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Title: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: NH_Geek on March 03, 2006, 11:59 AM NHFT
Funeral services for the US Constitution and Bill of Rights will be held at 12:30pm in the Central Square of Keene, NH.
The procession will start at noon and circle the downtown area until 12:30 when the service will start.

A wake will be held afterwards for planning our liberation.



Original Post

Hey all,

long time lurker here...  I've posted on the FSP's baords and FTL's boards under this same name, so I might not be a complete stranger to some.

So, after reading about the Patriot Act getting renewed, and the fact that many of the provisions are going to be permenant, the thought occured to me that the Constitution, as the Founding Fathers envisioned it, is dead.  D E A D.  To paraphrase Monty Python...

"It's passed on! This Constitution is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet it's maker!
It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! ... It's just a goddamn piece 'o paper!  THIS, SIR, IS AN EX-CONSTITUTION!!"

So, I propose we hold a funeral for our dearly departed friend. 

thoughts?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 03, 2006, 12:02 PM NHFT
heh, replying to myself here...

some more random thoughts:

black armbands...

RIP Bill  (as in Bill of Rights)
Title: Benson was a Patriot Act using cock sucker!
Post by: president on March 03, 2006, 01:50 PM NHFT
I knew there are good reasons to hate Benson.  >:(


http://www.jail4judges.org/JHS_Library/2006/JHS%202006-02-08.html
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Illegally Arrested As a "Terrorist"
Under The U.S. Patriot Act

(By Peter MacDonald - FreedominNH@aol.com)

----- Original Message -----
From: FreedominNH@aol.com
To: victoryusa@jail4judges.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:26 AM
Subject: facts
 
I, am a club member, but also one of your constant viewers   ....  A Madbury, New Hampshire family (strangers to me) called me on the phone.  They were having a zoning issue problem and wanted me to help them.  Their lawyers had depleted their savings and hung them out to dry.  They read my letters to the editor and asked me for help.  It seemed that the Madbury, N.H. elected officials were trying to run this family out of Madbury.
 
I went to court with this family before Judge Peter Fauver in Strafford Superior Court who made me the attorney of record to represent this family. ....
 
I took the case to the N.H. Supreme Court.  This court, knowing all the criminal violations of the N.H. and United States Constitutions, ruled the Case “Moot”.  .... Judge Fauver made a statement in court that “Attorneys take an oath to protect each others character and that oath will not be violated in his court”  The N.H. Supreme Court ruling clearly honored this illegal, biased, and criminal act. 
I took the case to the First District Court in Concord N.H.  Federal Judge McAuliffe ruled that judges have immunity from criminal acts made by their decisions.  Discrimination is a criminal violation of our Constitution.  Judge Fauver ruled it was legal for the Madbury government to use the power intrusted in them by the voters to seek personal revenge against other citizens.
 
The N.H. Supreme Court ruled in favor of Judge Fauver.  Now a federal judge rules to protect other judges.  A judge’s first act in all decisions from the bench must be to protect the Constitutional rights of all citizens against abusive government acts.  I fought this case to the First Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston.  They ruled the case the same.
The N.H. State police came to my house to order me to stop representing this Madbury N.H. family. I did not. The N.H. State Police then came to my house a second time and arrested me under the U.S. Patriot Act.
 
I am now declared to be a Terrorist because I dared to defy the government's orders to stop representing a fellow American who is exposing corrupt government actions. I was arrested and placed in jail as a Terrorist for 6 months. 
 
Governor Benson, N.H., wrote the Veterans Hospital to declare that I was a Terrorist, and that they were to have my V.A. medical benefits discontinued. I wrote Governor Benson to ask why he would do such a criminal act.  I was arrested again a placed back in jail for speaking out.
 
Our Constitution guarantees its citizens the right to petition our public officials for redress of grievances at any time and that right can not be diminished even by a judge. ....
 
Peter MacDonald
465 Packersfalls Rd
Lee, N.H. 03824
(603) 659-6217
FreedominNH@aol.com
Former Sgt., USMC

More details....

http://www.robertbrantley.com/story/2006/2/10/102041/215
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by Anonymous Hero on Fri Feb 10, 2006 at 11:52:49 AM EST
I just want to make the facts clear to everybody.

This Madbury NH family called me on the phone in response to letters to the editor that I write to the local newspapers. I did not know this family. This family was strangers to me. They had a car business which the town of Madbury was taking them to court to close down. I agreed to talk with this family. They were the nicest family. I then went to the Madbury NH town hall to talk with the selectmen. Madbury selectman Hodsdon stated to me in the presence of others that they the town of Madbury was doing this for personal revenge because he did not like this family. In checking the records he has done this to others in my opinion. Hodsdon did not deny this reason for this action under oath. The town was trying to bankrupt this family to drive them out of Madbury. Judge Fauver allowed this to continue.

I went to court with this family. I asked the judge if I could talk in court for this family. Judge Fauver stated I did not have the character to speak in his court. At the next court hearing judge Fauver had what I would call exparta communication with the Madbury town attorney then came back and appointed me as an attorney under a little used NH law. I have no training to be an attorney. I am 100% service connected Mentally and Physically disabled I believe Judge Fauver made me an attorney to have legal recourse to knowingly harm me. This proved to be true when Judge Fauver found me guilty of a crime with no charges, no witnesses, no trial, and no evidence. Judge Fauver fined me over $20,000.00. I continued to help this family.

I received a head injury my first year in the Marine Corps. I remember nothing prior to my 17 birthday even to this day. Because of an Admin error I was allowed to stay in the MC. I forget things, fail to understand simple things that happen around me, and I have never been to law school. I have a broken back from stopping a diesel engine falling off a truck from hitting one of my men during an offensive in the Vietnam Conflict. I have a loss of hearing in both ears from being blown of the runway during an offensive in the Vietnam Conflict. I do not act disabled, but judge Fauver was clearly aware of my disabilities because I told him.

I surprised Judge Fauver when I presented a clear and uncontested case. The Town attorney even proved the case for this Madbury family. Fauver ruled for the town by violating the NH and U.S. Constitutions 29 plus or minus times. Judge Fauver knowingly allowed the town of Madbury to us the powers of the government to seek personal revenge on citizens. He allowed Spot zoning "Discrimination". Fauver committed Constitutional crimes with intent to cause harm.

I appealed the case and it was assigned to Judge James O'Neill in Carroll county superior court. O'Neill heard all the evidence presented by me. The facts were clear and uncontested by the town of Madbury. I stated and verified 29 +or- Constitutional crimes that judge Fauver committed or allowed others to commit with his knowledge. O'Neill ruled Fauver's rulings were "Constitutional". Judges protecting the character of a brother attorney as Judge Fauver stated in open court that "Attorneys take an oath to protect the character of brother attorneys and in his court that oath will not be violated". Did these judges forget the law that states "Any one constitutional right of any one individual can not be violated or that government must be abolished and a new one started"? These judges and the Madbury NH town government knowingly with intent to cause harm violated the Constitution 29 plus or minus times These are crimes of the highest magnitude.

I appealed the case to the NH Supreme court case 2003-0477. This court ruled the case Moot. The facts were clear and uncontested. This court clearly did not care about the prime reason that the NH Supreme court exists. To see that the government does not violated any constitutional rights of any citizen. The NH Supreme court violated the law and the very reason they exist. They committed the act of "Discrimination" To protect brother attorneys and not all other citizens.

I appealed the case to the federal court. Discrimination violates our United States Constitution. The first ten Amendments to the U.S. Const. were also violated. Judge McAuliffe whom served with these NH judges ruled Judges have immunity from crimes committed with their decisions. This is a crime to rule some people are immune from laws that others are found guilty of in this very court. Our Constitution clearly states we are all equal. No Judge or government official is above the law as the NH judges believe they are. Now a federal judge whom served with these judges that he is now protecting makes a discriminating ruling to protect these judges and government officials and harming other citizens.

I appeal the case to the United States court of appeals Boston case Number 05-1433. They rule judges are immune. Each step of the way I am being charged money to file my cases. I know the Constitution grants every citizen the right to a trial when harmed. I know the constitution does not grant judges or friends of the court immunity when they violate the Constitution even with their decisions. These judges dismiss the case with no court trial. To charge me money to have a trial then not allow the trial is fraud.

I appeal this decision to the United States Supreme court. The Supreme Court rules that I did not follow proper procedure "case dismissed". I am 100% disabled United States Marine. I do not have the mental or physical ability to remember and or understand the procedures. The court made me an attorney with the clear knowledge of my disabilities. Each court was and is aware of these facts. Under the Americans with disabilities act the courts must make the rules equal. The Courts made me an attorney to represent fellow American citizens to take advantage of my disabilities this is discrimination. I have filed a discrimination motion against Chief Justice John Roberts of the United States Supreme Court on February 6, 2003. If any person wants to a copy of the motion I will give it to them. The newspapers refuse to report the facts because I am Mentally and Physically disabled. I can understand they do not want to reveal that even with my disabilities I will not let abusive government act to continue. Is the Supreme Court immune from a charge of Discrimination?

We this very day have good men and women fighting on foreign soil to protect and defend the very rights being violated here. People whom never served in our military lawyers made judges feel they can diminish the rights of individuals to give themselves more power. I watched good men loose their lives. I will not dishonor all the men and women that are or will be called veterans by sitting back and allowing these crimes to continue.

The NH government could not shut me up so they locked me up under the Patriot Act. I lost my freedom for 6 months. I was a declared terrorist. The NH state police go to my wife's work place last month to scare her to get me to stop. The NH State police call me on the phone a few weeks ago to order me to stop having people send the governor e-mails. The NH government has intimidated my family, they take my freedom, cost me a lot of money, destroyed my character in the public eye, and much more. I believe that MY country comes first, My family comes second, and My self last.

Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC "Semper Fi"
465 Packersfalls Rd Lee NH 03824
603-659-6217

Please send emails to the following addresses and ask them to help.
Governorlynch@NH.gov
letters@unionleader.com
news@cmonitor.com
letters@globe.com
newstips@bostonherald.com


Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 03, 2006, 01:59 PM NHFT
Sounds good.  We could make a big facsimile of the constitution in a coffin and parade it around.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 03, 2006, 02:06 PM NHFT
dead president - that's exactly what I'm talking about!  While that accounting does illustrate the current reality of life here in the Republic of Bush, and rightly pisses most (if not all) of us off, it doesn't exactly relate to my topic, does it?  I'm trying to open a discussion about the feasibility, effectiveness and possibly organization of a mock funeral for the constitution as a protest.  I'd like to see if there's any interest in such a demonstration, discuss details such as location (Arlington Nation Cemetary?) and timing and basically hear what others had to say about this idea.  Not to knock your contribution, but stay on topic please...
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: president on March 03, 2006, 02:11 PM NHFT
Oh, then to answer your question....NO. The constitution has been dead for a long time.

Why don't you have a funeral for something that died more recently, like the FSP?

Oh, nevermind, they already had that June 19, 2004.  :P

Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 03, 2006, 02:16 PM NHFT
Sounds good.  We could make a big facsimile of the constitution in a coffin and parade it around.
exactly!  I'm thinking something along the lines of a procession (more somber sounding that "parade"...) leading to an actual cemetary where a mock funeral is held.  Would have even more impact if we actually BURIED a coffin with a copy on the "goddamn piece of paper" in it...  Would make my friggin' century if we did this in D.C and marched into the Arlington National Cemetary and help the "funeral" there...  Only downside to that is it would negate the possibility of actually breaking ground and burying anything, so I dunno...
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 03, 2006, 02:22 PM NHFT
Oh, then to answer your question....NO. The constitution has been dead for a long time.
when was the funeral...  :P

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Why don't you have a funeral for something that died more recently, like the FSP?
because Joe Citizen in Deluth, Minnesota couldn't care less (and probably doesn't even know about) the FSP.  But the Constitution (and Bill of Rights) is a much more familiar face, and the message that "The Constitution is Dead" might actually impact some people...

Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 03, 2006, 02:23 PM NHFT
Well, if we do it in NH, it's more likely to happen.  Also maybe we could also do it somewhere where we could actually dig a hole in the ground.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: president on March 03, 2006, 02:31 PM NHFT
Why don't you burn the constitution instead?

You know, cremation. You guys should pay me.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 03, 2006, 03:00 PM NHFT
Well, if we do it in NH, it's more likely to happen.  Also maybe we could also do it somewhere where we could actually dig a hole in the ground.
agree on both points...  Definately more likely to happen in NH, and digging at Arlington wouldn't be possible.  Even though a mock funeral sans digging would get more attention at Arlington, I do think this demonstration will make more of an impact if we actually bury something.  I'm torn, however...  Arlington has so much symbolic value, but it has it's limitations...

I admit that I have zero experience organizing something like this.  Up till now I've limited my protesting to bitching amongst friends and an occasional post on a message board.  I've decided it's time for me to more than just bitch, and this idea is just my first step in that direction...
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 03, 2006, 03:02 PM NHFT
Well, if you decide on a place and time...put it on the calendar and people will show up :)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Dreepa on March 03, 2006, 04:50 PM NHFT
Prez,

Do you know anything about the guy above?
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Chief Justice John Roberts of the United States Supreme Court on February 6, 2003

He has his facts wrong or the date wrong.
Are you going to help this guy out?

NHGeek.
I am sure you would be arrested in Arlington Nat Cemetary.  Also I don't know if you are going to get sympathy from 'the masses' if you have a protest at ANC.

I think NH might be the place to do this.    September 18th might be a good day for this.
http://www.constitutionday.com/
Plus it gives you plently of time to make a huge demostration of this.  Although you may not want to wait so long.

Glad to see you are now 'acting' instead of just bitchin' and moanin'.

Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: president on March 03, 2006, 05:04 PM NHFT
Prez,

Do you know anything about the guy above?
The stuff I just posted.
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Chief Justice John Roberts of the United States Supreme Court on February 6, 2003

He has his facts wrong or the date wrong.
I would guess that is a date issue. It should be 2006. Everything else is 2006.

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Are you going to help this guy out?
Yea, I am telling you guys about him.

http://battellemedia.com/archives/001130.php#comment_20013
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This document was filed with the United States courts. I take full responsibility for any thing said in it. It is all true. You may print my name address and phone #



Judicial Council
Of the First Circuit
February 12, 2006 Peter Macdonald 465 Packersfalls rd Lee NH 03824 603-659-6217

Complaint No 420 U. S. court of appeals NO 05-1433
Chief Circuit Judge Boudin
Petition for review

Now Comes; Peter Macdonald and so clearly states, when a United States natural born citizen files discrimination and other constitutional complaints against sitting judges (whom took an oath to ?Protect the character of brothers members of the American Bar Association? that these so mentioned judges did knowingly with intent to cause harm violate the United States Constitution and the New Hampshire Constitution) this complaint must be heard by an impartial jury. NH Const. Part First Art. 35 ?It is essential to the preservation of the rights of every individual? ?It is the right of every citizen to be tried by judges as impartial as the lot of humanity will admit?. Every judge and court that has ruled on this case clearly knows that I am 100% mentally and physically service connected disabled United States Marine. The court clearly understands that I do not have the mental or physical ability to understand or remember the rules of law of the court. Judge Fauver made me a lawyer for the sole purpose of taking advantage of my disabilities so he could rule in friends of the courts favor. All the courts are well aware of this intentional act of discrimination by Judge Fauver. The court is aware that Judge Fauver committed or allowed others (friends of the court) to commit 29 +or- Constitutional crimes. Judge James O?Neill heard a clear and uncontested record of these crimes and ruled that Judges Fauver?s rulings were ?Constitutional? Clearly to protect the character of a brother attorney. These were uncontested facts and O?Neill still ruled in the friends of the court favor. The NH Supreme Court clearly had documented and stated case of these constitutional crimes uncontested and ruled the case ?Moot? case # 2003-0477 to protect brother attorneys. These were uncontested facts and the NHSC still ruled in the friends of the court favor. Judge McAuliffe of United States District Court Concord NH had a copy of the NH Supreme Court case and a petition clearly explaining said Constitutional crimes. Judge McAuliffe ruled Judges have ?Immunity from constitutional crimes committed with their decision?. This criminal act is a clear and uncontested act of discrimination to inflict intentional harm on United States Citizens. Intentional discrimination committed by judges can not be tolerated. Before the colonist would ratify the constitution a documented recorded statement was made that ?any one constitutional right of any one individual can not be violated or that government must be abolished and a new one started?. The court of appeals made a discriminatory ruling violating the Constitution by stating judges are immune and dismissing the case. Now Chief Circuit Judge Boudin dismisses the case. Judges are bound to obey the law. This criminal act of intentional discrimination can not be tolerated. These judges also violated the Americans with disabilities act with intent to cause harm.
NH Constitution Part First art. 14 ?Every subject of this state is entitled to a certain remedy, by having recourse to the laws?. This is a Constitutional law. These judges have inflicted injury on this innocent Madbury NH family and my person, property and character with intent to cause harm and the judicial branch of the government has become perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual. Judges are protecting judges knowingly inflicting harm of natural born citizens of the United States. I have clearly stated and prove it. This is a criminal act of intentional discrimination and no judge is above the law as your ruling states.
The Madbury NH government clearly did not deny under oath that they were using the power entrusted in them by the voters to seek personal revenge on a Madbury NH family. This Madbury NH family when the courts would not listen to them and the lawyers representing them depleted all their money asked me for help. I volunteer my time to help fellow American citizens because I came back from a conflict alive and I should not have. I took and oath when I joined the United States Marine Corps to Protect and Defend the United States Constitution with my life if necessary.
The NH Government in 1999 clearly stated to the people ?Today the fight for individual rights will most likely take place in a courtroom or on the letters to the editor page of a local newspaper, rather than on a battlefield?. The courts clearly show they can not be trusted to violate the oath to protect brother attorneys and up hold the rights guaranteed every individual by the United States Constitution. This is Discrimination. The Newspapers refuse to print the truth because they either believe a mentally and physically handicapped United States Marine can not know what he is saying. Does this leave the Battle field? 1999-2000 NH Const. Booklet page 22
We the People have to believe that the United States Judicial branch of government will protect every individual. This contemptible, discriminating, biased, ruling by Chief Circuit Judge Boudin must be over turned. Judges can not dismiss a case, for the sole act to protect a brother judge. A unbiased 12 ordinary citizens jury must judge the facts. This is a guaranteed Constitutional right, further NH Const. Part Two art 5 ?so the same be not repugnant or contrary to this constitution? Art. 90 ?Existing laws continue if not repugnant? For the Judges in this case to make rules or laws to protect the interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men, brings me to NH constitution Part First art. 10 I ask the court why should violence be necessary?
Where fore; I have followed the constitutional procedures to bring this case to court. Each step of the way the courts discriminate to protect friends of the court. I have filed a ?Redress of Wrongs? with the NH government and was arrested under the Patriot Act and lost my freedom for 6 months. I have attempted to have the newspapers inform the public. They refuse claiming liability, and other selfish reasons. The NH Government clearly tells me a battlefield is next. We live in a civilized society violence should not be necessary. What does the court believe that I should do next?
I certify a copy has been made available to all parties concerned.
I respectfully submit this document. I hope the court stop violating the constitution and returns the rights to We the people.


Peter Macdonald Sgt USMC ?Semper Fi? Submitted this 16 day of February 2006

A copy is mailed to the United States Supreme Court, NH governor, newspapers and others.

I ask every one whom reads this court document to tell your friends and e-mail this to:
 letters@fosters.com
 writeus@unionleader.com
 news@cmontior.com
 Newstips@bostonherald.com
 letters@globe.com
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 03, 2006, 05:11 PM NHFT
And the media side of the story:

Man charged with threatening Benson  (http://www.seacoastonline.com/2003news/09172003/news/50559.htm)

By Associated Press

LEE - A man involved in a local zoning dispute has been arraigned on charges of harassment and making threats, including dozens of letters to Gov. Craig Benson.

"You can take me as a prisoner of war or allow my next move," authorities say Peter MacDonald wrote in a letter received by the governor?s office on Sept. 12, Fosters Daily Democrat reported Tuesday. "Whatever it is? I do not care."

State police arrested MacDonald, 51, of Lee, on Saturday after Attorney General Peter Heed decided that threatening messages repeatedly sent to Benson could not be ignored.

MacDonald was held on $50,000 bail and a trial was scheduled for Nov. 25 in Concord District Court on the two misdemeanor charges. He is being held at the Merrimack County jail.

State police met with MacDonald on several occasions after his letters and e-mails began.

"We have alleged in the complaint that it is a series of letters taken together which constitute a threat," said Assistant Attorney General Elizabeth Dunn.

Authorities say MacDonald wrote dozens of letters to the governor, state legislators, local officials, and local newspapers since last October, trying to draw attention to a zoning dispute with the town of Madbury, Fosters reported.

In the earliest letters, the attorney general?s office said MacDonald made references to Carl Drega, who shot and killed four people in Colebrook in 1997.

In more recent letters, the Vietnam veteran warned he would arm a militia to take over the state, though he often told police he did not intend to use violence.

"You know our government took a 17-year old kid and trained him to kill," authorities say MacDonald wrote in an Aug. 28 letter to Benson. "I took an oath to die if need be defending and protecting our Constitution. I guess our governor and draft-dodging judges don?t realize the lengths people will go to defend America."

In a Sept. 6 e-mail sent to the governor, MacDonald allegedly wrote: "It seems that the only way to get anyone to recognize the vast Constitutional crimes being committed here in New Hampshire is to shoot a gun. This way you can claim I am nuts and wash it all away."

Dunn said if MacDonald posts bail, he must undergo a psychiatric examination in addition to immediately reporting to a probation office.

He also must stay at least 500 feet away from the governor and the governor?s office, members of the Legislature and their offices, the attorney general, the Strafford and Carroll County superior courts, members of Madbury?s Board of Selectmen and Zoning Board of Adjustment, the Madbury town attorney, and the offices of Fosters.

MacDonald was fined $21,000 after representing a Madbury family in a zoning dispute argued in Strafford County Superior Court. The family sued the town after it ruled a garage on their property was improperly used for commercial purposes.

MacDonald, who earned the nickname "Tent Man" during a wetlands dispute with the town of Lee in which he was forced to remove a canopy from his property, volunteered to help the couple in court, though he is not an attorney. A judge ruled that MacDonald essentially wasted the courts time in filing several frivolous motions and fined him.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: president on March 03, 2006, 05:19 PM NHFT
"We have alleged in the complaint that it is a series of letters taken together which constitute a threat," said Assistant Attorney General Elizabeth Dunn.
WTF?  "a serries of letters taken together constitute a threat"
Did they have to bust out a decoder ring?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 03, 2006, 06:52 PM NHFT
Brainstorming going on here about this idea.  We're talking about affixing a coffin to the top of our van and having a funeral procession with car lights on, flyers in the window with tombstone + constitution.  People who agreed would be encouraged to turn their lights on for the day. 

We could even advertise it ahead of time in our newspaper if it was being done in this area.

Russell suggested doing it as a Sons of Liberty thing.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 03, 2006, 07:05 PM NHFT
Yes .... we will do this in Keene. We can have cars with their lights on, driving up and down main, for the hour preceeding the service. We could be carrying the coffin to the central square.
We can put a page in our paper that people can tape to their car window to show their participation. Anyone can join us for the service or just turning on their lights for the day.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 03, 2006, 07:10 PM NHFT
Hmm...interesting idea.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 03, 2006, 07:11 PM NHFT
People are scared to do things at porcfest.

Also ..... our one in Keene could be just one of many. We need to choose a date and lock it in.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Bald Eagle on March 04, 2006, 12:05 AM NHFT
The Constitution, as Michael Badnarik pointed out, is REALLY only a piece of paper.

The Rights and concepts described therein will live only as long as we keep them alive inside ourselves and FIGHT those who would do it harm. 

Some folks act and think as though they are already living in a Libertarian paradise, even though we are far from it.  Ayn Rand pointed out that in a fair fight between good and evil, evil will always win. 

Y'all have to stop being pie-in-the sky academic Libertarians and start thinking like practical, ass-kicking Revolutionaries.  Libertarian solutions don't work - and can't even be implemented in an authoritarian state.  Even a small amount of statist poison completely ruins a wholesome Libertarian meal.  If even a few cancer cells are allowed to have their way, the entire organism dies.  The cancer of big government, and the enforcement of their arbitrary edicts has to be eradicated.  Politicians are powerless without their mindless, obedient, unquestioning robots to keep them protected, unaccountable, and in power.  All the while robbing you - to keep you weak and them strong.

Why wait until 1 murderer kills 1,000 people when it it far more sensible just to eradicate the murderer?  Why wait until hundreds of murderers in DC kill all of 250 million Americans' Liberty and Freedom and dignity, when we could just eradicate their power - as is our Right - it's right there in the Declaration of Independence!

Now, again, are the times that try men's souls.   They're trying mine.
In the mean time, there are 1001 things to do.
Is it time yet?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 04, 2006, 04:11 AM NHFT
What the heck are you talking about?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 04, 2006, 04:16 AM NHFT
I have already said a 1000 times that it is time for a revolution. I just don't plan on shooting anyone.
Are you calling me a liberty talker (Libertarian)?

Are you still paying taxes to the beast? That is #1 thing you can do. :)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 04, 2006, 04:42 AM NHFT
I will try to contact this guy in Concord.

His vanity is DEATH
 (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=11000F38D904E458&p_docnum=1)
Dennis Sicard says his license plate makes a political statement
By:   LAUREN R. DORGAN
Monitor staff

No, Gomez Addams hasn't relocated to Concord's South Main Street.

The hearse with DEATH license plates is supposed to make a political statement, according to its owner, Dennis Sicard. It's a spin on "Live Free or Die," he said.

"I don't think we're living free, so I thought I'd put that on there," said Sicard, 30.

His beef? Taxes.

"They say 'Live free or die.' We have people who buy houses, pay an outrageous amount of money for houses, and then have to pay an outrageous amount of money in taxes every year," he said.

(Protest is a family thing: When Sicard was a kid, he said, his father scraped the "Free" off his license plates to make a point. This is not to be confused with the 1977 case that went to the U.S. Supreme Court, in which Jehovah's Witnesses won the right to cover up the "Or die" on their license plates.)

Owning a hearse has been a longtime goal of Sicard's. He got the plates first, in anticipation of getting his dream ride. For about four years, the DEATH plates hung from other cars: First a tan Chevy Malibu, then a black Ford Mustang.

And then last year, his father found the 1983 hearse in Seabrook. For just $3,200, Sicard's bought the car he calls his baby: Huge, black and with green flames painted on the sides for flair.

"It's something I've always wanted,"he said. "You can do a lot with a hearse. it's just got so much potential."

For example, the guy who sold Sicard the hearse offered to build him a casket cooler, for beverages in the back. Instead, Sicard thinks he's going to go with a friend's plan to make a casket-encased speaker system.

A hearse does have its downsides. There's no back seat - just a front and then room for a casket.

But Sicard doesn't really need the extra space, he said. And his car still has the rollers in the back for caskets, which can be handy for moving things.

"I moved my brother's Christmas tree with it," he said.

Sicard, who works in maintenance at a dirt plant in Loudon, has a talent for understatement. He says his wife doesn't have a problem with his choice of license plates, and then he casually adds that her license plate is "+DEATH".

He gets a lot of questions and comments about the car, but he doesn't always explain himself, Sicard said.

"Depends on who it is," he said. "Some people, I just don't care what they think."
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Dreepa on March 04, 2006, 11:27 AM NHFT
I saw that article and was thinking the same thing. (That he should be contacted)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Dave Ridley on March 04, 2006, 05:32 PM NHFT
This is a great idea NH Geek; keep the ideas flowing!   The neat thing around here is people will sometimes take your ideas and run with them , and that's exactly what is going to happen with this one I suspect.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Recumbent ReCycler on March 05, 2006, 12:38 AM NHFT
I suppose that is one way to look at it, but I think that it may not be dead yet, but is being held hostage by statists who have taken over most of the government who will only release a portion of it once a huge ransom has been paid, but they use part of the ransom money to kidnap it again and ask for an even larger ransom each year to release that small portion of the Constitution.  It would take either a large number of people infiltrating their strongholds and subverting their plans, or a large number of people kicking in the doors and terminating the hostage takers to liberate the Constitution.  May the infiltration and subversion commence.  I fear that they have us outnumbered and outgunned, which would make their termination virtually impossible.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 05, 2006, 10:59 AM NHFT
:) 

I'm glad there's some interest in this idea, and that others are helping refine the concept.  To be honest, I was hoping that (as DadaOrwell pointed out) someone would run with this idea.  As I said earlier I have zero experience organizing something like this, and while I'm psyched about participating I know I wouldn't be very effective as a first-time organizer.  Of course, I'm not saying I just wanted to dump this on someone else's lap, it's just that as my first protest-type event I don't think I'm the right guy to be in charge...  I'm psyched that you guys are thinking this is a good idea for a protest! 

Anyway, I've got another idea related to this that I wanna throw out there...  Black Armbands!  Not just the day of the funeral, but now!  This could even be a way to "advertize" the funeral, 'cause you know people (in the office, on the street, at the coffeeshop...) will be curious... 

Person on the Street:  Say, I just noticed you're wearing a black armband.  Who died?
Me:  the constitution, and it's brother Bill.
PotS:  Bill?
Me:  Yeah, the Bill of Rights.
PotS:  What do you mean, they're not dead.  This is America, the Land of the Free...
Me:  yeah, the Pres is "free" to spy on ordinary citizens who have broken no laws, the IRS is "free" to steal our money and use it to fund an illegal war, your township is "free" to steal your house if it feels the land it's on would be the perfect spot for a walmart, etc., etc., etc...  so yes, it's dead.  and by the way, we're holding a funeral service on (insert date here)...
PotS:  cool, I never thought of it that way...

At the very least the armbands would serve as a catalyst to get a discussion rolling and share some libery ideals and opinions.

Another idea:  an obituary...  because what's a funeral without an obituary?  This could be a mini-protest on its own, and advertize the funeral.

Yet another idea:  a wake!  not necessarily symbolic or anything, just an excuse to get together afterwards and commiserate.

Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 12:24 PM NHFT
Armbands and a wake...I like it!
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 02:27 PM NHFT
NH_Geek, do you think you could come to Keene to do this?  Is there a date that works best for you?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 05, 2006, 02:40 PM NHFT
Keene's no problem.  I live up in N. Conway, so it's not too much of a hike...  Plus I have a buddy in Milford I could stay with if need be.  As to when, I'm flexible...  Sept 18 has been mentioned, but that is a while off so we may want to consder alternatives.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Dreepa on March 05, 2006, 02:47 PM NHFT
Black Armbands!  Not just the day of the funeral, but now!  This could even be a way to "advertize" the funeral, 'cause you know people (in the office, on the street, at the coffeeshop...) will be curious... 

That is a great idea!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 02:52 PM NHFT
Cool :)  We can advertise it in our newspaper and hand flyers out all around town.  Anyone want to write the obituary for the paper?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 03:16 PM NHFT
How does April 29th sound?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 03:28 PM NHFT
I wonder where we could get black funeral flags for the car, and black armbands?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 05, 2006, 04:04 PM NHFT
I'll build a coffin.  How large should it be?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 04:27 PM NHFT
Thanks Lloyd!!

Thinking approx. 1 yd long, 1 ft wide at the widest, carryable by 4 people, openable to view the deceased.  Could be rectangular, or tapered like a coffin...either way.  Probably shouldn't be much smaller, but could be larger if you so desire.  Painted black?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 05, 2006, 04:49 PM NHFT
what's the significance of 4/29?

as to the obit, I'll give it a shot...  Mebbe we can get a few people to come up sith something and we'll submit them for review/vote...

Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 04:50 PM NHFT
None. We're available that day, and it gives us plenty of time to get everything set up.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 05, 2006, 04:51 PM NHFT
None. We're available that day, and it gives us plenty of time to get everything set up.
ahhh, fair enough...
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 04:53 PM NHFT
We were talking about April 15th, though it might be better to do specifically tax stuff that day.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 05, 2006, 04:54 PM NHFT
We were talking about April 15th, though it might be better to do specifically tax stuff that day.
yah, we don't want to confuse the sheeple...  ;)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 05, 2006, 04:57 PM NHFT
You must mean add to their confusion
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 05, 2006, 05:00 PM NHFT
Thanks Lloyd!!

Thinking approx. 1 yd long, 1 ft wide at the widest, carryable by 4 people, openable to view the deceased.  Could be rectangular, or tapered like a coffin...either way.  Probably shouldn't be much smaller, but could be larger if you so desire.  Painted black?

I'll make it a little longer than 3 feet.  The is probably a rule of proportion of height and width to length to make it look good.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 05, 2006, 06:34 PM NHFT
April 29, 1937 - Birthdate of Saddam Hussein.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 05, 2006, 07:03 PM NHFT
LOL!  April 29th it is, then.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 07, 2006, 03:54 AM NHFT
<watches with interest>   ;D
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 07, 2006, 06:00 AM NHFT
Wouldn't it be cool to have FTL broadcasting live from these things?  :)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 07, 2006, 10:04 AM NHFT
hell yeah!  The more publicity the better, especially FTL!

btw, I'm working on a rough draft for an obit...  hope to have something by the end of the week...
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 07, 2006, 10:34 AM NHFT
Awesome  :)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 08, 2006, 01:08 AM NHFT
Wouldn't it be cool to have FTL broadcasting live from these things?  :)

That would depend on if we were live at the time, as well as other connectivity issues.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 08, 2006, 06:02 AM NHFT
I was just talking in general...not necessarily this particular event.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 08, 2006, 10:34 AM NHFT
I was going to posit the question "what day do we figure is a good day to delcare as the day the constitution died?" but I'm thinking today is perfect, considering the latest patriot act news...  unless someone else can think of a better death day.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 08, 2006, 11:17 AM NHFT
Today sounds good.  Didn't they write a song about that?  The Day the Constitution Died...bye bye American Pie.

I'm getting this to display inside the coffin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:BCA:US:11&Item=7396412523
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 08, 2006, 11:17 AM NHFT
We are not sure of the actual date of death ...... we will have to call up those csi guys to figure it out.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 08, 2006, 08:18 PM NHFT
Will this be held in Keene?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 08, 2006, 09:01 PM NHFT
Yuppers.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 12, 2006, 08:43 AM NHFT
I am thinking that the funeral procession can start at noon. We can drive up and down main street with our lights on and flags or posters in our windows. This could continue until 12:30 when we start the service in the central square park.

Where do the Sons of Liberty want to hold the wake? There might be quite a few people there.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 12, 2006, 08:56 AM NHFT
Justice Hugo L. Black, Constitution quotes: 
It is my belief that there are ?absolutes? in our Bill of Rights, and that they were put there on purpose by men who knew what the words meant and meant their prohibitions to be "absolutes."
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Caleb on March 12, 2006, 10:26 AM NHFT
Maybe the UU Church will let us hold the wake there.  Jeff (from the protest, you know Russell, the guy from "Burlington, VT") says that the UU doesn't charge anything for use of their facilities
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 12, 2006, 07:05 PM NHFT
Can you check on it?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 13, 2006, 07:03 AM NHFT
Perfect funeral attire:

http://www.cafepress.com/doc5.38884820
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Caleb on March 13, 2006, 07:54 PM NHFT
What about a scrapbook, filled with news articles that demonstrate the Constitution's demise?

I saw a news article today.  A guy at work showed it to me, but I'm having trouble finding it on the keene sentinel website.  Every time I try to do a search, it says that I need to be a subscriber.  But anyway, the article was fairly recently (like since Friday, I think).  It says that there is a bill waltzing its way through Congress that would make it a crime for a reporter to say that the President has broken a law.  ??? 
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Caleb on March 13, 2006, 08:03 PM NHFT
OK, I found the article.  Its from Saturday, March 11, 2006.  In an article entitled "Controversial Eavesdropping Bill Proposed".  But when you try to pull up the article in the Sentinel, it tries to tell you that you have to be a subscriber. 

I have a hard copy of the article in my hand.  The dumbass senators and congressmen are saying, "No, that's not what we're trying to do ..." but then they describe what they are trying to do, and it sounds like censorship to me.

Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Caleb on March 13, 2006, 08:10 PM NHFT
One more update:

The article was really just an AP article, so I was able to find the text of the article on another website:

www.federalnewsradio.com/index.php?nid=78&sid=339879

Caleb
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 13, 2006, 09:13 PM NHFT
you will have to stop doing your searches on the keene sentinel website.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 15, 2006, 03:36 PM NHFT
I'm putting together the paper now, so if you have the obituary ready, I can get it in this issue.  If not, I'll just put in the details of the event and put in the obit next time.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 16, 2006, 05:56 PM NHFT
I talked with the city clerk today and there is nothing big planned for that day ..... except for us.

If we were closing off any roads (which we are not) they want us to get permission (which we will not).
If we want to use the park in the middle of central square (we are) we are supposed to ask our friend Brian Mattson at the parks and rec (which we will not be doing).

They thought it was amusing that we will be holding a funeral for the constitution and bill of rights.

Parking may be available at the grange ...... we will have to check. ;)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 16, 2006, 07:21 PM NHFT
Perhaps happy Dude can check on this for us ;)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 16, 2006, 08:08 PM NHFT
Oh, I got the poor dead constitution in the mail yesterday.  It looks real nice.  Parchment.  It's poster sized.  It'll be nice for the viewing of the body.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: KBCraig on March 16, 2006, 11:26 PM NHFT
Perhaps happy Dude can check on this for us ;)

If the Grange lot is posted, I suggest that everyone park in Happy Dude's yard and driveway.

He shouldn't mind, right?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 17, 2006, 05:40 AM NHFT
LOL!  Free parking at 305 Marlboro St.!
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 17, 2006, 08:26 AM NHFT
I guess I can tell the parks guy we are going to use the central square park ..... no burning this time.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Dreepa on March 17, 2006, 08:38 AM NHFT
By the way this idea is brilliant.
Is the geek gone already?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 17, 2006, 10:05 AM NHFT
He might not check in very often .... or is on spring break. :)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: NH_Geek on March 17, 2006, 12:24 PM NHFT
nah, I'm checking in...  just got sidetracked a bit 'cause my lease is up in a couple of weeks and I haven't found a new place yet...  :/
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 17, 2006, 01:37 PM NHFT
We will have a coffin available soon.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Dreepa on March 17, 2006, 02:08 PM NHFT
Geek you might want to edit the first page again and maybe the title of this thread and add the date.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... doesn't it deserve a funeral?
Post by: Caleb on March 17, 2006, 02:47 PM NHFT
Is Lloyd making the coffin so we can fit poles through it ... that way we can have pallbearers

Caleb
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: NH_Geek on March 17, 2006, 02:57 PM NHFT
thanks to whoever edited the original post for me...  :)
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 17, 2006, 04:28 PM NHFT
I haven't seen Dennis Sicard with the hearse here in Concord since we started talking about this. I'm still trying to get a note to him to see if he would like to join in on this.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 17, 2006, 05:32 PM NHFT
Oh a hearse would be awesome!
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: president on March 17, 2006, 06:02 PM NHFT
They had one in Grafton on June 19th, 2004 for the FSP/FTP funeral.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 18, 2006, 01:42 PM NHFT
Dennis -with the hearse - is interested. He does not have internet access. I've told him date and time. Let me know next steps so I can let him know.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: NH_Geek on March 18, 2006, 01:59 PM NHFT
They had one in Grafton on June 19th, 2004 for the FSP/FTP funeral.

 >:(
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Caleb on March 18, 2006, 02:52 PM NHFT
I talked with Rev. Paul Cullity.  He told me that he was "definitely possibly interested" in performing the funeral service.

The catch is ... he wants to run it by his lawyer.  He has to be careful not to lose his 501(c)3 status.

Another alternative is he said we could have a pretend reverend up there, and he would write the sermon for us.  If he doesn't actually deliver it, then he can say what he wants to say.

I told him that I think we actually want a real Reverand up there ... someone known in the community.  He agreed.  So, he's interested, but wants me to get him a copy of all the promotional material we are using. 

Caleb
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 18, 2006, 09:50 PM NHFT
Why do we need a pastor who needs to talk to his lawyer?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Dave Ridley on March 18, 2006, 11:38 PM NHFT
<<The catch is ... he wants to run it by his lawyer.  He has to be careful not to lose his 501(c)3 status.>>

wow that says it all.  The Constitution really is dead.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 18, 2006, 11:55 PM NHFT
I have been meaning to talk to pastors in town about this issue (if they feel the government breathing down their necks) .... I guess it is overdue.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: tracysaboe on March 19, 2006, 01:31 AM NHFT
It seems to me that as long as he's not partison it should be OK right?

And it's certainly not partison. We hate both parties equally.

Right?

Tracy
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 19, 2006, 01:34 AM NHFT
That is so true ..... but it has changed to any questioning of the administration .... hasn't it.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: KBCraig on March 19, 2006, 01:41 AM NHFT
<<The catch is ... he wants to run it by his lawyer.  He has to be careful not to lose his 501(c)3 status.>>

wow that says it all.  The Constitution really is dead.


I don't know why he would feel spooked by such a thing. The 501(c)3 status is only jeopardized by partisan politicking, or endorsement of a candidate, or implied endorsement by attacking an opponent. Political positions and issues are fair game; candidates are not.

(Black churches have traditionally gotten a pass on this, even when hosting overt campaign rallies. When the FEC began investigating them on an equal footing, there were screams of racism and retaliation.)

The late, greatly kooky Dr. Gene Scott wouldn't allow tax exempt status for his University Cathedral in Los Angeles. He wanted to say whatever he wanted, about whomever he wished. The traditional argument against taxing churches is that it would give government power over churches. In reality, tax exemption gives the government far more power over what is said in a pulpit, than would be the case if they paid the same taxes as every other organization.

Kevin
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 19, 2006, 03:23 AM NHFT
Pastor Garrett Lear of The Well Of Living Water (http://www.thewelloflivingwater.com/) in Wakefield, NH, was at Porc Fest and talked about this. He does not "register" with the IRS.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 19, 2006, 04:01 AM NHFT
I don't think we necessarily need a "reverend". This is not a religious ceremony or something.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 19, 2006, 04:18 AM NHFT
Do you want the hearse?
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2006, 05:10 AM NHFT
The catch is ... he wants to run it by his lawyer.  He has to be careful not to lose his 501(c)3 status.

How the government controls churches!  That's why we don't have preachers leading the revolution like in 1776.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Friday on March 19, 2006, 09:07 AM NHFT
I love this idea, and I'm really bummed that I'm already committed to manning a table at the Vermont LP convention that day.   :(  But if you think the wake will extend into the evening, I could swing by Keene on my way home.  By the way, what's all this talk of a "wake" taking place in a church with a reverend? I thought a wake was a party?  The funeral service takes place in the church.

My opinions, FWIW:
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 19, 2006, 10:03 AM NHFT
Right now the wake is a party at a restaurant or a church. We could make it extend to our house for a smaller group.
The funeral service would take place in the central square.
I like the hearse idea.
The bigger the coffin the better, but it will cost Lloyd more.
We should definitely wear black.
Rose would be good.
I wasn't talking burial. Maybe someone else. I don't have a backhoe and land handy.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Caleb on March 19, 2006, 01:39 PM NHFT
Quote
Pastor Garrett Lear of The Well Of Living Water in Wakefield, NH, was at Porc Fest and talked about this. He does not "register" with the IRS.

Yeah, why don't you ask the Baptist Temple in Indianapolis how well that works for them.

www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/religion/churches/baptist_temple/tax_dispute.html
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 19, 2006, 01:55 PM NHFT
Church supporters should have kept bidding at auction - with no intention to buy but to just bollix the proceedings. This should be done at any tax auction.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 19, 2006, 03:03 PM NHFT
The constitution sure seems dead.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Friday on March 19, 2006, 11:08 PM NHFT

The late, greatly kooky Dr. Gene Scott wouldn't allow tax exempt status for his University Cathedral in Los Angeles. He wanted to say whatever he wanted, about whomever he wished.

Dr. Gene!!  I remember that guy.  Lord, what a freak.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: KBCraig on March 19, 2006, 11:25 PM NHFT

The late, greatly kooky Dr. Gene Scott wouldn't allow tax exempt status for his University Cathedral in Los Angeles. He wanted to say whatever he wanted, about whomever he wished.

Dr. Gene!!  I remember that guy.  Lord, what a freak.

Quite a brilliant mind, but... yeah. Not your mainstream kinda preacher.

More than a year after his death, the church websites still contain no mention of his passing. His widow, a former porn star, is now --forgive me-- head pastor.

Kevin
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Pat K on March 19, 2006, 11:29 PM NHFT

The late, greatly kooky Dr. Gene Scott wouldn't allow tax exempt status for his University Cathedral in Los Angeles. He wanted to say whatever he wanted, about whomever he wished.

Dr. Gene!!  I remember that guy.  Lord, what a freak.

Quite a brilliant mind, but... yeah. Not your mainstream kinda preacher.

More than a year after his death, the church websites still contain no mention of his passing. His widow, a former porn star, is now --forgive me-- head pastor.

Kevin


LMAO oh  I just love a cheap sex shot joke.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 20, 2006, 12:43 AM NHFT
I wonder if we will find a brave pastor or if we will perform the service ourselves.
Title: Re: the Constitution is dead... Funeral to be held on April 29th in Keene.
Post by: Dreepa on March 20, 2006, 08:30 AM NHFT
Someone could get ordained over the internet. :D
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Post by: Pat McCotter on March 31, 2006, 05:28 AM NHFT
Dennis -with the hearse - is interested. He does not have internet access. I've told him date and time. Let me know next steps so I can let him know.

Dennis will be at the Concord Porc meeting April 8.
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Post by: Kat Kanning on April 06, 2006, 08:39 AM NHFT
Can anyone help me out with reasons I can point to for why the constitution is dead?  I was thinking I'd put in the flyer reasons like various ways the bill of rights has been disregarded, things like congress neglecting to declare war before sending troops out, etc.
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 06, 2006, 09:25 AM NHFT
It was born to limit the power of government.

Now the Constitution must be dead ..... because it doesn't hold it back.
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Post by: FTL_Ian on April 06, 2006, 01:29 PM NHFT
Destructions of virtually all of the bill of rights?
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Post by: Tunga on April 06, 2006, 08:06 PM NHFT
Article V. violated with the so called "adoption" of the 14th amendment.
 
So too, (according to Marcy) the 16th amendment.
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Post by: Tunga on April 06, 2006, 08:12 PM NHFT
Article IV Section 3.
 
Where does the TSA get it's athority when no new "state" can be formed within the jurisdiction of any other State "without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as the Congress"?
 
Question also for the post office with it's zip codes and most other "federal buildings".
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Post by: Tunga on April 06, 2006, 08:34 PM NHFT
Most of Article 1 Section 8.
 
Congress has the power to lay and collect Duties, Imposts and Excises as long as they are "uniform throughout the United States;"
 
Section 9 Clause 3
 
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
 
Clause 4
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
 
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Post by: Tunga on April 07, 2006, 11:55 PM NHFT
Article 1 clause 15 To provide weapons and ammo to the Militia.
 
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Post by: Tunga on April 08, 2006, 12:05 AM NHFT
Article 4 Section 4. Guarantee's a Republican Form of Government to all Union States and the U.S. must protect those states from invasion.
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Post by: 1984IsNow on April 08, 2006, 01:19 PM NHFT
We should exercise the right to form a militia and see what they do.  hahaha
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Post by: Tunga on April 10, 2006, 08:29 AM NHFT
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/080406_b_Bogus.htm
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 10, 2006, 08:50 AM NHFT
These "unitary executive" powers obviously are inconsistent with the constitution. I estimate the time of death at 9/11/01.
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Post by: AlanM on April 10, 2006, 09:01 AM NHFT
So, in essence we have a dictatorship. As long as we are at war, Bush thinks his powers are supreme to do whatever he wants. We will forever be at war, then.
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 15, 2006, 08:11 AM NHFT
I think the coffin only needs to be big enough to hold the Constitution ( 3' ) .... in some ways bigger would be better, but it isn't a big body.
Does anyone have a nice bill of rights we could throw in there also .... it could be a mass grave with all the government limiting documents that have died.
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Post by: AlanM on April 15, 2006, 09:56 AM NHFT
One sign of the death of the Constitution:

" To lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States, that is to say, ?to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare.?  For the laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised.  They are not to lay taxes ad libitum, for any purpose they please;  but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union.  In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.  To consider the latter phrase, not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please, which might be for the good of the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless.  It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States;  and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please.  It is an established rule of construction where a phrase will bear either of two meanings, to give it that which will allow some meaning to the other parts of the instrument, and not that which would render all the others useless.  Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them.  It was intended to lace them up straitly within the enumerated powers, and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.  It is known that the very power now proposed as a means was rejected as an end by the Convention which formed the Constitution.  A proposition was made to them to authorize Congress to open canals, and an amendatory one to empower them to incorporate.  But the whole was rejected, and one of the reasons for rejection urged in debate was, that then they would have a power to erect a bank, which would render the great cities, where there were prejudices and jealousies on the subject, adverse to the reception of the Constitution."
Thomas Jefferson
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Post by: AlanM on April 15, 2006, 10:05 AM NHFT
Ah, convenience! Enslaver of mankind.

"It may be said that a bank whose bills would have a currency all over the States, would be more convenient than one whose currency is limited to a single State.  So it would be still more convenient that there should be a bank, whose bills should have a currency all over the world.  But it does not follow from this superior conveniency, that there exists anywhere a power to establish such a bank;  or that the world may not go on very well without it."
Thomas Jefferson
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Post by: AlanM on April 15, 2006, 10:14 AM NHFT
"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution.  I would be willing to depend on that alone for the reduction of the administration of our government to the genuine principles of its Constitution;  I mean an additional article, taking from the federal government the power of borrowing.  I now deny their power of making paper money or anything else a legal tender.  I know that to pay all proper expenses within the year, would, in case of war, be hard on us.  But not so hard as ten wars instead of one.  For wars would be reduced in that proportion;  besides that the State governments would be free to lend their credit in borrowing quotas.  For the present, I should be for resolving the alien and sedition laws to be against the Constitution and merely void, and for addressing the other States to obtain similar declarations;  and I would not do anything at this moment which should commit us further, but reserve ourselves to shape our future measures or no measures, by the events which may happen.  It is a singular phenomenon, that while our State governments are the very best in the world, without exception or comparison, our General Government has, in the rapid course of nine or ten years, become more arbitrary, and has swallowed more of the public liberty than even that of England.  I enclose you a column, cut out of a London paper, to show you that the English, though charmed with our making their enemies our enemies, yet blush and weep over our sedition law."
Thomas Jefferson
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Post by: AlanM on April 15, 2006, 10:27 AM NHFT
"Everything predicted by the enemies of banks, in the beginning, is now coming to pass.  We are to be ruined now by the deluge of bank paper, as we were formerly by the old Continental paper.  It is cruel that such revolutions in private fortunes should be at the mercy of avaricious adventurers, who, instead of employing their capital, if any they have, in manufactures, commerce, and other useful pursuits, make it an instrument to burden all the interchanges of property with their swindling profits, profits which are the price of no useful industry of theirs.  Prudent men must be on their guard in this game of Robin?s alives, and take care that the spark does not extinguish in their hands.  I am an enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but coin.  But our whole country is so fascinated by this Jack-lantern wealth, that they will not stop short of its total and fatal explosion."

Thomas Jefferson
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Post by: TackleTheWorld on April 28, 2006, 09:24 PM NHFT
Jim and Lauren will be there.
We've got some "Funeral" stickers for the vehicles (stuck on with rubber cement for easy removal).
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 28, 2006, 09:58 PM NHFT
8)
I think I have found enough black to wear tomorrow. It will be a sad day.
But Kat is bringing potato salad for our picnic.
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Post by: Lloyd Danforth on April 29, 2006, 12:01 AM NHFT
I don't know how formal I will be as i'm not sure where all my clothes are. I need an arm band.
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 29, 2006, 05:58 AM NHFT
http://www.weatherunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=03431&hourly=1&yday=118&weekday=Saturday
:)
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 29, 2006, 05:59 AM NHFT
I don't know how formal I will be as i'm not sure where all my clothes are. I need an arm band.
In order to be all black .... I am going with sweatclothes. So I am going pretty casual. I don't own a suit anymore.
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 29, 2006, 09:29 AM NHFT
The hearse is "signed up" and ready to roll Denis said.
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2006, 09:38 AM NHFT
Our condolences to the bereaved... we know the departed had been in a vegetative state for along time, perhaps in death it will find peace and comfort at last.

We are unable to attend the funeral... we will celebrate the life this document lived, remembering when it thrived and flourished.
Showing our respects by a moment of silence at the time of the internment, followed by firing back up the chipper and living our lives as free as we can on the mountain.

RIP
US Constitution
We will keep your memory alive in our hearts and actions.
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Post by: Kat Kanning on April 29, 2006, 03:42 PM NHFT
(http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/show_image.php?id=1900)
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Post by: Kat Kanning on April 29, 2006, 04:07 PM NHFT
Lots of other photos:

http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-browse_gallery.php?galleryId=65
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Post by: Pat McCotter on April 29, 2006, 04:20 PM NHFT
Looks great. Wish I could have been there.
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Post by: Pat K on April 29, 2006, 04:24 PM NHFT
Great Job guys, nice coffin Lloyd. Lurans hubby, Jim looks like a secret service guy in that suit, I expected to see him talking into his sleeve.  ;D
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2006, 05:51 PM NHFT
Very well done.
Good picture of the deceased.
Yeah... Lloyd's coffin (well not Lloyd's coffin, the one he made) is very nice. Cool that you got a hearst.

Hope to see the article in the KFP. :)

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Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 29, 2006, 05:58 PM NHFT
Lauren's grief is great... ;D

And did Jim play the mouth harp? Definitely a Blues Brothers moment.
I missed the fun  :'(

Ya'll rock. 8)
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Post by: Russell Kanning on April 29, 2006, 06:43 PM NHFT
The party got so wild at the end that a vegan was tearing into Caleb's roasted chicken. :)
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Post by: Pat McCotter on April 29, 2006, 07:28 PM NHFT
The party got so wild at the end that a vegan was tearing into Caleb's roasted chicken. :)

Save a cow. Eat a vegetarian.
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Post by: Michael Fisher on April 30, 2006, 12:16 AM NHFT
This event was absolutely brilliant in concept and execution.  :)
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Post by: Lloyd Danforth on May 01, 2006, 06:04 PM NHFT
He mispelled it, he was referring to the Hurst shifter in the Cadaver wagon.
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Post by: Pat McCotter on May 01, 2006, 06:45 PM NHFT
Funeral home behind Dennis' house doesn't like him parking in their lot, though. Strange, that.
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2006, 07:02 PM NHFT
Arghhh... I get caught flaunting my ignorance.

hearse... (bang my head against the dictionary) this dang english be hard to spell.
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2006, 07:26 PM NHFT
What's that saying... '...it is better to keep your mouth shut, and have people think your ignorant, than to open it and prove it.'  (Or something to that effect)
That and my dad used to say 'Boy, make sure your brain is engauged before putting your mouth in gear.'

Of course he used to also say "...I'll just shove a hambone up your ass and let the dogs drag you away." ;D
All pearls of wisdom and insight. :P
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Post by: Kat Kanning on May 01, 2006, 08:12 PM NHFT
What's that saying... '...it is better to keep your mouth shut, and have people think your ignorant, than to open it and prove it.' 

That's my philosophy!
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2006, 08:51 PM NHFT
What's that saying... '...it is better to keep your mouth shut, and have people think your ignorant, than to open it and prove it.' 

That's my philosophy!

You probably heard from me enough to know I don't follow that philosophy (even though maybe I should). ;)
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Post by: Kat Kanning on May 01, 2006, 08:54 PM NHFT
If you ever said anything ignorant, I've never noticed.   :P
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Post by: Dreepa on May 01, 2006, 08:58 PM NHFT
If you ever said anything ignorant, I've never noticed.   :P
You are ignorant of his ignorance? ;)
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Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 01, 2006, 09:23 PM NHFT
Oh... I can show my ignorance, but worse is when I display my arrogance (get that from my dad). Your just too nice (or overworked ;D) to notice.

I appreciate what you guys are doing. :)
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Post by: NC2NH on May 02, 2006, 12:35 AM NHFT
The party got so wild at the end that a vegan was tearing into Caleb's roasted chicken. :)

It's true. I have come to New Hampshire and witnessed the magic...

Rob
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Post by: Kat Kanning on May 02, 2006, 07:44 AM NHFT
Welcome to the forum, Rob!
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Post by: NC2NH on May 02, 2006, 09:38 AM NHFT
Welcome to the forum, Rob!

Thanks Kat!

My presence on the forum is long overdue. Lots of great people from this forum and elsewhere have made me feel very welcome in NH. I encourage any other liberty-loving lurkers out there to join in. Your only regret will be that you waited at all. :)
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Post by: AlanM on May 02, 2006, 09:52 AM NHFT
Welcome NC2NH! Join the fun!  ;D
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Post by: Atlas on May 02, 2006, 02:32 PM NHFT
Welcome, NC2NH.
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Post by: president on May 02, 2006, 02:37 PM NHFT
What's that saying... '...it is better to keep your mouth shut, and have people think your ignorant, than to open it and prove it.' 

That's my philosophy!
My philosophy, via Dr. Bronner:
'If you know you're right, you can afford to shutup. But if you're not sure you're right - you'd better shut up!'
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Post by: president on May 02, 2006, 02:40 PM NHFT
The party got so wild at the end that a vegan was tearing into Caleb's roasted chicken. :)
A vegan that eats chicken......

That reminds me of some people around here......
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Post by: KBCraig on May 02, 2006, 02:52 PM NHFT
My philosophy, via Dr. Bronner:
'If you know you're right, you can afford to shutup. But if you're not sure you're right - you'd better shut up!'

Spend a lot of time reading soap bottles, do you?

What did he have to say about those situations where you're sure you're right, but you're wrong?

    Absolute cleanliness is Godliness! Who else but God gave man Love that can spark mere dust to life! Poetry, uniting All-One! All brave! All life! Who else but God! "Listen Children Eternal Father Eternally One!"

    Einstein, 1939, after Nazis & Commies united, proposed spacebombs that destroy all, unless we finally teach the Moral ABC's the real Rabbi Hillel taught Jesus to unite all in All-One-God-Faith. As teach astronomers Abraham-Israel-Moses-Buddha-Hillel-Jesus-Spinoza-Paine-Sagan & Mohammed, inspired every 76 years, 6000 years by the Messenger of God's Law, the sign of the Messiah, Halley's Comet: "WE'RE ALL ONE OR NONE!" "THERE IS NO GOD BUT GOD!" "TEACH LOVE THY ENEMY!" "LISTEN CHILDREN ETERNAL FATHER ETERNALLY ONE!" Israel-Moses-Buddha-Jesus-Mohammed: ONE! ALL ONE!


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Post by: Dreepa on May 02, 2006, 03:33 PM NHFT
Karma for bringing up Dr Bronner.
And Kev Karma for having more quotes for Dr Bronner. :o
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Post by: president on May 02, 2006, 03:48 PM NHFT
My philosophy, via Dr. Bronner:
'If you know you're right, you can afford to shutup. But if you're not sure you're right - you'd better shut up!'

Spend a lot of time reading soap bottles, do you?
nah, I've got the book "The Moral ABC Part I and II", and I am putting up the website, http://moralabc.com. If you think reading the soap bottle is hard, try reading the website  :P

I OCRed it....now I have to fix/format it....one of these days....
Quote
THE "ESSENE" MORAL ABC

TO SURVIVE, ON GOD'S SPACESHIP EARTH WITH BOMB & GUN WE MUST UNITE THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE IN ASTRONOMY'S ETERNALLY GREAT ALL-ONE-GOD-FAITH, FOR WE'RE ALL-ONE OR NONE! ALL HUMANS EVOLVE FROM ASTRONOMERS STUDYING STARS MILLIONS OF YEARS, INSPIRED EACH AND EVERY 76 YEARS, FOR 6000 YEARS, BY THE MESSENGER OF GOD'S LAW THE SIGN OF THE MESSIAH, HALLEY'S COMET, INSPIRING ASTRONOMERS ABRAHAM, ISRAEL, MOSES, BAHAULLAH, BUDDHA, HILLEL, JESUS, CONFUCIUS, PAINE, SAGAN & MOHAMMED, TO UNITE THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE IN ASTRONOMY'S ALL-EMBRACING, ETERNALLY TREMENDOUS ALL-ONE-GOD-FAITH! FOR WE'RE ALL-ONE OR NONE! AS TEACHES FOR 6000 YEARS, SINCE THE YEAR ONE, ASTRONOMER ISRAEL, "LISTEN CHILDREN ETERNAL FATHER ETERNALLY ONE! FOR ON GOD'S SPACESHIP EARTH, WITH BOMB & GUN, WE'RE ALL-ONE OR NONE! ALL-ONE! ALL-ONE! ALL-ONE! EXCEPTIONS ETERNALLY? ABSOLUTE NONE!
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Post by: Russell Kanning on May 02, 2006, 04:02 PM NHFT
Is the president talking about our dead constitution?
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Post by: Atlas on May 02, 2006, 04:06 PM NHFT
Is the president talking about our dead constitution?
No, he's babbling as usual.
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Post by: Kat Kanning on May 02, 2006, 04:08 PM NHFT
Maybe we should call him President Brook.
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Post by: president on May 02, 2006, 04:15 PM NHFT
No, he's babbling as usual.
When In Rome (Do As The Romans Do) ( a visitor should try to act as the people do who are from that place ... )
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Post by: Atlas on May 02, 2006, 04:49 PM NHFT
No, he's babbling as usual.
When In Rome (Do As The Romans Do) ( a visitor should try to act as the people do who are from that place ... )
LOL
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Post by: Friday on May 15, 2006, 09:55 AM NHFT
That photo of the dead Constitution is a classic.  Have you considered sending it to Reason magazine as a suggested "Photo of the Month"? 
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Post by: Kat Kanning on May 15, 2006, 10:04 AM NHFT
Do they actually have a photo of the month?
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Post by: Friday on May 15, 2006, 09:01 PM NHFT
Do they actually have a photo of the month?

Yup.  They don't call it that, though, they call it "Artifact", which would be a poignantly appropriate headline for a photo of the U.S. Constitution in a coffin.  It's the last page of every issue, and features a large photograph and a few paragraphs of text describing it.
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Post by: cathleeninnh on May 16, 2006, 08:24 AM NHFT
I think it is an outstanding photo. It doesn't need explanation. Are there any other ways to get it spread?

Cathleen
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Post by: Kat Kanning on May 16, 2006, 01:18 PM NHFT
I sent it to Reason.  Wayne actually took it, so I wanted to make sure it was OK with him first.