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Regional Discussion => Monadnock => Keene => Topic started by: Kat Kanning on March 18, 2006, 09:54 AM NHFT

Title: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 18, 2006, 09:54 AM NHFT
Looking at the crime statistics in Keene, we found that in 2004 the city had 10 rapes, which is higher than the national average/100,000 residents.  We'd like to help bring this number down.  We want to start a charity for donating money to arming women and training them in the safe use of arms.  People could donate money, training, guns, or other weapons.  We could ask people like Tony Lekas to come over and do gun training.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: estoves on March 18, 2006, 10:04 AM NHFT
Nice idea.
I could donate some money if it will be possible to do it via paypal or something simular.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 18, 2006, 10:06 AM NHFT
Cool.  Ya we could do paypal.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: KBCraig on March 18, 2006, 11:47 AM NHFT
I think the first step is to sort out what is being reported as rape, since Keene is a college town. By that, I mean make sure we're talking about actual rape, not the "he looked at me without my permission!" college code of conduct version.

Next, in a college environment, there can be actual rapes (by moral and legal standards) where self defense, especially with a firearm, is highly unlikely. By that, I mean rape where the victim is simply unable to resist, by virtue of extreme intoxication. Doesn't make it any less rape, but there's no self defense tool that will help in that situation.

If you sort those out and are still left with cases where a woman could have resisted effectively if only she'd had training and tools available, then yeah, help educate them and equip them. A highly publicized "we'll fight back!" campaign might be a deterrent, too.

Kevin
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 18, 2006, 12:44 PM NHFT
I think we could be doing this even if there were zero rapes in Keene.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: KBCraig on March 18, 2006, 12:46 PM NHFT
I think we could be doing this even if there were zero rapes in Keene.

True enough, and a good idea.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Caleb on March 18, 2006, 01:24 PM NHFT
I am offering a revolver and ammunition to the first credible person who claims it (from the Keene area of course).  I will be looking, specifically, for a woman who feels she is in a threatening situation, or has reason to fear for her safety, and would like to receive a free revolver to protect herself.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Dave Ridley on March 18, 2006, 06:19 PM NHFT
what about donating a weapon to a clear cut rape victim, publicly, as a publicity stunt?  And of course everyone there could be open carrying. 
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Caleb on March 18, 2006, 06:41 PM NHFT
Quote
what about donating a weapon to a clear cut rape victim, publicly, as a publicity stunt?  And of course everyone there could be open carrying. 


Well, if she requests it, sure.  I'm not going to try to call up a bunch of rape victims and try to bring up something they may be trying very hard to forget.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Dreepa on March 18, 2006, 10:44 PM NHFT
Caleb might be a good way to get a date >:D

Also not that some people might care... but is it legal to give someone a handgun?
If this is going to get publicity and it should you might want to check into that.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: KBCraig on March 18, 2006, 11:01 PM NHFT
Also not that some people might care... but is it legal to give someone a handgun?
If this is going to get publicity and it should you might want to check into that.

Private transfers (not going through a licensed dealer) in NH are legal so long as the recipient has a revolver & pistol license, or is known to the donor.

RSA 159:14 (http://gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XII/159/159-14.htm)
159:14 Exemption. – None of the provisions of this chapter shall prohibit an individual not licensed under the provisions thereof who is not engaged in the business of selling pistols or revolvers from selling a pistol or revolver to a person licensed under this chapter or to a person personally known to him.

Kevin
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: tracysaboe on March 19, 2006, 01:07 AM NHFT
Well, After you call her (him?) up and talk to her (It could be a him) then she's (really it could.) known to you.

Tracy
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: KBCraig on March 19, 2006, 01:20 AM NHFT
Cool.  Ya we could do paypal.

There's some irony to be had there.

eBay/Paypal has a strict "no firearms" policy, and they've yanked accounts for really lame reasons. Usually they're robo-yanks, which the company defends vigorously despite proof that the item in question didn't violate the user agreement.

I'd love to see some publicity that "Paypal leaves rape victims defenseless!" In, say, the Keene Free Press.  ;)

Kevin
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Russell Kanning on March 19, 2006, 01:32 AM NHFT
Rape was just one of the reasons to offer this service.
Hopefully we will do so many transfers that the actual good done will far outweigh any need for "publicity stunts" ..... but if you want to do one .... go ahead.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2006, 05:12 AM NHFT
I talked to Evan Nappen about this and he suggested a big 'firearms for the poor' push. :)
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 19, 2006, 09:56 AM NHFT
Cool.  Ya we could do paypal.

There's some irony to be had there.

eBay/Paypal has a strict "no firearms" policy, and they've yanked accounts for really lame reasons. Usually they're robo-yanks, which the company defends vigorously despite proof that the item in question didn't violate the user agreement.

I'd love to see some publicity that "Paypal leaves rape victims defenseless!" In, say, the Keene Free Press.  ;)

Kevin

These would smell a lot about the complaints about Walmart refusing to sell the morning after anti-pregnancy pill.

There are other places to get the pills and other places to get guns and, faster than Ebay. 
There are also online auction places out there for guns although, not as big, or as dependable as Ebay.

I've sold a lot of gun parts on Ebay. I totally understand why ebay does not allow the sales of guns, as the liability would be too great. They may have nothing against guns, just, being practical.

I do have a problem with them not allowing Nazi stuff, though. I've got some non-military, non-propaganda, german brochures I can't auction due to the swasticas on them.  I've got a pre WW II American Pamphlet with a swastica that has nothing to do with Germany, just published before Hitler gave the symbol a bad name.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 19, 2006, 10:00 AM NHFT

Private transfers (not going through a licensed dealer) in NH are legal so long as the recipient has a revolver & pistol license, or is known to the donor.
Kevin

Caleb dating them would cover this
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 19, 2006, 10:01 AM NHFT
Maybee we could get a dealer to donate a gun.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: estoves on March 19, 2006, 10:40 AM NHFT
If paypal don't accept firearms there are alternatives.
Maybe digital libertydollar? Not sure how it works with digital liberty dollar but you can buy it in their store. http://www.libertydollar.org/html/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=&txtsearchParamCat=ALL&txtsearchParamType=ALL&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch&btnSearch.x=15&btnSearch.y=13
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Dreepa on March 19, 2006, 12:00 PM NHFT
Shit just mail some cash or a check to a local...

Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: tracysaboe on March 19, 2006, 02:58 PM NHFT
I talked to Evan Nappen about this and he suggested a big 'firearms for the poor' push. :)

Great Idea :)

Tracy
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Fluff and Stuff on March 19, 2006, 03:02 PM NHFT
I talked to Evan Nappen about this and he suggested a big 'firearms for the poor' push. :)

Great Idea :)

Tracy

I remember when the NYC LP did that.  They gave out toy guns because they were about to be banned.  The kids stepped on them and broke them and the parents were helling hateful messages.  It was on with John Stewart.  great stuff.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 19, 2006, 04:11 PM NHFT
You can still use paypal...it's just a donation, not directly selling a weapon.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Recumbent ReCycler on March 19, 2006, 10:43 PM NHFT
As far as paypal goes, if sending a donation, don't mention anything concerning firearms in the transaction.  One method that I am switching to from paypal is via electronic walmart prepaid card transfer.  Unlike paypal, they don't charge any fees, and you can use the cards at walmart to buy ammo, etc.  The transfer is instant and you can confirm it online.  My friend Rick Celata at http://www.ktordnance.com/kto (http://www.ktordnance.com/kto) accepts walmart prepaid card payment.  You just go to customer service at walmart and ask to deposit money on a prepaid account.  (The number can be found under the grey scratch off strip on the back of a prepaid card.)  The recipient of the funds can check the account on walmart.com by typing in the account number and the pin (which is also on the back of the card next to the account #), and will be able to see how much was deposited and when it was deposited.  This is a good way to make donations or to pay someone whom you trust for a service or product.  I am accepting walmart e-payments on my bluebroker auctions (see link at bottom of the post).
I am a handgun instructor.  I don't know if I'll have time to help with this type of thing this semester, but perhaps this summer and/or fall.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Fluff and Stuff on March 20, 2006, 03:13 AM NHFT
with this type of thing this semester, but perhaps this summer and/or fall.

I am confused, are you a student or teacher?
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 20, 2006, 08:18 AM NHFT
Why can't he be both.  I was an NRA Safe Hunting instructor while I was in High School.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Recumbent ReCycler on March 20, 2006, 08:33 AM NHFT
I am a full time student, full time faculty/staff, handgun instructor, gunsmith, and father of three.  Those things keep me pretty busy, but I still manage to make time to fight unauthorized government usurpation of powers that were delegated to the people by the Constitutions.  Could be why I'm addicted to caffiene.  :atlas:
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Dreepa on March 20, 2006, 11:46 AM NHFT
Don't worry I am sure that caffiene will be banned soon.  It is for your safety.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on March 20, 2006, 03:54 PM NHFT
And...For the Children
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Pat McCotter on March 20, 2006, 05:46 PM NHFT
I am a ... gunsmith, and father of three.
...
Could be why I'm addicted to caffiene. 

Manufacturing Guns!
Strung out on Caffeine!
With children in the house!


Have you no shame ???
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: PinoX7 on October 06, 2006, 07:19 PM NHFT
Looking at the crime statistics in Keene, we found that in 2004 the city had 10 rapes, which is higher than the national average/100,000 residents.  We'd like to help bring this number down.  We want to start a charity for donating money to arming women and training them in the safe use of arms.  People could donate money, training, guns, or other weapons.  We could ask people like Tony Lekas to come over and do gun training.  What do you think?

Well First Im all about guns, so dont take this message the wrong way, and I also have nothing against women, But during the corse of 2 years training Marines with weapons I have trained many Females, and well almost all of them are pretty much scared of the weapon.  My training is mental and many women say that their not scared, but subconsciously anticipating the shot and forcing the weapon, sending the round far from the target.  Ive seen trained females (and males) missing man sized targets from 7 yards away. So either anyone reciving a weapon should recive proper training, or I think it would be easier to just get tasers or pepper spray, or something like that. Its also cheaper, and more acceptable to many people.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on October 06, 2006, 10:08 PM NHFT
Everything in the military is about intimidation.  Not a good learning environment.  There are a bunch of women in NH learning how to handle firearms.  If you look at 1/2 dozen police videos, you will see that cops and perps often can'thit anyone 7 yards away in actual combat situations.
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: Spencer on October 06, 2006, 10:11 PM NHFT
The first time that I took my wife shooting, she ended up beating the pants off of me (much to the amusement of the range staff).
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: KBCraig on October 07, 2006, 12:21 AM NHFT
The military provides just about the worst firearms instruction in the world, at the basic level. (Yes, I'm former Army.)

The problem is that the services are afraid of guns in the hands of their people. Combine that with military regimentation and natural safety concerns of teaching firearms to large groups of people, and you wind up with a very poor learning environment. Those who are wary first-timers will fine little confidence on a military range.

Sorry, PinoX7, this is true even for the Marines and their well deserved reputation for rifle marksmanship. A good Marine rifleman is a fine battle rifleman, but not necessarily much of a rifle shot. I know deer hunters who fire three shots to check zero before the season begins, then one shot per every deer for however many tags they have, and finish the season with a freezer full of meat and half a box of ammo left over. You can't argue their effectiveness as hunters, but put them on a target range, and they'll be seriously embarassed.

Historically women are better natural shots than men, and those who take it seriously and practice will run rings around most men. The first time my daughter ever had a pistol in her hand, she dropped all six 6" plates at 15 yards, with six shots (she had just turned 14, and was using her mom's Makarov).

The main thing that makes men harder to train, is the macho factor. Theywe think we know it all, especially about "manly stuff" like guns. The military environment is very competitive and macho. Some of the women who join try to out-macho the men (and some do!); others are just intimidated by all that, and do what they have to do just to get through the "manly stuff" like the Q course.

Kevin
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: PinoX7 on October 07, 2006, 01:31 AM NHFT
The main thing that makes men harder to train, is the macho factor. Theywe think we know it all, especially about "manly stuff" like guns. The military environment is very competitive and macho. Some of the women who join try to out-macho the men (and some do!); others are just intimidated by all that, and do what they have to do just to get through the "manly stuff" like the Q course.

Yes thats is exactly true. I mean you look at me, well i just picked up Cpl, but Ive been a lance, for one and a half years, anyways, I know im a great instructor, I was trained and fired with the Marine corp shooting team(and scout snipers dont got shit on me with Iron sites) Anyways, Im a Lcpl trying to teach a Sgt, or SSgt, or any officer. Lots of them think they 'dont need practice' cause they shot expert last year, well i dont know about you guys, but if i dont shoot for a week i feel rusty. These guys wont listen to anything I say cause they been in longer, or they think they know everything, Pisses me off. Thats why teaching civilians is so much easier, you dont have that rank diff, and they acctually seem interested. I taught a few of my friends on leave, started with a lil .22 and after about just 3 days, they were doing pretty damn good, we nicknamed one of em the 'cerial can killer'
Title: Re: Rape in Keene / Weapon Charity
Post by: KBCraig on October 11, 2006, 02:23 AM NHFT
Time to bring this thread back to the original topic. Although, when it comes to flashers, I do advocate an ounce or two of Fox Labs' best 5.3 million Scoville OC spray directly on the offending member.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=KSC+student+reports+attack+in+on-campus+parking+lot&articleId=fbfb8a87-9808-48c8-a36a-a3a84b5554cc

KSC student reports attack in on-campus parking lot

By FAITH SAWYER
Special to New Hampshire Union Leader

Keene ? A Keene State College student says a man exposed himself to her in an on-campus parking lot behind the Wal-Mart plaza, then chased her and knocked her down before fleeing.

Police and Keene State College Campus Safety officers are investigating.

The man is described as 5 foot 10 inches, average build, with possible facial hair and wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt.

According to officials, after exposing himself to the student shortly before 8 p.m., the man chased the student and knocked her down before running away when the student screamed.

The incident comes two weeks after a man was reported exposing himself to students outside a residence hall. Campus Safety officials said they consider the incidents related at this point.

"We're not certain, but we're going on the assumption it may be," said Campus Safety Director Amanda Warman.

The man described in the earlier incident near the Owls Nest is 1described as 19 to 20 years old, 5-foot-seven to 5-foot-eight, with a small amount of facial hair. He allegedly exposed himself to females walking by a hallway window and fled when they noticed him.

Four separate sexual assaults also have been filed by students, although they all involved alcohol and acquaintances. Monday's incident appears to have been random.

According to on-campus announcement to students, an officer was to begin patrolling the area yesterday to increase security in the parking lot behind the Wal-Mart plaza. Warman also urged students to use the shuttle system or walk with a friend at night.