Found this website with lots of liberty quotes. Might come in handy.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/
Funny thing Alan, I already have that site book marked! Thanks thought for posting it.
JP
Have you seen this one?
http://libertarianquotes.com
Thanks for the link 8)
Quote from: katdillon on February 04, 2005, 06:54 AM NHFT
Have you seen this one?
http://libertarianquotes.com
Yes. I have a CD of his.
JP
Oh ya? Is that some rockin music man?
Quote from: katdillon on February 04, 2005, 07:32 AM NHFT
Oh ya? Is that some rockin music man?
No, he reads quotes with background music.... take a look at the website.
JP
Just came across this one:
The man who prefers his country before any other duty shows the same spirit
as the man who surrenders every right to the state. They both deny that
right is superior to authority. -Lord Acton, historian (1834-1902)
When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more
hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever
been committed in the name of rebellion.
-C.P. Snow, scientist and writer
(1905-1980)
Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. -- Benjamin Franklin
Responsibility, not to a superior, but to one's conscience, the awareness of a duty not exacted by compulsion, the necessity to decide which of the things one values are to be sacrificed to others, and to bear the consequences of one's own decision, are the very essence of any morals which deserve the name.
— Friedrich A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom [1944]
Start the argument where it starts: I have the right to do what ever the hell I want to my own body, if it kills me slowly, happy for me, fuck you, "clack clack" (miming a pump-action shotgun) stop me!
_ Doug Stanhope
Unnecessary laws are not good laws, but traps for money.
--Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan, 1651
"A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader."
- Samuel Adams
If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have
privacy.
-Phil Zimmermann,
cryptographer (1954- )
"We artists are indestructible; even in a prison, or in a concentration camp. I would be almighty in my own world of art, even if I had to paint my pictures with my wet tongue on the dusty floor of my cell." — Pablo Picasso
And here we come to the vital distinction between the advocacy of temperance and the advocacy of prohibition. Temperance and self-control are convertible terms. Prohibition, or that which it implies, is the direct negation of the term self-control. In order to save the small percentage of men who are too weak to resist their animal desires, it aims to put chains on every man, the weak and the strong alike. And if this is proper in one respect, why not in all respects? Yet, what would one think of a proposition to keep all men locked up because a certain number have a propensity to steal?
— Percy Andreae, "A Glimpse behind the Mask of Prohibition" [1915]
"If government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question." -- unknown
In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there's available... in America right now."
Merle Haggard
Quote from: Pat K on November 15, 2009, 12:22 AM NHFT
In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there's available... in America right now."
Merle Haggard
Dayumm. Bitter truth.
I love The Hagg. Got a reference for that one?
Quote from: KBCraig on November 15, 2009, 04:25 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on November 15, 2009, 12:22 AM NHFT
In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there's available... in America right now."
Merle Haggard
Dayumm. Bitter truth.
I love The Hagg. Got a reference for that one?
Salon article (http://dir.salon.com/story/people/bc/2000/11/14/haggard/index.html) Page 3
Full quote:
"Look at the past 25 years -- we went downhill, and if people don't realize it, they don't have their fucking eyes on," says Haggard. "In 1960, when I came out of prison as an ex-convict, I had more freedom under parolee supervision than there's available to an average citizen in America right now. I mean, there was nobody going to throw you down on the side of the road spread-eagled, and look up your butt for a fucking marijuana cigarette. God almighty, what have we done to each other?"
Do not consider Collectivists as sincere but deluded idealists. The proposal to enslave some men for the sake of others is not an ideal; brutality is not idealistic, no matter what its purpose. Do not ever say that the desire to do good by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives.
— Ayn Rand, The Vigil [1946]
For the majority of people liberty means only the system and the administrators they are used to.
— Albert Jay Nock, Selected Letters of Albert Jay Nock [1962]
Where politicians flourish, long history has harshly taught us, people and their liberty wither. Where the state is god and the "public interest" worshiped, individual man will be found bleeding upon the altar."
Karl Hess
I was looking for the Ghandi qoute about firearms and self defense not bieng immoral/bad. All I've got so far is this:
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
Mohandas Gandhi
Does anyone know if that's it, or is there a more specific one?
That's the one I've heard.
Ok, that helps. I work with a woman whose son got in trouble at school for fighting back when someone started a fight with him and I wanted to eloquently convey that I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and that Ghandi himself had conveyed that point. If that's not on the right track, let me know.
Wikiquote sources that one as: Gandhi, An Autobiography, p. 446 (Beacon Press paperback edition).
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ghandi (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ghandi)
Hoping for a Christmas miracle..... :fingerscrossed: :-\
QuoteThe State can protect and promote the interests of its sick, or potentially sick, citizens in one of two ways only: either by coercing physicians, and other medical and paramedical personnel, to serve patients — as State-owned slaves in the last analysis, or by creating economic, moral, and political circumstances favorable to a plentiful supply of competent physicians and effective drugs.
— Thomas Szasz, "The Right to Health" [1969]
Quote"If joy and wonder, and a beautiful, indomitable existence are what we want, we need to try to achieve this here and now in rebellious defiance against all domination, eradicating the logic of submission from our lives, and our relationships and our revolutionary struggle - for the destruction of politics and the creation of life without measure."
- Wolfi Landstreicher, 'Against the Logic of Submission'
"I didn't know I was a slave until I found out I couldn't do the things I wanted." ~ Frederick Douglass
The terrific urge to prevent another person from making a "mistake" must be resisted if liberty is to be preserved. The "protective spirit" that leads a fond parent to prohibit his child from acquiring mature judgments, as he substitutes his own opinions for those of the child, leads the dictator to act as he does in "protecting" his political children.
— F.A. Harper
On oldie but a goodie.
"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as
necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful
rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the
people, which produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest
republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to
discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of
government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"All living souls welcome whatever they are ready to cope with; all else
they ignore, or pronounce to be monstrous and wrong, or deny to be
possible."
-George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)
"The best way to be more free is to grant more freedom to others."
-Carlo Dossi, author and diplomat (1849-1910)
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." –Plato
Quote from: Silent_Bob on January 25, 2010, 03:04 PM NHFT
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." –Plato
"One of the penalties for participating in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." –Sam A. Robrin
"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological
personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the
corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a
condition to which they are quickly addicted."
Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune
Quote from: geoff on December 17, 2009, 08:35 AM NHFT
Ok, that helps. I work with a woman whose son got in trouble at school for fighting back when someone started a fight with him and I wanted to eloquently convey that I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and that Ghandi himself had conveyed that point. If that's not on the right track, let me know.
Did Gandhi physically fight back?
it makes sense that he would not condone the british rules against guns and such .... but he would not advocate using them, if you want to live in a non-violent society.
You can find self defense quotes pretty much everywhere other than from him.
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from opposition; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach himself." ~Thomas Paine
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Quote from: MTPorcupine3 on January 25, 2010, 02:41 PM NHFT
"All living souls welcome whatever they are ready to cope with; all else
they ignore, or pronounce to be monstrous and wrong, or deny to be
possible."
-George Santayana, philosopher (1863-1952)
"The best way to be more free is to grant more freedom to others."
-Carlo Dossi, author and diplomat (1849-1910)
Great quotes :)
Albert Guerard's essay for Edward R. Murrow's "This I Believe" program. It's a good read, but go here (http://thisibelieve.org/essay/16594/) to both read it and listen to the audio. It's short, just a few minutes.
The line that caught my attention:
"My country right or wrong," is the most insidious of blasphemies. It means thou shalt have no other God beside thy country, not even God.
During one of Ayn Rand's speeches someone in an audience pointed out that she was foreign-born.
"That's right," she said. "I chose to become an American. What did you do besides being born?"
Here are a bunch of great quotes, some familiar, some not, that I just lifted from a Facebook friend's page.
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"Our sky is the shore of the cosmic ocean"
- Carl Sagan
"The greater the continent of knowledge,
the longer the shore of mystery"
- Huston Smith
"Question the boldness, even the existence of God,
because if there be one, he must more approve of the
homage of reason than that of blind faith."
- Thomas Jefferson
"...one is absolutely sickened, not by the crimes that
the wicked have committed, but by the punishments
that the good have inflicted."
- Oscar Wilde
"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes.
- James Morrow
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."
- Mark Twain
"Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule – and both commonly succeed, and are right."
- H.L. Mencken
"Never attribute to malice
what can be explained by stupidity"
- Robert A. Heinlein
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
- Gandhi
"The best defense of our country is to keep it at all
times WORTH defending."
- Sam Levenson
"When buying and selling are controlled by Washington,
the first things to be bought and sold are politicians."
- P.J. O'Rourke
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
will make violent revolution inevitable."
President John F. Kennedy
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
- Ronald Reagan
During one of Ayn Rand's speeches someone in an audience pointed out that she was foreign-born.
"That's right," she said. "I chose to become an American. What did you do besides being born?"
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.
- Jack Handy
"It's a pity that things weren't arranged so that an empty head, like an empty stomach,
would not let us rest until we put something in it."
- Red Gray
"I am made from the dust of the stars, and the oceans flow in my veins"
– Peart of Rush"PrestoNeil"
"Without love, breath is just a clock ticking"
- Equilibrium
"No government has the right to decide on the truth of scientific principles, nor to prescribe in any way the character of the questions investigated. Neither may a government determine the aesthetic value of artistic creations, nor limit the forms of literacy or artistic expression. Nor should it pronounce on the validity of economic, historic, religious, or philosophical doctrines. Instead it has a duty to its citizens to maintain the freedom, to let those citizens contribute to the further adventure and the development of the human race."
— Richard P. Feynman
"I am not the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds, I am not a sacrifice on their altars" – Ayn Rand
"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."
-Robert A. Heinlein, science-fiction author (1907-1988)
What would New Hampshire be without Free Staters?
Quote from: MTPorcupine3 on July 11, 2010, 11:49 AM NHFT"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."
-Robert A. Heinlein, science-fiction author (1907-1988)
What would New Hampshire be without Free Staters (and other liberty-lovers)?
[bold-face added]
Massachusetts?
Joe
"The state represents violence in a concentrated and organized form.
The individual has a soul, but as the state is a soulless machine,
it can never be weaned from violence to which it owes its very existence."
-- Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi
"Better beans and bacon in peace than cakes and ale in fear".
- Aesop
I like it!
Few men desire liberty: The majority are satisfied with a just master.
-- Sallust
To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction, noted, registered, enrolled, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, trained, ransomed, exploited, monopolized, extorted, squeezed, mystified, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, despised, harassed, tracked, abused, clubbed, disarmed, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and, to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality.
— Pierre-Joseph Proudhon,
General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century [1923]
"Liberty is the Mother, not the Daughter of Order"
same guy
"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error."~ Robert H. Jackson
"It is a policeman's duty to protect men from criminals -- criminals being those who seize wealth by force. It is a policeman's duty to retrieve stolen property and return it to its owners. But when robbery becomes the purpose of the law, and the policeman's duty becomes, not the protection, but the plunder of property -- then it is an outlaw who has to become a policeman."
-- Ayn Rand
And that time is now.