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Title: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on April 30, 2019, 08:31 PM NHFT
I don't know any details beyond the news reports.

https://www.unionleader.com/news/crime/route-road-rage-ends-in-gunshot-wound-for-one-grafton/article_57053d6d-401d-526f-a17c-ca4de4283b17.html

https://www.wmur.com/article/one-man-charged-in-grafton-shooting/27317313
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 30, 2019, 09:44 PM NHFT
Well, that sucks.

""You don't bring a gun to a fistfight and gut-shoot someone," prosecutor Mariana Pastore said."

WTF, if you're already armed, are you supposed to say, "Wait a minute, you've punched me, let me go put my gun in my car so we my continue these fisticuffs."
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 01, 2019, 02:50 AM NHFT
Well, that sucks.

""You don't bring a gun to a fistfight and gut-shoot someone," prosecutor Mariana Pastore said."

WTF, if you're already armed, are you supposed to say, "Wait a minute, you've punched me, let me go put my gun in my car so we my continue these fisticuffs."

Yeah, that stood out to me.

Joe is a non-aggressive person. He's also a small guy. I don't know how big the other driver is (but FB pics show him as pretty chunky). Being punched in the face is deadly force, especially when there's a size disparity.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2019, 08:30 AM NHFT
A better, more balanced article Man charged in Grafton ‘road rage’ shooting pleads not guilty, is held without bail (https://www.vnews.com/Grafton-Man-Accused-in-Shooting-Arraigned-25219982)

This Jason Marandos (https://www.facebook.com/jason.marandos1) fellow is a Trump hater and maybe a SJW, Masshole (?)

From his Facebook page
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/q82/p370x247/21192735_1647116768634334_4709264904877216078_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=fe7fa1c29ccc3bfe29c0ed94d809c58e&oe=5D6F24E6)
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2019, 08:32 AM NHFT
Both the prosecutor and the judge seem to already believe he is guilty, when the only evidence they have is the word of the dudes wife.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2019, 01:16 PM NHFT
I keep thinking about this situation...

The cop decides that it was a minor assault. Or was it the opening salvo?
The cop might have shot the guy under a similar circumstance. "I was concerned he was going to continuing to attack and the fact there were two suspects they might gain control of my weapon, so I fired."

Loud mouth, large guy runs into your car, punches you... I can imagine he might even escalate more when you produce your weapon. "Go ahead and shot me... I'm not afraid of you, I'll kick your ass."
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 01, 2019, 10:28 PM NHFT
I put a little money on Joe's commissary account last night, and got a phone call from his mom this evening to thank me. It went to voicemail while I was out, but I will give her a call back tomorrow to ask if there's anything more that he needs.

Grafton County jail has very limited visitation. Joe added me, but I'm not going to take up any time that could be spent with his kids instead. I'll send him an old-fashioned snail mail letter instead.

If you want to contribute money:

http://www.graftoncountynhdoc.us/about.html

If you want to write:

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Only letters with the proper return address will be accepted.  Letters should be addressed as follows:
        (inmate's name)
        Grafton County Dept. of Corrections
        3787 Dartmouth College Highway
        North Haverhill, NH  03774
You MUST include your FULL first and last name along with a full return address in order for the letter to be accepted.  Letters without that will be returned to the sender.  Inmates can receive some pictures (no polaroids) but no other items should be included in the letter.  No packages will be accepted.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on May 04, 2019, 09:46 AM NHFT
yikes
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 04, 2019, 08:55 PM NHFT
Penny Dean is representing him.

I'm waiting to hear back if we should have a fundraiser.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 04, 2019, 09:16 PM NHFT
Nice job KB.

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 13, 2019, 01:35 AM NHFT
https://www.gofundme.com/joseph-brown-charged-for-act-of-self-defense
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 17, 2019, 01:51 AM NHFT
Joe's attorney is Penny Dean, who has a well deserved reputation as an excellent defender in self-defense cases.

She called me on Thursday and we spoke for about 30 minutes. She asked that anyone who knows Joe personally and wishes to vouch for his character, send a "to whom it may concern" letter that will be used to vouch for Joe's release on bail.

Being denied bail on the charge of first degree assault is almost unheard of in NH, especially for someone with no criminal record.

You don't need to know any details of the case (I certainly don't); you just need to know Joe.

Penny Dean
59 Warren St.
Concord NH 03301-3951

Hand-written is fine. I forced my slumbering ancient printer to wake up and do right, so that it would look all official since I invoked my "The Honorable" status.

Again, if you can drop a couple bucks to the defense fund:

https://www.gofundme.com/joseph-brown-charged-for-act-of-self-defense

Even if you can't, please drop a couple of bucks to his commissary account so that he can pay for phone calls to his children:

http://www.graftoncountynhdoc.us/about.html

Y'all know I worked the other side of the grey bars. I'm very aware of how the vendors screw over both the taxpayers and the inmates for massive profits. Keefe is the Grafton County vendor, and Keefe is probably the worst of them all.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on May 17, 2019, 06:11 AM NHFT
"Being denied bail on the charge of first degree assault is almost unheard of in NH, especially for someone with no criminal record."

This makes me wonder if the Judge has motivations other than justice and if the Prosecutor is scheming to come up with a stronger charge.   It's my understanding that the charges can be "upgraded" .

Grafton County Prosecution and Court has a "hair across it's ass" imho against liberty folk from Grafton.  Joe may be the whipping boy for others past interactions.   


 
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 17, 2019, 02:39 PM NHFT
Grafton County Prosecution and Court has a "hair across it's ass" imho against liberty folk from Grafton.  Joe may be the whipping boy for others past interactions.

There is also the possibility that the other guy is connected.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on May 18, 2019, 07:33 PM NHFT
Good point, that is among the possibilities.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 27, 2019, 10:13 AM NHFT
Any word on when they are going to have him in court?
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 30, 2019, 04:16 PM NHFT
Any word on when they are going to have him in court?

No hearing has been set yet. Just this morning, the judge denied the motion to release on bail without a hearing.

https://www.unionleader.com/news/crime/driver-shot-during-april-road-rage-on-route-had-it/article_b9bbfdad-246b-57da-8127-349077ac4918.html

Another thing I learned this week: the arresting officer is Mitch Briggs, son of Michael Briggs, the Manchester cop who was killed on duty. The younger Briggs works for Grafton part time and has not completed the police academy. When he does, Grafton will have two full time cops.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on May 30, 2019, 04:18 PM NHFT
Today's article also cites a witness who said the other driver was the aggressor. This is what all of us who know Joe already expected.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on June 09, 2019, 10:00 PM NHFT
Joe has a bail hearing at 9 a.m. Monday morning 6/10, at the Grafton courthouse in North Haverhill.

Short notice, but I intend to be there.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on June 10, 2019, 08:06 AM NHFT
 
If Joe was a cop he'd already have been found to have "feared for his life" and been back on the beat collecting revenue.   


 
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on June 10, 2019, 11:52 AM NHFT
 
If Joe was a cop he'd already have been found to have "feared for his life" and been back on the beat collecting revenue.   


 

Hell... he could have gone and shot the guys dog and burned his house to the ground as well!
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on June 11, 2019, 12:29 AM NHFT
The "bail hearing" turned out to not be one at all, even though that was the message left for Joe's attorney (she has the recording). There had to be some fit-throwing to even allow Joe to be "transported" the whole 500 yards from the jail to courtroom to even attend, for what turned out to nothing more than scheduling the trial date (8/20 for now), and an official request for a bail hearing (potentially July), along with attorney Penny Dean lodging her complaints about receiving discovery late, and on blank CDs.

Joe looked good, but of course we didn't get to talk.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: KBCraig on July 09, 2019, 10:48 PM NHFT
Bail denied.

Because of course: it's Grafton County.

I couldn't attend this actual bail hearing because of a work schedule conflict, but I was told privately that it was ridiculously obvious that the fix is in.

I knew that the day after the last non-hearing, when the prosecutor's office that din't know nuffin, was featured in the Valley News with cites to all kinds of witnesses who suddenly had complaints about Joe's driving.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 11, 2019, 12:01 AM NHFT
so I wonder what the next step is when the fix is in
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on September 03, 2019, 10:37 PM NHFT
I'm guessing his trial was postponed?
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on November 18, 2019, 12:43 PM NHFT
bump
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 18, 2019, 03:17 PM NHFT
bump

Found this article
https://www.vnews.com/Joe-Brown-Case-North-Haverhill-NH-29601513

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Brown is due next in the North Haverhill court for a final pretrial conference on Nov. 20.

https://www.vnews.com/Joe-Brown-Case-North-Haverhill-NH-29601513
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on November 18, 2019, 05:13 PM NHFT
Thanks for the update info. Mr. Sawyer.   The no bail thing is disconcerting, but not surprising given that he's a libertyish person from Grafton.

Interesting take from the prosecutor - "Pastore on Monday filed an objection to the motion to find the state in contempt, saying the defense fails to take into account the “logistical impracticality” of calling the lab every day to find out the status of the results, and she asked Judge Lawrence MacLeod to dismiss the complaint because it “is without merit by any measure.”     

It's like the prosecutor is trying to blame state bureaucracy for state incompetence, like the State's not a monolithic gang in this instance, but when the State prosecutes people the other side of it's mouth declares they act on behalf of "the whole state".

The Caanan Po Po camera footage is unavailable...I'm sure that's just a coincidence

Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 18, 2019, 05:49 PM NHFT
I guess we should just be revealed they didn't burn his compound house down
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on November 18, 2019, 07:21 PM NHFT
Nope, they didn't burn his house down, but while he's held without bail  (judges god complex?) , the oxymoronic "property tax" meter is still whirring away. 





     
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 18, 2019, 07:48 PM NHFT
Nope, they didn't burn his house down, but while he's held without bail  (judges god complex?) , the oxymoronic "property tax" meter is still whirring away. 





   

Too true.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 19, 2019, 07:53 AM NHFT
yea how long can they string this out
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on November 19, 2019, 08:24 PM NHFT
yea how long can they string this out


 "You have a right to a speedy trial...but we get to decide what speedy means"  -  them
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 20, 2019, 12:51 AM NHFT
Can you see this running more than a year?
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on November 21, 2019, 08:08 PM NHFT
Can you see this running more than a year?

 Don't know enough details to venture a guess how long the remaining legal circus will take, I'd be more concerned about after the circus if the state wins. 

The no bail thing sounds like legalese for "let's ram it up this guys ass" .
 
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 22, 2019, 06:50 AM NHFT
yea we almost have to assume that
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 22, 2019, 07:28 AM NHFT
From what I have seen "Prosecutors" are by definition assholes.

I Youtube gun guy I used to sometimes watch got busted with 1/2 ounce of pot and they threatened him with 30+ years in jail by stacking charges, He ended up having to take the plea deal of Intent to distribute. He got 60 days...They took 400k worth of guns and he can never touch a gun again.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 22, 2019, 11:33 PM NHFT
yea ... what sort of person seeks a "prosecutor" job?
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Free libertarian on November 23, 2019, 07:31 AM NHFT
In order to prosecute people for victimless crimes, one would have to be either delusional, ignorant, evil, blatantly hypocritical, an asshole or some combination thereof.

While it might seem like I'm just being mean, I mean that in a clinically self evident and demonstrably provable sense, sort of the way Robert Higgs describes "there are no good cops".  Although I'm not sure if asshole is really a clinical term, but anus just sounds medical and not quite applicable.

 
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 24, 2019, 01:22 AM NHFT
the other thing that strikes me .... is how they are ready to prosecute any charge that is levied against an "offender".
I was in court this week in Waco TX for a hearing on whether the judge would allow me to represent myself. When I looked over at the little prosecutor girl .... I thought "she has no idea the facts in this case and why I was charged with 'failure to identify'". She said the contact was another prosecutor .... she probably had no idea why we were there.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: WithoutAPaddle on November 26, 2019, 07:46 PM NHFT
From what I have seen "Prosecutors" are by definition assholes....

I may have had better luck with prosecutors than you have.  In traffic court, anyway.

1) I got pulled by a rookie Massachusetts state cop in the early 1980s with a headlight out, and unfortunately, I hadn't renewed my NH driver's license on time.  The cop wrote me up for both those offenses plus a noisy muffler ( I still had the receipt from its replacement two weeks earlier) and no insurance.

Everyone in that traffic court was "overcharged" so the prosecutor could agree to drop most if not all if you plead guilty to the only real charge, and he so offered.  I established a good rapport with him and he dropped one, and then the next, and then, when I went for the whole ball of wax, he said, "You know, you're pretty slick.  I bet you've been in trouble before".  I left there with one small fine.

2) I got pulled for speeding in Mass, again with no insurance plus an expired reg, but the "magistrate" basically coached me on what to say and they dropped everything but the speeding.

3) I got pulled in Arlington, Virginia on federal property for I don't remember what, and the cop discovered that my license to drive in Virginia had been suspended because I hadn't paid a breakdown lane violation fine a few years earlier.

The Federal prosecutor was a peach.  I mean, a real peach.   When I met with him, he gave me a politician's handshake and said, "Here's what we can do".  He said, "First, we'll drop 'this one' because everyone gets a deal here, and then, lets see what we can do about 'that one' ".

Here is where I got a legal education.  I was written up for driving with a suspended license, but as he recapitulated the facts, he seemed to misunderstand, saying that I was actually driving without a license, and I thought, "Hell no!  I'll be in deep shit if I had no license", so he listened to me patiently and then said, again, "OK, so you were driving without a license", and I said no, that my license was suspended, and I thought, "Man, is he thick!", and I tried again, but then he tried again. and said, "If someone is driving with a suspended license then they are violating an explicit Court Order and that can involve jail time, whereas if they are simply driving without a license, then the penalty is less, so, 'YOU WERE DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE, RIGHT?' "  And I realized I had been the dummy and said, "Right" and got off with a fine instead of a jail sentence.

4) I got pulled in Maryland for driving a van that the rear license plate had been stolen from that morning, and, sure enough, the reg was expired, too and I only had my old insurance card, not my current one, and the jerk cop wrote it up as driving uninsured rather than failure to produce proof of insurance, and added two other whoop-de-doo charges as well.

When I got to court, I was the only white person in the courtroom.  No exaggeration.  The only one.  I told the Black prosecutor that I was insured but just didn't have my current insurance card with me, because I had changed insurance companies recently and did not realize that my new carrier issued them for six months rather than for a year, and offered him both the one that encompassed the date of the offense as well as the older one, and I showed him my current, New Hampshire registration and mentioned that I was not a stickler on making sure that my proof of insurance card was current because insurance is not mandatory in New Hampshire, and he looked at the cards but didn't understand them and said, "So you've gotten insurance since then?" and I said, "No, I had insurance all along", and he twisted up his face, not understanding what I was saying and said,  "As long as you have insurance now, we can nol process all of this and we can send you on your way".  I mean, he was acting like he felt bad about having inconvenienced me, and they made me the first case "heard" that session even though I was in the middle of the docket, and they swept the three real violations under the rug along with the overcharged one.

I know that's traffic court, but still, I was treated with kid gloves by the prosecutor every time.  I sure hope I get treated like that if I ever do anything serious.  Being white, my odds are of course better than if I were non-white.

Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 26, 2019, 07:58 PM NHFT
Your right about being white...
Also being articulate is a big plus.

I have benefited from cops letting me drive away because they knew if they started writing me up it was going to be multiple charges that would really screw me.

Of course that doesn't compare to the old days where I often never even had to show my license cause I started rapping before they got to that stage.

Those days are over... They are all about collecting data points these days.
Title: Re: Maineshark in jail, 4/29/19
Post by: Russell Kanning on November 26, 2019, 09:33 PM NHFT
that was the only thing I had going for me in court last week. I was the only one who spoke loud enough .... in English ... so the judge could understand me. :)