charities, and they aren't communes. While the people are extremely charitable and some of them engage in intentional communities, none are really interested in in giving someone a free bed with no evidence that the mover will obtain a job quickly -- and being without reliable transportation seriously limits your job opportunities in NH.

Too many generous people have been burned over the years by desperate movers who insisted they only need a place to stay until they get on their feet.

You cannot escape the problems that left you where you are, by pretending the same problems won't exist once you're in NH.
I mean, my problems are all mostly related to weather and climate. I don't go outside, because it's miserable in the summer, and the summer lasts about six months here. Once you get into the habit of never going anywhere, you kind of have trouble breaking it. I would go out and get some nature type fun, even by myself, but, I mean. It's rocks, dirt, and cactus. I know that arizona is supposedly listed high in the freedom indexes, but it really blew my mind when I found out that Adam K. was buying land out here to become self sufficient. I'm really curious about where he's going to get water to water gardens and stuff.
And beyond "problem x doesn't exist in NH", there are all the nice things, like seriously, it's beautiful. I have yet to see a picture of new hampshire that says to me that it's anything other than lovely and amazing. The towns/cities are smaller, but not too far scattered from each other, but also not jammed in next to each other. Plus, maple syrup. I know it's not what NH is known for, but it's there, and also all the places around NH as well.

yea we had only good experiences with guys that moved and we rented rooms to them inexpensively, but they didn't come free :)
Everyone that I knew that came to NH needing a job, got one. But I would try to set one up ahead of time, plus you can visit while interviewing.

Dude, I'd be there every weekend if I had money to just drop on plane tickets. You -do- realize I'm 2600 miles away, right?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 12:57 PM NHFT
Mostly, I just lack information, I guess, and have very little faith in the numbers I get from my craigslist sources. :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 11, 2016, 03:06 PM NHFT
for cheap starting places you can look at http://porcmanor.com/search/

can you do your IT support job anywhere, or can you get a job like that here?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 03:36 PM NHFT
Yeah, I've looked there. It's pretty bare, actually. I only see one listing, in any category, and it's for 1200 a month.

And no, my current job has physical components. I'm part of an internal IT department, and I'm occasionally expected to go slap someone's computer until it does what it's told.

And I don't know if I can get a job like that there. I suck at getting jobs. I have never, once, in my entire life, successfully sought out and interviewed for a job. Every position I've ever held has been someone talking to a friend or whatever and giving me a job. I've -tried-, but it never works. I'm really not a people person.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 11, 2016, 05:05 PM NHFT
for cheap starting places you can look at http://porcmanor.com/search/

can you do your IT support job anywhere, or can you get a job like that here?

Looks like the website is in the process of being revamped.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 11, 2016, 05:08 PM NHFT
Check into temp service and/or day labor. Could be a foot it the door somewhere.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 05:15 PM NHFT
I dunno. I heard that placement agencies are really just recruiting tools for cults.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 05:18 PM NHFT
Speaking of cults, why does every apartment building that goes for a decently low price look like it's some kind of cult indoctrination compound? wtf are you guys -doing- up there?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Jim Johnson on October 11, 2016, 05:41 PM NHFT
Speaking of cults, why does every apartment building that goes for a decently low price look like it's some kind of cult indoctrination compound? wtf are you guys -doing- up there?

What you talk'n 'bout, Willis?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 05:42 PM NHFT
Another question, can someone give a rough, vague, ballpark estimation on the monthly cost for heat, electric, and water in a smallish apartment? Like definitely less than 1000 sq/ft 1-2 bedroom size?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 11, 2016, 06:48 PM NHFT
I've always wanted to start a cult... Cult leaders, they get all the chicks.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 11, 2016, 07:07 PM NHFT
Yeah, until the ATF and the FBI come along and set your house on fire.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 11, 2016, 11:34 PM NHFT
Yeah, until the ATF and the FBI come along and set your house on fire.

Of course by then it will be called a compound.  ;D
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Free libertarian on October 12, 2016, 12:47 PM NHFT
Another question, can someone give a rough, vague, ballpark estimation on the monthly cost for heat, electric, and water in a smallish apartment? Like definitely less than 1000 sq/ft 1-2 bedroom size?


Heat costs will vary, as some of the apartment buildings are older, with poor insulation and /or windows. 
Second floor apartments over a heated first floor will be cheaper.     Water is usually included in the rent.    Electric for a thrifty person could be as low as $50 or $60.


 
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: blackie on October 12, 2016, 01:12 PM NHFT
Heat is also included with rent in some of the smaller apartments.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: blackie on October 12, 2016, 01:17 PM NHFT
And I don't know if I can get a job like that there. I suck at getting jobs. I have never, once, in my entire life, successfully sought out and interviewed for a job. Every position I've ever held has been someone talking to a friend or whatever and giving me a job. I've -tried-, but it never works. I'm really not a people person.
You may want to start applying for jobs where you are, and try to go through the interview process just for practice, even if you don't want the job.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 01:40 PM NHFT
I am currently tapped out for face to face by my current job. I spend all day sorting people out and dealing with their problems. I go home specifically for the purpose of not dealing with people any more. You may notice that I rarely, if ever, post after 9 pm your time.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: WithoutAPaddle on October 12, 2016, 03:31 PM NHFT
...I suck at getting jobs. I have never, once, in my entire life, successfully sought out and interviewed for a job. Every position I've ever held has been someone talking to a friend or whatever and giving me a job. I've -tried-, but it never works. I'm really not a people person.

If no one sent you, then no one wants you.  That's the way the job market works.

When I graduated from high school, I couldn't find a summer job, so my father sent me to see our barber, who was also the mayor, and he wrote on the back of a card that I needed a job and told me where to bring it.  The manager there gave me the cold shoulder but begrudgingly hired me anyway, though he pissed on me at every opportunity for the next nine weeks.  What he had given me was the last job he had available to give out, and he would probably rather have held it back for making better use of it later.

I flunked out of college that fall and applied at nearly a dozen factories, but never got hired, even though they were all known to be hiring on occasion, so I took a sub-minimum wage job ($1.45 and hour) in a burger joint.  I quit that and went to work as a grunt laborer for a relative.  Then one day, my father ran into someone he knew who worked for the Department of Employment Security AKA, the unemployment office, and she said to have me come by and ask specifically to see her, and when I did, she had a "referral" card made out with my name on it, to be given to the personnel manager at a newly relocated factory that I had never heard of and that hadn't even put out it's name on the old woolen mill building it was occupying.

She wasn't supposed to have given me that card.  It was the overriding objective of the Department of Employment Security to get people off the unemployment compensation rolls, and so whenever they had the means to get people jobs through referrals, that is who they were supposed to give them to.  I didn't realize this at the time, but if I had just walked into that factory and applied for the same job on my own, I wouldn't have gotten it.

There was an episode of All in the Family where Archie is denigrating some employment related protest by a bunch of Blacks, and says, "I didn't need no hundred people marching to get me no job", and Edith, attempting to be supportive, said, "That's right Archie, all you needed was one call from your uncle Louie, the Union shop steward".

I lived in the New Hampshire seacoast region for over three decades and still have lots of friends there, and to this day, I have never heard of a single person ever having been hired at GE in Somersworth by having just walked in the door.  You had to "know someone" to get a job there.   People used to get hired, short term, by Davidson Rubber, but it took luck for the timing of that hire to result in permanent employment.  And for that matter, I never knew of a single person working at Eastern Air Devices, other than the General Manager.

I became unemployed a decade later and remained less than fully employed for a decade and a half.  I worked, but it was part time and self employment.  I bet I sent out a hundred resumes, but I never even got one interview from them.   In the late 1980s and early 1990s, the Boston Sunday Globe used to print a huge help wanted section, and there were always at least a hundred jobs listed for social services workers.  I'm not one, but an unemployed friend of mine was.  He said that there was no point in ever applying for a job as a social services worker unless you had someone on the inside to get you that job because he said that since there were no qualification requirements, beyond a high school diploma, and since lots of people already working there had unemployed friends and acquaintances with high school diplomas, the only reason those classifieds were placed was so that they could say they posted the job before hiring the people they were going to hire all along.

I eventually moved to a major city and found that it only took answering two questions correctly to get a field service job if the company was in distress, those being, 1) do you have a driver's license, and 2) can you start right away?  In fact, I got hired by one company when I called them at about 4:00 PM to arrange an interview the next day, but then they called me back half an hour later and asked if I could go directly to a jobsite that evening, just to get an irate customer of theirs off their back.

I don't know what the magic words are that an IT job candidate can use to move his candidacy above the rest.  I had a dynomite resume for various technical bench and field jobs and I interview exceptionally well, but I might have interviewed too well, making me a threat to employees who interviewed me, or to company principals who feared I would eventually defect and take their customers with me... which I sometimes did.  I'm sure the fact that I was in my 40s when I was interviewing extensively worked to my disfavor.

I'd say your time and effort are best spent sucking up to people and getting them to recommend you. 

Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 03:52 PM NHFT
...I suck at getting jobs. I have never, once, in my entire life, successfully sought out and interviewed for a job. Every position I've ever held has been someone talking to a friend or whatever and giving me a job. I've -tried-, but it never works. I'm really not a people person.

I'd say your time and effort are best spent sucking up to people and getting them to recommend you. 

You are correct. that is the best way to get a job. And, unfortunately, it is one of the things in life that I am absolute shit at. I see so much bullshit and lies and misinformation all over the place, every day, everywhere I look, and I just can't maintain a facade of more of that nonsense for any appreciable period of time. Like, longer than fifteen minutes. If I try, it just stresses me out and I stop getting sleep and eventually my work starts to fall apart.

I just recently got moved from a location where I was the only available IT guy for all of the users at that location to another one where I have much less face to face interaction and much more phone time, because they were getting complaints that I wasn't a good job. Which were bullshit. I was doing an incredible job holding together the IT infrastructure of that place when they were so desperately trying to tear it down in their ignorance and desire to 'improve' their workflow.
You can survive in the IT world on sheer competence, but you probably won't have the nicest job and people won't like you. And I got this job because I went to college with the guy who hired me. Pretty sure I didn't go to college with anyone hiring in NH :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2016, 04:52 PM NHFT
You don't have to be deceptive and sucking up maybe isn't the right term either.

Personable involves empathy and the ability to understand another's perspective. You just have to refrain from stepping all over what the other person finds important and going at it from that angle. You can sell without lying.

IT is a service. If the people don't like the "service" you give it doesn't matter how right you are.

I am an opinionated person, but when I have control of myself, I can chose the approach that works with the other person. Communication involves the sender understanding the way the receiver will perceive the communication.

I don't have the answer to how you can find a job on this end of things. If you can find the opportunity to make yourself valuable, that is what makes people want to be involved with you. I worked for nothing and even had to spend money to get into video post production. But, once I found the good opportunity I made myself valuable and before long it was like they almost couldn't live without me.

My only advice to you personally is that the world often gives back what you project. A positive, happy or cheerful demeanor makes the world around you more like that. Angry, negative etc. means that every dickhead in the world is likely to stick to you. I know this from personal experience. I had to flee the Megapolis and then I had to change my internal landscape as well. Mostly I'm better.  ;D

Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: blackie on October 12, 2016, 05:05 PM NHFT
I got a job in NH when I was living in CT. It was all based on the resume and the interviews. The interviews were with three different people. I had the specialized skill set they were looking for, and was able to interview well with all three people.

Lots of employers do credit checks, so having a good credit score can help too.

I had to be deceptive on the drug test part in order to get jobs.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 05:20 PM NHFT
You don't have to be deceptive and sucking up maybe isn't the right term either.

Personable involves empathy and the ability to understand another's perspective. You just have to refrain from stepping all over what the other person finds important and going at it from that angle. You can sell without lying.

Sure, except I need it two ways. I understand people's perspectives. I disagree with them but hey, I don't require you to agree with me. The -problem- is that lots and lots of people -do- require you to at least -pretend- to agree with -them-.

IT is a service. If the people don't like the "service" you give it doesn't matter how right you are.

Yup. Thing is, though, I didn't work for them. I worked for the territorial IT department, according to their rules and technical specifications. it's not -my- fault these guys decided to get some shitty low end software that isn't compatible with anything and is always breaking. You have to remember, I wasn't -dedicated- to this location, I was just the onhand guy in case someone needed to slap a computer. I was the only one available for them to rub eyeballs with, not the only one available to help them with many problems. But I was -also- one of the 40 support guys supporting over 5000 -other- users. Sometimes I wasn't available to personally restart their computer for them, and they got butthurt about that. Anyway, I know I have personal flaws. everyone does. Mine just happen to be in the realm of not being able to comfortably say 'eh whatever you say man'.

I am an opinionated person, but when I have control of myself, I can chose the approach that works with the other person. Communication involves the sender understanding the way the receiver will perceive the communication.

Also yes I've been told this a thousand times. I don't know how to do that. I can't read your mind, I have no idea how you'll perceive my words. That's why we have dictionaries, so that we can all have a mutual frame of reference when we talk.

I can find a job or whatever, if I really try. The trick is mostly to just overcome my mental obstacles, which I'm slowly doing. Introspection is hard.

I got a job in NH when I was living in CT. It was all based on the resume and the interviews. The interviews were with three different people. I had the specialized skill set they were looking for, and was able to interview well with all three people.

Lots of employers do credit checks, so having a good credit score can help too.

I had to be deceptive on the drug test part in order to get jobs.

Yeah. One of my biggest hurdles is the massive distance factor involved here. If all I had to do was spend $15 in gas and take a week off of work and just go check out the world 100 miles north of me, honestly, I'd probably already live there :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 05:33 PM NHFT
yea we had only good experiences with guys that moved and we rented rooms to them inexpensively, but they didn't come free :)
Everyone that I knew that came to NH needing a job, got one. But I would try to set one up ahead of time, plus you can visit while interviewing.

Byyyyy the way, who is 'we', where are these rented rooms, and how much is not coming free?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: K neth on October 12, 2016, 05:36 PM NHFT
Hi EL,

You could have sold everything and got on a bus to NH at the beginning of summer, prepared to spend a few nights out of doors, but hoping to quickly find a couch for an ounce silver a night, then grabbed a shared room in a big house and took whatever shit job was within walking distance.   But you won't get those cheap places without someone talking to you and looking you in the eye first.  And it's fast getting pretty cold to risk those nights out of doors.

Since it's mid October, and Christmas retailers are all desperate, you could a get a job at some big box that is both in NH and Arizona.  I see Target has 3 in Pheonix and 2 in Manchester.  Stocking shelves at midnight doesn't have much of that dealing with people crap you hate.  Trim your expenses to the bone. Find a roommate. Get rid of your car and walk to work.  By spring, you could transfer to a NH Target and get on that bus.

If you're trying to save money while living alone in a nice apartment and keeping an old car in good shape, until you can make that move to NH with a nice apartment all to yourself waiting for you, a car still in good shape, and a great no dealing with people crap kinda job lined up, I don't ever see that happening.

You should know that it seems half the guys moving to NH are programmers or IT like you and me, so you've got a lot of competition for those jobs.  Someone in the freedom movement might do well starting a tech company that could hire some of the many guys like you.  But starting a company and becoming an employer is probably too much dealing with people crap for you, it would be for me.

Hope you make it!
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 05:57 PM NHFT
I don't have much to sell worth more than the trip to the goodwill store to drop it off, other than my car which I might get a few hundred bucks for. As far as jobs, I keep feeling better about it as time goes on. I'm not solely restricted to IT work, I've got some construction xp, and I can do masonry, which usually pays decently. I've worked some numbers, as best as I can make them up, and I know how much money I need to have. I'm largely hampered by my own inertia, which I'm slowly overcoming.

Mostly, I just need information. I don't like to do big massive life changes unless I have some kind of plan, or at least a vague strategy based on some known info. Especially, as you said, when it's getting cold out. :P

Oh, and I stopped trying to keep the old car in good shape awhile ago. it's officially declared a junker, and I'm just keeping it together while I work a deal with my mechanic for a decent machine he just got in trade.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2016, 06:02 PM NHFT
Mine was completely unsolicited and off the cuff commenting.

Lately I've been calling myself a subjectivist. Because much of the interactions in life are subjective. I've really noticed this fact when viewing footage I shot, later when I'm not as emotional connected, I can see that the situation was slightly different than the way it felt at the time. Everyone is experiencing things through a filter that distorts the perception. It's often easier to see this in others behavior than your own.

One trait I've noticed among a percentage of self identified libertarians is the inability to understand this subjective element. It's more comforting to seek a world of perfection with hard and fast, easily defined parameters. Life is much more chaotic and full of shades of gray. I think the trick is to become more comfortable with that and find the beauty in it.

I can from now on be known as Dr. Tom.  ;D Now if Oprah can give me my start I can have a huge ass yacht like Dr. Phil!   ;D
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2016, 06:07 PM NHFT
I don't have much to sell worth more than the trip to the goodwill store to drop it off, other than my car which I might get a few hundred bucks for. As far as jobs, I keep feeling better about it as time goes on. I'm not solely restricted to IT work, I've got some construction xp, and I can do masonry, which usually pays decently. I've worked some numbers, as best as I can make them up, and I know how much money I need to have. I'm largely hampered by my own inertia, which I'm slowly overcoming.

Mostly, I just need information. I don't like to do big massive life changes unless I have some kind of plan, or at least a vague strategy based on some known info. Especially, as you said, when it's getting cold out. :P

Oh, and I stopped trying to keep the old car in good shape awhile ago. it's officially declared a junker, and I'm just keeping it together while I work a deal with my mechanic for a decent machine he just got in trade.

Manchester would probably be a good place to look. Largest Free Stater presence. Lots of economic activity there as well.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 06:11 PM NHFT
And a wide range of prices for renters. It's weird, some of the lowest prices I find are right in the middle of the busiest most populated place in the state. You're all cultists, I tell you. It's the only explanation!
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: blackie on October 12, 2016, 06:16 PM NHFT
It's weird, some of the lowest prices I find are right in the middle of the busiest most populated place in the state.
It's called the ghetto.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Tom Sawyer on October 12, 2016, 07:11 PM NHFT
And a wide range of prices for renters. It's weird, some of the lowest prices I find are right in the middle of the busiest most populated place in the state. You're all cultists, I tell you. It's the only explanation!

You can sell the movements books at the airport.  ;D

Manchester is a mixed bag. But, it doesn't seem as rough as a lot of the cities I've been in. The downtown corridor on Elm is gentrifying. Becoming kind of hip. Murphy's Tap Room started by a Free Stater seemed to be ahead of the curve choosing that area. Now there are other bars popping up around there.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 12, 2016, 07:14 PM NHFT
If that's a ghetto, I'd like to know where people are getting those lovely pictures of adorable neighborhoods that they're posting :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: KBCraig on October 13, 2016, 01:20 AM NHFT
I've always wanted to start a cult... Cult leaders, they get all the chicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3dBE0IAYjE
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 13, 2016, 08:50 AM NHFT
you will also find that in the bad neighborhoods is Phoenix

btw the last time we had somebody move who had nothing but complaints about their last state and plenty of worries about NH ... we wished we had never met that person

follow Kneths advice ... he has seen guys like you make or break it

if you want a job by word of mouth ...... someone has to like you first (and at this point it ain't lookin good)

when we rented rooms out cheap (not happening now) we always knew the person ahead of time ... that is why it always worked out well. :)
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on October 13, 2016, 08:54 AM NHFT
my plan was to move to Manchester from CA
saved up money for rent for 6 months .... moved by Southwest Airlines, hardly and possessions, no car
just show up at the accounting temping agencies and off we go

instead met Kat and did all the same thing except in Keene
no car, bags and a box, hit the temp agencies .... and found work

later met libertaria bob ... lived off the land, watched graffy and never worked again oop
now I am stuck outside the Shire .... but will find my way back :)
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Free libertarian on October 13, 2016, 09:18 AM NHFT
I am currently tapped out for face to face by my current job. I spend all day sorting people out and dealing with their problems. I go home specifically for the purpose of not dealing with people any more. You may notice that I rarely, if ever, post after 9 pm your time.


 When you give yourself permission to move, that's when you'll do it. 
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on October 13, 2016, 12:55 PM NHFT
you will also find that in the bad neighborhoods is Phoenix

lol I -live- in the bad neighborhoods :P

btw the last time we had somebody move who had nothing but complaints about their last state and plenty of worries about NH ... we wished we had never met that person

I don't have worries about NH. NH looks like a dream to me. My worries center around my own issues that I've always had that hinder me no matter -where- I am.[/quote]

follow Kneths advice ... he has seen guys like you make or break it

I try to do that stuff. I spend very little other than bills, food, and gas. I eat a lot of beans and rice.

if you want a job by word of mouth ...... someone has to like you first (and at this point it ain't lookin good)

when we rented rooms out cheap (not happening now) we always knew the person ahead of time ... that is why it always worked out well. :)

Yeah. I know people tend not to like me. That's my biggest concern, because I know the best way to make big changes like this is to have a supporting network of people who at least don't find you more than mildly annoying.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on June 03, 2017, 09:55 PM NHFT
So, fun times, got laid off, got a nice severence package, got my apartment cleared out and such, sorted out some temporary housing, and wondering if there's anyone planning on going to somaliafest and porcfest that might be willing to pick someone up and drag them along for a few weeks :D
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 03, 2017, 10:38 PM NHFT
where are you coming from again?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on June 03, 2017, 10:54 PM NHFT
Arizona. I would be flying in, because that's a long way to drive unless you have a lot of stuff you want to haul along, which won't be the case until a few weeks later, unless I suddenly realize I hate NH :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2017, 09:42 AM NHFT
it's summer in AZ no way you will hate NH ..... until you freeze your butt off.
the cure for that is hanging out with freestaters in cozy bars

I moved to NH from NV by SWA .... the fastest way to get there. :)
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on June 04, 2017, 01:34 PM NHFT
The only thing I can think of for SWA is Southwest Airlines, and as much as I love flying, which I don't I actually hate flying, I'm planning on driving so I can bring a folding table to put the beer on. but for a quick visit, I'll be flying, because it's quick, although the more I look into the airport situation there, the more I have to wonder how deliberate the lack of airports in NH is :P
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 04, 2017, 03:58 PM NHFT
you are not very observant
how many major airports do you expect for 1.5 million people?
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on June 04, 2017, 04:07 PM NHFT
oh at least like, six or seven, this is 'murica after all! We need to meet our search and grope quotas!
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Russell Kanning on June 05, 2017, 08:02 AM NHFT
now there ya go
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on June 05, 2017, 03:14 PM NHFT
Anyway, I'm thinking maybe do a fly up prior to all the fests for hi hello, because they're distracting everyone, and then drive up with an eye to arriving a bit after they wrap up. I dunno, though.
Title: Re: Wanting to move to NH
Post by: Erroneous_Logic on June 05, 2017, 09:15 PM NHFT
Actually, I've just been reminded that my parents are going to be doing the summer run up to ohio and PA to visit the relatives, and I might just hitch a ride up with them and then rent a car for a bit. Miss somalia, but I could check out some of the porcfestivities, and when it's time to go, I could just slide down to boston and fly back. Probably going to do that. cheapest, and requires the least effort, plus I get to see some relatives.