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Title: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 08, 2005, 11:53 AM NHFT
Here is the link to the Castle Coalition page:
Rally (http://www.castlecoalition.org/announcements/nat_rally_2_05.asp)
Since we don't have these problems in NH, maybe we can let the people of CT know about it. :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 08, 2005, 01:02 PM NHFT
So here's what I was thinking on this...The FSP already did some shadow ads in the New London newspaper, and we got some nice press out of it.   We're looking for some eminent domain action...why not put these two together?  We get the satisfaction of helping the folks in New London, we get some press for the Free State Project, and we let Connecticut people know that this NEVER happens in New Hampshire, and maybe they'd consider moving up with the FSP.  Plus, Lloyd will get the satisfaction of us driving down to his territory  for once :)  So what do you think?  Candlelight vigil the night before the supreme court hearing, some signs, some FSP flyers talking about lack of eminent domain in NH.  What else?  Who would like to join me?

I'm jazzed about this one :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 08, 2005, 01:03 PM NHFT
They have a big New London, CT rally planned...I am calling for details. :)
Jason said that his CT porcupines could join us in the festivities. 8)
I can just see Lloyd's big van in the parking lot.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 08, 2005, 01:04 PM NHFT
Ooooh great!
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 08, 2005, 04:18 PM NHFT
Here's the FSP thread.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=8201.0

Working on a flyer for the rally now.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 08, 2005, 04:32 PM NHFT
Here are two pre-made (by jmaynard) flyers for the event:

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Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 09, 2005, 07:44 AM NHFT
I posted the event on bureaucrash.  I was thinking this would make a good national press release.  It'd likely to get some national coverage since it's going before the supreme court.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 09, 2005, 08:42 AM NHFT
Who is interested in doing the New London Rally with us?

The Castle Coalition will also help anyone that wants to have a local rally with signs and materials. There are 20 rallies currently planned across the US.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: AlanM on February 09, 2005, 09:17 AM NHFT
I'd love to join in, but I have to work. Why can't we have some demonstrations on Week-ends? (I don't get holidays off)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 09, 2005, 09:22 AM NHFT
We can.  The date for this one was set by another group.  If you want to hold one around here on Sunday or some such thing, that would be great too!  We could go to both of them :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: AlanM on February 09, 2005, 09:42 AM NHFT
If there are others who want to do a Sunday protest, I'm up for it.  :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 09, 2005, 11:18 AM NHFT
You can contact Christina at the Institute for Justice to get supplies. Just go to my original link. :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 21, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 10, 2005, 03:17 PM NHFT
any comments on this flyer?  I'm sure it could be worded better.

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Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 11, 2005, 11:09 AM NHFT
Latest news from the Institute for Justice:

QuoteSorry it took me a couple days to get back to you - we're still trying to hammer out the final details with all of our rally organizers. Below is the description of activities we've received thus far from the rally organizer, Fred Paxton (fspax@conncoll.edu). Please feel free to contact him with any questions.

1. Send-off rally for Fort Trumbull neighbors ("Ms. Susette Goes to Washington") on Sunday, February 20, at 3 pm at Union Square in New London, across from the train station
2. 8-9am on Thursday, the 17th in conjunction with the 5th Anniversary of the Thursday morning prayer walks through the neighborhood
3. on the 22nd in front of the old courthouse where the case began

How about we join them for the Sunday the 20th Send-off rally?  :D
They are supplying Fred with plenty of sign etc. so we just need to show up.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 12, 2005, 07:36 AM NHFT
Latest from Fred:
QuoteIt's at the intersection of State St. and Bank St. in New London. The rally will last about an hour and a half at the most. It's a sendoff for the plaintiffs in the case, so we'll talk it up, have them speak if they wish, and generally make a public statement of suipport for them and opposition to the abuse of eminent domain and the wrongheadedness of development plans that demand it when it is not only unnecessary, but counterproductive. We're sending a press release out to print, radio and TV media outlets on Monday. After the rally any number of people will retire to one of the local restaurants or taverns. You'd be welcome to join us if you like. Fred
I am really looking forward to this. Kat has made a flyer and I will be looking for Lloyds van. :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 16, 2005, 08:56 AM NHFT
Watched a great movie last night "The Castle" about a mans fight against an airport and eminent domain. He takes it all the way to the Australian High Court. It is such a great picture. In this story he wins....I hope the people from New London can win too. :D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 16, 2005, 09:24 AM NHFT
The Fifth Amendment states, "nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."  I think it's completely clear "Public use" not the "public good".  If the Supreme Court rules against Kelo, I can be sure they are corrupt.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 18, 2005, 02:42 PM NHFT
Anyone want to ride with us Sunday?
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 20, 2005, 10:05 AM NHFT
See you all there. 8)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2005, 07:46 AM NHFT
We had 8 freestaters at the rally yesterday:  Lloyd, Estelle, Jon Bender, Jason Sorens, Tony Stelik, Russell, me and one other I can't recall his name.  There was lots of people from the press.  Russell got in a nice plug for NH:

http://www.theday.com/eng/web/news/re.aspx?re=EA1062E5-5D92-4AED-8EAF-B21ACC681C6D

We handed out FSP flyers to ~50 people who were there.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2005, 10:04 AM NHFT
Some video here:

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=2975310
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: davemincin on February 21, 2005, 12:44 PM NHFT
Hey Russell...nice job with the interview. :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 21, 2005, 03:05 PM NHFT
Hey it is cool when they seek you out and ask questions...the media did a decent job of covering this event too. :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Pat K on February 21, 2005, 04:49 PM NHFT
Good job as usual guys. ;D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on February 21, 2005, 05:38 PM NHFT
Waited at the ferry for you to arrive, Pat
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Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Pat K on February 21, 2005, 06:21 PM NHFT
What? I hope your just busting my balls. I know I know I did not go. It seems sometimes that it's a friggen conspiericy to keep me on L.I.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2005, 06:28 PM NHFT
We found poor little lloyd, shivering, almost frozen to death by the ferry boat, waiting holding that red rose. 
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on February 21, 2005, 06:35 PM NHFT
Ya! Brrrrrr, I was sure you would come. snif
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2005, 06:36 PM NHFT
There, there Lloyd.  You'll find someone else someday.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on February 21, 2005, 06:45 PM NHFT
Hey Now!, I think I've been misunderstood!  Wait a minute!  I'm not............not that there is anything wrong with................... ;D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 21, 2005, 06:47 PM NHFT
What are you trying to say Lloyd??  Man, you're starting to sound like Dave Mincin!
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 21, 2005, 06:56 PM NHFT
PatK is starting to sound like Maynard....with the endless excuses.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Pat K on February 21, 2005, 09:03 PM NHFT
Thanks Russell just for that next time I will show up .
Then you will be sorry. ;D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on February 22, 2005, 07:02 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on February 21, 2005, 09:03 PM NHFT
Thanks Russell just for that next time I will show up .
Then you will be sorry. ;D

You can't threaten Russell by drinking all of the beer Pat. You'll have to drink all of the tea.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2005, 09:09 AM NHFT
NO!!  Not all the tea!
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 22, 2005, 09:29 AM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on February 22, 2005, 07:02 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat K on February 21, 2005, 09:03 PM NHFT
Thanks Russell just for that next time I will show up .
Then you will be sorry. ;D

You can't threaten Russell by drinking all of the beer Pat. You'll have to drink all of the tea.
I like to say "We dumped tea for less than this"....but maybe I should change it to something like....we drank too much beer for less reason
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: davemincin on February 22, 2005, 10:10 AM NHFT
Quote from: katdillon on February 21, 2005, 06:47 PM NHFT
What are you trying to say Lloyd??? Man, you're starting to sound like Dave Mincin!

Hey!!!  What you mean by that?? ???

Word I get, Lloyd left the Seacoast Area, because we have to many pretty gal's
coming to our meetings! ;D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Pat K on February 22, 2005, 12:19 PM NHFT
Tea! God help me the Borgia's would do better.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2005, 05:11 PM NHFT
Local reception and press were great!  Lots of people honking.  There was a ton of people from the press, and all I read/saw was positive.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 22, 2005, 05:11 PM NHFT
Update from IJ:

Friends,

Thank you for being part of an exciting 24 hours for property rights!  We appreciate your rally planning and are thrilled about the news coverage and property rights stories that have been told around the country, as we argued Kelo v. New London today in the U.S. Supreme Court.  It's hard to tell where the Justices stand on the issues from what is said in the argument, but the hearing went very well and we are thrilled that the Court finally heard this case.  We will send out a transcript of the argument as soon as it becomes available.

Serendipitously, in another IJ case: Today, the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that the home of Norwood, Ohio couple Carl and Joy Gamble and rental property of Joe Horney must be protected until the Ohio courts consider their case.  This is a great victory for IJ, property rights, and most of all for our clients who have been fighting to defend their homes.  More information is below and on our web site at www.ij.org.

Onward,

Elizabeth Moser
Outreach Coordinator

Steven Anderson
Castle Coalition Coordinator

Institute for Justice
1717 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Suite 200
Washington, DC 20006
202-955-1300
fax 202-955-1329
emoser@ij.org
Litigating for Liberty: www.IJ.org

INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE www.ij.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:  FEBRUARY 22, 2005

Ohio Supreme Court Protects Home From Eminent Domain Destruction

Washington, D.C.-Today the Ohio Supreme Court ruled that the homes of Norwood residents Carl and Joy Gamble, as well as the rental property of Joe Horney, must be protected while the Ohio courts consider the merits of their appeal.  The homeowners, represented by the Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Justice, are seeking to protect the properties from private developer Jeffrey Anderson, who is working with the City of Norwood to take the homes to try to expand his $500,000,000 empire.  Anderson had refused to give any assurance to the homeowners that he would not destroy the homes, but as a result of today?s ruling, until some future ruling by the Ohio Supreme Court, Anderson may not damage, alter or destroy the properties.

?We have felt all along that the trial court had ruled incorrectly in allowing Anderson to destroy the Gambles? home while the merits of the case were not decided once and for all,? said Bert Gall, an attorney with the Institute for Justice, which represents the property owners for free.  ?Now when we win on behalf of Carl and Joy and Joe, they will all have homes to return to.  That is the way the system should operate; the courts shouldn?t allow a developer like Anderson to destroy first and ask questions later.?

        In two separate orders, one on behalf of the Gambles, and one on behalf of Horney, the Court ruled: ?This cause is pending before this court as a discretionary appeal.  Upon consideration of appellants? emergency motion for stay of court of appeals? judgment and motion for injunctive relief, IT IS ORDERED by the court that the motions be, and hereby are, granted.  IT IS FURTHER ORDERED by the court that the appellees are hereby enjoined from destroying or otherwise altering the subject property pending further order of this court.?

        Joy Gamble said, ?I am so grateful the Ohio Supreme Court heard our plea and came to our rescue.  Our home will be left standing, undamaged.  We will have a home to come back to when we win.  We?re looking forward to getting this resolved and back into our home.?

        Mrs. Gamble concluded, ?We have been under a tremendous strain because of Jeffrey Anderson, but we have accepted nothing from him-whether it was the cruise he offered us or the $2,500 in moving expenses.  We want nothing from Anderson but to be left alone to enjoy the home that is rightfully ours.?

        Earlier in the day, the Institute for Justice argued a case before the U.S. Supreme Court looking to set the outer limit on the use of eminent domain, seeking a ruling that government may not take private property for private ?economic development? and that government must have some specific use for the land it seeks to take rather than merely taking the land for speculation.

Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on February 22, 2005, 05:17 PM NHFT
Quote from: davemincin on February 22, 2005, 10:10 AM NHFT
Quote from: katdillon on February 21, 2005, 06:47 PM NHFT
What are you trying to say Lloyd??? Man, you're starting to sound like Dave Mincin!

Hey!!!? What you mean by that?? ???

Word I get, Lloyd left the Seacoast Area, because we have to many pretty gal's
coming to our meetings! ;D

No, I left because I couldn't handle the competition for the pretty ladies that you presented! ::)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: davemincin on February 22, 2005, 05:25 PM NHFT
Hey Lloyd...Expect our paths will continue to pass from time to time, and for that I am grateful! :)
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on February 22, 2005, 05:37 PM NHFT
Quote from: davemincin on February 22, 2005, 05:25 PM NHFT
Hey Lloyd...Expect our paths will continue to pass from time to time, and for that I am grateful! :)

You're probably right and you're damned lucky! ;D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 23, 2005, 05:55 AM NHFT
Some more news from IJ:

Friends,

Since many of you have called and emailed, inquiring on how the Kelo hearing went today - below are a few resources that offer a good "snapshot" view and summary of the arguments and events today.  Also included is a must-see video and news story from Minnesota, just one of hundreds of moving stories around the country this week on vigils/rallies and local property rights battles.

Visit http://www.ij.org/private_property/connecticut/nl-argument_photo.html for a few photos from the hearing, and check back often to IJ's web site and www.castlecoalition.org for more photos, the latest on IJ's property rights cases, and information on property rights efforts in your state.

A few news articles/radio spots on the hearing that give a good summary of the arguments presented:
Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45249-2005Feb22.html
NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4508927
CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/22/scotus.eminent.domain/
ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=522629
KARE 11 (Minn.) - Great video: http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75825.

Thanks to all for helping us make this week possible!

Cheers,
Liz Moser
Outreach Coordinator
Institute for Justice
emoser@ij.org
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 23, 2005, 06:34 AM NHFT
The NPR story is good:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4508927
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 23, 2005, 07:05 AM NHFT
Wow that city official in MN should be tarred and feathered >:D
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: BlueLu on February 23, 2005, 07:48 AM NHFT
I heard this when it broadcast.  It was especially gratifying to hear the reporter call IJ, "the libertarian Institute for Justice".  This is the first time I can remember that adjective being stuck in front of a name on a news program, when it did not sound like it was an attempt to marginalize the thing being named.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on February 23, 2005, 07:54 AM NHFT
Oh yeah, the NPR report said they expected a decision from the Supreme Court by summer.  I guess these things take a while  :-\
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Russell Kanning on February 23, 2005, 07:58 AM NHFT
Even computer magazine writer Dvorak has this issue on his blog dvorak.org (http://dvorak.org) and specifically here (http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=1432)
Title: Re: Kelo v. New London Transcript
Post by: Kat Kanning on March 18, 2005, 04:12 PM NHFT
Dear Friends,

As promised, the Kelo v. New London argument transcript is now available online.  Below are the links to the PDF and the Supreme Court's main transcript page.

Kelo: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/04-108.pdf

Main page: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts.html
(Lingle v. Chevron - another property rights case heard the day of Kelo - is also available on this site.)

Best wishes,
Elizabeth Moser
Outreach Coordinator
emoser@ij.org

Steven Anderson
Castle Coalition Coordinator
sanderson@ij.org

Institute for Justice
1717 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Suite 200
Washington, DC 20006
202-955-1300
fax 202-955-1329
Litigating for Liberty: www.IJ.org
Castle Coalition: www.castlecoalition.org
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 06, 2005, 05:59 AM NHFT
There should be a ruling on this real soon.

Supposedly they're be issuing their ruling on medical marijuana today too.
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: Kat Kanning on June 06, 2005, 06:23 AM NHFT
Cool on the training.  Are you starting a NH chapter?
Title: Re: Kelo v. City of New London RALLY! February 20, 2005
Post by: AlanM on June 26, 2005, 01:27 AM NHFT
The only things worse than the sheeple public are the sheeple politicians.