3/25 Issue: Steve Lindsey needs to go away! This time out, his article is not even labled as "Socialist Viewpoint". On the same page as Russell's excellent (and wonderfully sarcastic) essay on Eminent Domain, Mr. Lindsey stinks it up with his "Betrayal of Berlin" where he calls for the state to sieze control of the paper mill!
I suggest if you're going to allow him some of your precious page space, at least write a pro-Liberty rebuttal to his crazy claims! He makes outrageous claims about "social responsibilites" that go unchallenged! Is this what we want people reading?? ???
Why don't you write a response to him, if you're that upset about it.
heheh
Yup, write a letter to the editor.
Tracy
Rebuttal to "Betrayal of Berlin"
The last issue of the KFP, to my disgust held another opinion piece by raving socialist, Steve Lindsey. In case you missed it, Mr. Lindsey bemoaned the closing of the paper mill in Berlin. According to Mr. Lindsey, the closing of the mill is akin to "slitting the town's jugular vein". He then goes on to call for the state government to sieze control of the mill!
I was shocked to see this blatantly anti-freedom perspective in the Keene "Free" Press. The page it appeared on was otherwise great. It included a wonderfully sarcastic attack on Eminent Domain by Russell Kanning. Confusingly, Mr. Lindsey's article sat next to it, stinking up the entire reading experience. Lindsey's article was not labeled, "The Anti-Freedom Viewpoint", therefore readers new to the ideas of Liberty would have been confused by its haphazard inclusion. It deserves a rebuttal.
First, Lindsey seems to believe that once a business opens up in a town it has to stay there, especially if it was successful for a while. Lindsey doesn't understand business. Would he insist that a typewriter manufacturing plant be forced to stay open because they provided jobs for decades?
Business open, businesses close. They close for a variety of reasons. Perhaps the product was not in enough demand anymore. Perhaps the competition did it better. Perhaps the government strangled them with too many regulations. It's good when businesses close. It means it wasn't working out, and now all those people can go do something else, or better yet, start their own businesses.
Unlike government, which takes money by force, business has to persuade you to voluntarily use their products and services. Fraser Paper couldn't do it effectively. Do you think the government can run the paper business better?
The answer is no. Government doesn't do much of anything effectively, except destroy your liberties. In this case, Mr. Lindsey wants the state government to sieze control of the mill! Here's the translation:
Lindsey wants to tax you and pay the 250 mill workers to produce products that the market doesn't want. Even if the market wanted them, who the hell is Lindsey to demand that you pay to keep a business' doors open? He's a socialist, that's who. He thinks government forceful redistribution of wealth is okay. Do you?
Liberty loving Americans should oppose forced wealth redistribution. The KFP should be embarrassed for printing an article advocating violent socialism without an "Anti-Freedom Article" disclaimer and a rebuttal right next to it!
Ian Bernard
Host, Webmaster - "Free Talk Live"
http://freetalklive.com
Thanks for the encouragement. ;D
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 25, 2006, 03:07 PM NHFT
Rebuttal to "Betrayal of Berlin"
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Hey! This is good stuff!
Maybe someday in the not-too-distant future, we'll get the spectacle of Ian giving his opinion as testimony before the NH State House. Now
that would be
cool! 8) ;D
this just once again points out the difference between traditionalists and libertarians within the conservative movement.
non-localized markets tend to destroy community and traditionalists view local communities as an essential factor for leading a virtuous life within a strong family structure.
Thanks, Ian. It'll go in the next issue. :D
Quote from: FrankChodorov on March 25, 2006, 03:32 PM NHFT
this just once again points out the difference between traditionalists and libertarians within the conservative movement.
non-localized markets tend to destroy community and traditionalists view local communities as an essential factor for leading a virtuous life within a strong family structure.
Huh?
Thank you Pat because that was my thought exactly.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 25, 2006, 03:07 PM NHFT
Rebuttal to "Betrayal of Berlin"
The last issue of the KFP, to my disgust held another opinion piece by raving socialist, Steve Lindsey. In case you missed it, Mr. Lindsey bemoaned the closing of the paper mill in Berlin. According to Mr. Lindsey, the closing of the mill is akin to "slitting the town's jugular vein". He then goes on to call for the state government to sieze control of the mill!
I was shocked to see this blatantly anti-freedom perspective in the Keene "Free" Press. The page it appeared on was otherwise great. It included a wonderfully sarcastic attack on Eminent Domain by Russell Kanning. Confusingly, Mr. Lindsey's article sat next to it, stinking up the entire reading experience. Lindsey's article was not labeled, "The Anti-Freedom Viewpoint", therefore readers new to the ideas of Liberty would have been confused by its haphazard inclusion. It deserves a rebuttal.
First, Lindsey seems to believe that once a business opens up in a town it has to stay there, especially if it was successful for a while. Lindsey doesn't understand business. Would he insist that a typewriter manufacturing plant be forced to stay open because they provided jobs for decades?
Business open, businesses close. They close for a variety of reasons. Perhaps the product was not in enough demand anymore. Perhaps the competition did it better. Perhaps the government strangled them with too many regulations. It's good when businesses close. It means it wasn't working out, and now all those people can go do something else, or better yet, start their own businesses.
Unlike government, which takes money by force, business has to persuade you to voluntarily use their products and services. Fraser Paper couldn't do it effectively. Do you think the government can run the paper business better?
The answer is no. Government doesn't do much of anything effectively, except destroy your liberties. In this case, Mr. Lindsey wants the state government to sieze control of the mill! Here's the translation:
Lindsey wants to tax you and pay the 250 mill workers to produce products that the market doesn't want. Even if the market wanted them, who the hell is Lindsey to demand that you pay to keep a business' doors open? He's a socialist, that's who. He thinks government forceful redistribution of wealth is okay. Do you?
Liberty loving Americans should oppose forced wealth redistribution. The KFP should be embarrassed for printing an article advocating violent socialism without an "Anti-Freedom Article" disclaimer and a rebuttal right next to it!
Ian Bernard
Host, Webmaster - "Free Talk Live"
http://freetalklive.com
Hey, that's good.
Kat can you print this in the next issue? You'd done what, 3 issues now? It's time you started a letter to the editor section.
Tracy
Quote from: Pat McCotter on March 25, 2006, 05:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: FrankChodorov on March 25, 2006, 03:32 PM NHFT
this just once again points out the difference between traditionalists and libertarians within the conservative movement.
non-localized markets tend to destroy community and traditionalists view local communities as an essential factor for leading a virtuous life within a strong family structure.
Huh?
Just ignore him. As you said, he's been brainwashed, he can't help himself.
Tracy
Quote from: tracysaboe on March 26, 2006, 12:16 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on March 25, 2006, 05:51 PM NHFT
Quote from: FrankChodorov on March 25, 2006, 03:32 PM NHFT
this just once again points out the difference between traditionalists and libertarians within the conservative movement.
non-localized markets tend to destroy community and traditionalists view local communities as an essential factor for leading a virtuous life within a strong family structure.
Huh?
Just ignore him. As you said, he's been brainwashed, he can't help himself.
Tracy
the point is that traditional conservatives have always known that global markets destroy local community.
Quote from: katdillon on March 25, 2006, 03:50 PM NHFT
Thanks, Ian. It'll go in the next issue. :D
Wow, thank you! I suggest next time that guy wants free publicity for his ideas, post his submission here so I or someone else can rebut it prior to printing!
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 26, 2006, 10:37 AM NHFT
Quote from: katdillon on March 25, 2006, 03:50 PM NHFT
Thanks, Ian. It'll go in the next issue. :D
Wow, thank you! I suggest next time that guy wants free publicity for his ideas, post his submission here so I or someone else can rebut it prior to printing!
That's not how LTE's work! Rebut it in the next issue!
Russell and Kat! Great job! Keep it up!
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 26, 2006, 10:37 AM NHFT
Quote from: katdillon on March 25, 2006, 03:50 PM NHFT
Thanks, Ian. It'll go in the next issue. :D
Wow, thank you! I suggest next time that guy wants free publicity for his ideas, post his submission here so I or someone else can rebut it prior to printing!
It was posted here first.
what's all this panties-in-a-bunch-ism over allowing socialists in the keene free press? Aren't we the same people who complain when the Sentinel blows off our LTEs?
It bugs me that it's there, but I'm most irritated about it not being labled for what it is like the first time Lindsey's trash appeared.
/shrug...just makes me want to print more of his articles.
Kat, where did you post his letter so I know where to be on the lookout?
Also, is he a Keene local?
Yeah he is from Keene.
Is this it?
http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=3200.msg55374#msg55374
Yes, he's a local. He posted his letter himself. He goes by SocialDemocrat on this forum.
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=36
There we go. We are starting to get more letters to the editor. :)
Nice LTE
seize not sieze. Typo.
Just so you know.... Steve is going to write an article about saving this old railroad rock arch bridge next to 101. I think he wants the city of Keene and therefore its taxpayers to "save" it.
If he doesn't post it here, I can ask him to. He wants his letters to go side by side with an opposing view. I think we can find one. ;)
Quote from: Dreepa on March 27, 2006, 12:46 PM NHFT
Nice LTE
seize not sieze. Typo.
See ... we are so cheap here at the Keene Free Press that we use you guys as copy editors.
:director: :homework: :bow: :whp2:
Keep the Keene FREE Press Free! :D
You're posting as happy dude.
And we saw you driving .... under the influence of an operation ...... there ought to be a law!
There, this should work...hate it when I go through Sean's...he's got everything hooked up in this shop under his "happy dude." Enough.
I'm sorry I "stunk up" Ian's entire reading experience. It happens. Me bad.
In other news, the dissenters discussed the KFP at their monthly meeting...at Marco Palo, Second thursday, 6 PM if memory service...they tend towards the left side....Arpad, F Moriarty, Tilton,...but they are dissenters so might be worth a visit with them...
In yet more news...The Large Puppet Theater, of which I play a part---my fav is working the Bush puppet with the wobbly head....man, I got that down!....----may do a public appearence the same day the funeral for the Constitution is held...Seems a lot is going on across the nation that day...See you uptown, on that day!
Social Democat (hopefully not Happy D)
Quote from: FTL_Ian on March 27, 2006, 12:18 AM NHFT
It bugs me that it's there, but I'm most irritated about it not being labled for what it is like the first time Lindsey's trash appeared.
Good god Man. Get a life will you. ::) ::) He has the right to his speech just like you do. And if you can stand the heat in the kitchen. Go pout in the closet..
I do not always agree with Lindsey on all issues. But the bottom line is he is a great guy. and he is intitled to his opinions just like you.
Quote from: russellkanning on April 14, 2006, 05:26 PM NHFT
And we saw you driving .... under the influence of an operation ...... there ought to be a law!
(LOL) I'm sure this is one. ;D Shit there is a law for everything else.
Quote from: Happy Dude on April 15, 2006, 09:05 AM NHFT
Good god Man. Get a life will you. ::) ::)
I must have misplaced mine...
QuoteHe has the right to his speech just like you do.
Of course he does. I never suggested otherwise. However one does not have a right to free speech on private property. The KFP is private property, and the owners can set the rules for who gets to speak.
QuoteAnd if you can stand the heat in the kitchen. Go pout in the closet..
Did it look like I couldn't stand the heat? I wrote a rebuttal.
QuoteI do not always agree with Lindsey on all issues. But the bottom line is he is a great guy.
I'm sure he is, I get along fine with people of all stripes. That said, I do not agree that there is anything "great" about using government force on people.
Quoteand he is intitled to his opinions just like you.
Again, I never once suggested that he wasnt entitled to them. My only gripe was that his article was not labled "Socialist Viewpoint" as it was in the prior issue. Simple.
I think we might have to label Ian's articles as "Nutty Anarchist" or something. :)
Some people think our paper is too libertarian.
We had one guy who had avoided our paper because he thought it was going to be somewhere left of the Sentinel. He likes it now that he has read some.
Perhaps a contest to see who's the nuttiest. How do we determine the nuttiness quotient? Is one nuttier the more he supports voluntary solutions?
Quote from: russellkanning on April 15, 2006, 03:04 PM NHFT
Some people think our paper is too libertarian.
They should start their own paper. ::)
Methinks people should have a hand in what they are called...The power to label is a very potient one...So the recepient should have a say...
"Socialist" is too strong a word for me because I don't believe in government control of all parts of our social and economic life. There are things I believe that the marketplace does best, and there are sectors where the public sector is best. I have read and actually met Solzhentsyn so I do fear an all powerful government. A mixed economy is what I favor. The Third Way. As found in Sweden. And European democracies.
So call me "Social Democrat" please.
The problem is government interference always begets more government interference.
Hence a "third-way" is always eventually going to evolve into some sort of total state of a socialist/fascist hybrid, or one or the other.
Tracy
or stay a "third way" .... which is evil enough.
To me "Social Democrat" is a bad enough title.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on April 15, 2006, 04:28 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on April 15, 2006, 03:04 PM NHFT
Some people think our paper is too libertarian.
They should start their own paper. ::)
People like you make me laugh. Because it is always good to have different opinions in very paper.
And that is why it could make it very interesting.
Quote from: russellkanning on April 17, 2006, 03:11 AM NHFT
or stay a "third way" .... which is evil enough.
To me "Social Democrat" is a bad enough title.
But if you really know him. He is not really a "Social Democrat". Like he wants you to think.
I don't see anything wrong with printing the opposition's viewpoints in KFP. It might actually keep people who aren't 100% pro-liberty reading the paper.
I say put it in and label it opposition, socialist, or statist. Let people who disagree talk back.