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Regional Discussion => Monadnock => Keene => Topic started by: FTL_Ian on March 11, 2006, 12:19 AM NHFT

Title: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 11, 2006, 12:19 AM NHFT
Did you guys get any idea of how many of your papers were picked up out of how many you placed at locations?
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 11, 2006, 07:40 AM NHFT
We distributed 8 boxes and have picked up about 1 box from the first issue.  We're going to redistribute most of those from that one box house-to-house, though.  Russell's says he wants to go to neighborhoods where we haven't been door to door yet and give them the first two issues.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 11, 2006, 07:53 AM NHFT
You should stick em to mailboxes with a 'Porcupine Partner's' magnet.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 11, 2006, 08:15 AM NHFT
It would have to be a powerful magnet for the wind. :)
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 11, 2006, 10:28 AM NHFT
If you stick them IN the mailboxes, you're violating federal law!   >:D
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 11, 2006, 11:18 AM NHFT
I put some inside mailboxes when there is already mail there and there is no other good place.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: dawn on March 13, 2006, 12:10 PM NHFT
I've always wondered why it's against the law to put something in a mail box. Who owns that mailbox and who owns the property on which the mail box is found? Certainly not the USPS!

Would it make sense to give them out in a plastic bag that can be hung on a door handle?

Just thinking ahead to times when you could give out tons of papers - Cheshire County Fair and the Pumpkin Festival come to mind. How about the farmer's markets in the right season? Libraries and/or post office counters?

I counted 56 locations where papers are being distributed - wow! We'll work on a few other places to try.

Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 13, 2006, 12:44 PM NHFT
I am not listing any of the waiting rooms and such ..... mostly just the retail type locations.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Dreepa on March 13, 2006, 12:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: dawn on March 13, 2006, 12:10 PM NHFT
I've always wondered why it's against the law to put something in a mail box. Who owns that mailbox and who owns the property on which the mail box is found? Certainly not the USPS!
Yeah I have thought about that too.
I wonder what the actual law is.. probably to thwart competition.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 12:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: dawn on March 13, 2006, 12:10 PM NHFTWho owns that mailbox and who owns the property on which the mail box is found? Certainly not the USPS!

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/tipvandl.htm
QuoteMailboxes are considered federal property . . . (Title 18, United States Code, Section 1705)
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Dreepa on March 13, 2006, 01:00 PM NHFT
Quote from: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 12:58 PM NHFT
Quote from: dawn on March 13, 2006, 12:10 PM NHFTWho owns that mailbox and who owns the property on which the mail box is found? Certainly not the USPS!

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/tipvandl.htm
QuoteMailboxes are considered federal property . . . (Title 18, United States Code, Section 1705)
I wonder if that includes the slots in people's doors?

I have a box on the street.  Maybe I will have to put a sign on it that says that this is NOT federal property.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 01:05 PM NHFT
I don't know about door slots. The only mention I found was that linked page, which is about mailbox vandalism. I'm sure there's a breakdown buried somewhere, but I don't have time to look for it.

I think the sign idea is a good. I wonder if the postal carrier would say something, or even care.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Dreepa on March 13, 2006, 01:08 PM NHFT
Quote from: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 01:05 PM NHFT
I think the sign idea is a good. I wonder if the postal carrier would say something, or even care.
We will find out soon. (unless my wife makes me take it down ;)  )
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 13, 2006, 01:53 PM NHFT
That is a good idea.
I did put papers in some slots ...... where people had a little sign or such.
I also ran into people that had a wicker basket for the mail and newspaper ..... so I just used them.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 13, 2006, 02:00 PM NHFT
I looked at the front of our mailbox. It's embossed with something like Approved by the Postmaster General.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 13, 2006, 02:28 PM NHFT
Isn't that interesting?  Even though I went down to home depot and bought a mailbox with MY own money, as soon as I stick it in the ground, it becomes "federal property"?

Or was it federal property before I bought it?

Do they become federal property as they roll off the assembly line?
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 02:31 PM NHFT
Dammit Ian, you're going to make me wade through a bunch of bureaucratic nonsense looking for the answer, you realize that, right?

*sigh*

I guess I know what I'll be doing after work today.  ;D
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: president on March 13, 2006, 02:41 PM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 13, 2006, 02:28 PM NHFT
Isn't that interesting?  Even though I went down to home depot and bought a mailbox with MY own money, as soon as I stick it in the ground, it becomes "federal property"?
It doesn't become "federal property" untill you start getting USPS mail in it.
You can have five mailboxes infront of your house, but only the one that is used for USPS is "federal property". Many people have a second one for a news paper, as the paperboy can't use the "federal property"
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Dreepa on March 13, 2006, 03:06 PM NHFT
Nice on the Clayton Bigsby quote..

I have tube for my newspaper.
I am going to the post office tomorrow I will ask about the federal property thing. I am sure that they won't know and Thespis will have the answer.

What if I say that my personal mailbox is not subject to their Title 18, United States Code, Section 1705 but my title 3 subsection 2 paragraph 1?
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 03:37 PM NHFT
Here's what I've got so far:

Link (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040801/NEWS01/408010304/1008)
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 13, 2006, 03:59 PM NHFT
I never meant to make people look up government rules. :( You guys are gluttons for punishment. :)

Try leaving the uspservice like Kramer in Seinfeld. :)
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Thespis on March 13, 2006, 04:27 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on March 13, 2006, 03:59 PM NHFT
I never meant to make people look up government rules. :(

I blame you!!!

Just kidding.

I did it of my own volition, and I stopped when my brain started to hurt.  ;D
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 14, 2006, 12:11 AM NHFT
Okay, so what happens if you remove your mailbox?
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: tracysaboe on March 14, 2006, 02:37 AM NHFT
Dude. They bring down the Hammer on you.

Tracy
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 14, 2006, 07:08 AM NHFT
It would be fun to not accept their junkmail.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Dreepa on March 14, 2006, 07:47 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 14, 2006, 12:11 AM NHFT
Okay, so what happens if you remove your mailbox?

Hmm esp if you have a PO box...
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: FTL_Ian on March 14, 2006, 09:18 AM NHFT
I would never get a PO Box.  Private mail boxes (Pakmail, PostNet, Mailboxes Etc) are the way to go.

What if you posted notice on your mailbox that all mail should be forwarded to your PMB, then removed the box?  Hmm...
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: JonM on March 14, 2006, 10:10 AM NHFT
If you construct a mailbox using a substance banned by the feds, do they own it, and are thus in trouble with themselves?  Just musing . . .
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 14, 2006, 10:12 AM NHFT
I don't remember the fed gov buying the mailbox for me.

When we flyered in Hampton, I just shoved them in mailboxes as there was no contact info on them.
When I flyered for Mincin I slid them behind the mailboxes, in the little spring clip on the suburban type boxes and dropped them in slots and in baskets.

This could be a possible CD thing.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: JonM on March 14, 2006, 10:16 AM NHFT
As that link explained, they're considered federal property so they are within federal jurisdiction for the purpose of prosecuting mail related crimes.  Essentially you cede ownership to the feds in return for the service of them delivering you mail.
Title: Re: KFP initial distribution results?
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 14, 2006, 12:28 PM NHFT
I put a few in mailboxes today .... mostly after the mailman had already filled the box or when the box was marked for mail/newspaper/packages.