Someone came up with this idea. I like it.
We could make a list of 10 states to choose from and vote for the one with the best government programs.
I think we could tweak this Mission Statement some:
The Free Lunch Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property. The success of the Project would likely entail reductions in taxation and regulation, reforms at all levels of government to expand individual rights and free markets, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and the world.
The Free Lunch Project is an agreement among 20,000 progressive activists to move to one state, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the minimum role of government is the protection of the citizens of the world, the general welfare, the environment, and our children's future. The success of the Project would likely entail additional taxation of wealthy individuals/businesses and regulation of global corporations, reforms at all levels of government to expand group rights and fair markets, and a restoration of true social democracy, demonstrating the benefits of equality to the rest of the nation and the world.
Statement of Intent
I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the chosen state. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the minimum role of civil government is the education of our youth, protection of the environment, security of the global community, and equal distribution of property.
There's No Such Thing as a Free Lunch.
Tracy
They have them at schools.
Somebody pays for it.
Tracy
Ytsvu, you're not reading here. Please put your principles aside and work with Russell on this.
;D
Is this a state we can send all the liberals too?
Tracy
I can't get the text to circle around the bottom. It should say "Equality in Our Lifetime".
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Free Lunch Project -- Three Squares for everyone in our Lifetime?
Cradle to grave, and all that, yeah.
Uncle Sam will give you Spam!!!
a chicken sandwich in every bag
"Economic Rent Attaching to all Unimproved Land" ;D
Sorry, Frank, i couldn't resist.
What would be cool is to track down all the real "Free Lunch Projects" going on in the country (I'm sure there are some.) and then start a project in NH to help liberal NH residents move to any FLP project of their choosing (as long as it is outside of NH of course). We would offer free one way bus/airplane tickets and help them pack. What do you think?
Quote from: Lex Berezhny on June 17, 2006, 08:50 PM NHFT
start a project in NH to help liberal NH residents move to any FLP project of their choosing (as long as it is outside of NH of course)
That's the general idea, so I've heard >:D
I think they should vote for the single best state.
California, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New York, Rhode Island...
Elizabeth knows a woman that lives in a 600k house and her kids get free lunches at school. :P
Kat's logo one step further.
;D
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Whichever state is chosen can host the 1st annual Sheep Security Festival aka MuttonFest :P
LOL, ;D
I want my equality!
Quote from: Roger Grant on June 17, 2006, 10:12 PM NHFT
Elizabeth knows a woman that lives in a 600k house and her kids get free lunches at school. :P
Kat's logo one step further.
;D
All the 'milk' programs in almost EVERY public school is. It is only a nickel for a carton of milk. I am trying to track down the details.
Oh thanks Roger! ;D
My initial nominees:
Hi, CA, MA, VT, NY, WA, OR, RI, CT, and the ringer DC :)
Quote from: russellkanning on June 18, 2006, 11:06 AM NHFT
My initial nominees:
Hi, CA, MA, VT, NY, WA, OR, RI, CT, and the ringer DC :)
Those are some tough choices.
I have lived in three of those places (CA, MA, DC) they all suck in their own way. But I think that DC in its current form is much like a prison. I think it would get my vote.
HEY! What about Wisconsin? I think Wisconsin should replace Vermont. Vermont doesn't have Wal-marts, and welfare recipients LOVE Wal-mart
Vermont has two Walmarts (Bennington & Williston).
What's this with welfare recipients love Walmart's??? Good grief, it's the average American wage slave looking for deal that made Walmart's what it is, not welfare recipients (who in any case, don't have enough disposable income, combined, to make Walmart's the #1 global retailer).
Quote from: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on June 18, 2006, 11:22 AM NHFT
HEY! What about Wisconsin? I think Wisconsin should replace Vermont. Vermont doesn't have Wal-marts, and welfare recipients LOVE Wal-mart
I have been to Wal-mart in VT. It is very nice.
I drove by one once. It is on the right side as you drive I 89 N.
Quote from: russellkanning on June 18, 2006, 11:06 AM NHFT
My initial nominees:
Hi, CA, MA, VT, NY, WA, OR, RI, CT, and the ringer DC :)
But DC has no representation in Congress!
Quote from: Pat K on June 17, 2006, 05:19 PM NHFT
Uncle Sam will give you Spam!!!
Don't forget the steady supply of government cheese for those living in vans down by the river. :P
Would you be depressed if FLP signups eclipsed FSP signups?
No
I am just happy that there are actually walmarts allowed in VT. :)
Quote from: Marcy on June 18, 2006, 11:56 AM NHFT. . . welfare recipients (who in any case, don't have enough disposable income, combined, to make Walmart's the #1 global retailer).
Not yet; they don't. But the FLP will help move things along a bit.
During last year's Porcfest, I went over the border to VT to pick up a blanket from the Walmart that is closest to Lancaster. I think that it would be easier to get potential FLP participants to move from NH to VT or MA, since they wouldn't have to go too far.
I think they might like MA best.
At least in MA when the citizens (by ballot initiative) pass an income-tax-reduction (as we did did soooooo many years ago) they can count on the legislature making sure that it never actualy happens. So they'll also get to snicker (probably for the rest of there lives) while polititions keep pretending that they will be the one to get it done - even if very,very incrementaly.
Besides, in VT there are guns - and guns can scare people you know.
no guns allowed is a big factor
I keep expecting Max to post that there should be a second FLP state chosen. (MN of course - at least as socialist as MA - call it the FLP Midwest) ;)
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 19, 2006, 08:53 AM NHFT
I keep expecting Max to post that there should be a second FLP state chosen. (MN of course - at least as socialist as MA - call it the FLP Midwest) ;)
No, it needs to be a warmer state. A lot of people move south when they get old, anyway.
Quote from: Keith and Stuff on June 19, 2006, 10:05 AM NHFT
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 19, 2006, 08:53 AM NHFT
I keep expecting Max to post that there should be a second FLP state chosen. (MN of course - at least as socialist as MA - call it the FLP Midwest) ;)
No, it needs to be a warmer state. A lot of people move south when they get old, anyway.
Cuba? >:D
Soon MA could/will have the highest minimum wage law in the country.
Now that will surely put them at the top of th FLP list.
The worst thing about MA going FLP is that even the most marginaly sane might want to escape to NH.
I'm rethinking: A warmer state might be much, much better.
Quote from: Ron Helwig on June 19, 2006, 08:53 AM NHFT
I keep expecting Max to post that there should be a second FLP state chosen. (MN of course - at least as socialist as MA - call it the FLP Midwest) ;)
:o
Mass regulations specify that if you are low-income (welfare, disability, social security) AND provide a utility company with a doctor's note saying you need electricity or heat, your power cannot be shut off. Even if you never pay the bill. (The rest of the rate-paying public simply picks up the tab in the form of higher rates).
Ohhhhhh that is a very good reason to pick Mass.
So when should we pick the 10 candidates?
Maybe Maine would be good:
Lisbon school plans to use fingerprint ID in lunch line
AP | June 20 2006
LEWISTON, Maine --A big change is in the works next winter in the hot lunch line at the Lisbon Community School.
The elementary school, with an enrollment of more than 750, will be shifting to fingerprint identification technology -- broadly known as biometrics -- to track lunch orders and eliminate the need for meal cards or numeric codes.
Lisbon is believed to be the first school system in Maine to shift to fingerprint ID in the lunchroom.
James Damsgaard, nutrition director for the Lisbon schools, has been fingerprinting students' index fingers in preparation for the launch. Each finger is linked to an in-house debit account loaded up by parents.
Technical glitches and concerns among parents have dissuaded other school districts in Maine from taking similar steps to upgrade lunch lines.
"When you mention fingerprinting, (parents) just go off the wall," said Walter Beesley, an education specialist at Child Nutrition Services in the state Department of Education. "There's been a lot of noise about it."
Alaska has been finger-imaging students for years, Beesley said, but he was unaware of any schools in Maine that have tried it.
A handful of families in Lisbon have objected to the practice, according to Damsgaard. "That's their prerogative," he said, and those students will get bar codes to swipe.
The lunch line package, which includes the image reader, costs between $10,000 and $12,000. Besides the high-tech ID, the new software better tracks what kids eat and spend, and can relay that information if parents ask, Damsgaard said.
The growing use of biometrics has been touted as convenient, accurate and theft-proof, but the trend is not without its critics.
"Compiling this information in a database is extremely dangerous. Government entities don't have a good track record with maintenance of private information," said Shenna Bellows, executive director of the Maine Civil Liberties Union.
Do the poor migrate to receive higher benefits?
http://www.faculty.econ.northwestern.edu/faculty/meyer/MIGRATEFullPaper1.pdf
Another article on welfare and migration:
http://www.prb.org/cpipr/demography/De_Jong.pdf
Massachusetts might not seem like such a good idea for the FLP . . . for those who want fluffernutters for their lunch, anyway.
http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_170083031.html (http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_170083031.html)
"But with too many kids eating unhealthy amounts of sugar and fat, his son's report that he could get a fluffernutter for lunch at school each day prompted State Senator Jarrett Barrios (D-Cambridge) to call for a tight limit on how often schools can serve up the local delicacy."
Time to set up a fluffernutter stand near some MA schools. :o
oh lord. when i first started reading this, i thought russel had become a socialist.
then i realized it was a joke when i got to page 2
In selection of the 10 potential states, preference must be given to high population states. FLP membership will be representative along all lines of disempowerment. (In fact, membership will be restricted once any given quota is met.) However, the group rights of 20,000 individuals clearly could never be representative of the rights of millions. High population states will allow the project to enhance the local sheep culture and enhance free lunch opportunities.
You have to include my home state of Illinois. Recent laws:
- Meth registry
- More gun bans
- Foie gras ban
- Cell phone ban
- Nuclear free zones
- Fatty food tax
Quote from: russellkanning on June 20, 2006, 10:48 AM NHFT
Ohhhhhh that is a very good reason to pick Mass.
So when should we pick the 10 candidates?
I propose that we conduct a forum poll beginning July 1. In the interim, if a state you favor has not been mentioned, please post it in this thread so that it can be included in the poll.
The poll should include all nominated states, and each person would vote for their "favorite" state to be the Free Lunch State. After this poll concludes, we should drop the states with the least number of votes to get the list down to a maximum of 10 states. Then a later runoff would be held among the 10 choices.
If, however, we start with 16 states and only 10 states get any votes, then the top vote-getter would be the selected state and there would be no need for a second vote.
The 16 states nominated so far:
California
Connecticut
DC
Hawaii
Illinois
Louisiana
Maine
Massachusetts
Minnesota
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
Wisconsin
Maine and Vermont were on the original 10 state to choose from for the FSP...
Quote from: FrankChodorov on June 22, 2006, 03:29 PM NHFT
Maine and Vermont were on the original 10 state to choose from for the FSP...
Their small populations (under 1.5 million) weren't enough of an advantage for the FSP and might be a hindrance for the FLP. This will be interesting.
Quote from: FrankChodorov on June 22, 2006, 03:29 PM NHFT
Maine and Vermont were on the original 10 state to choose from for the FSP...
:biglaugh:
My vote goes to Illinois where not only the lunches are free but they are made by someone's brother-in-law.
"Don't send no one that no one didn't send" is how we hire.
We moved from IL and I can attest to the socialism there. It would be #1 on my list for the FLP.
Shouldn't Jersey be on that list?
Quote from: deror on June 21, 2006, 11:55 PM NHFT
oh lord. when i first started reading this, i thought russel had become a socialist.
then i realized it was a joke when i got to page 2
Man .... we were not even trying to trick you. :) You have to move quick before you think we all have gone pinko commee when we really try to play the part. ;)
I like NC2NH's idea. Just run with it.
Do you have a website yet?
Quote from: russellkanning on June 28, 2006, 07:00 PM NHFT
I like NC2NH's idea. Just run with it.
Do you have a website yet?
Not yet. I'm about to finish another website and then I'll get on it. It was fun discussing this idea with Jason Sorens. He seemed to like it. :D
Canada is a possibility.
Quote from: NC2NH on June 30, 2006, 09:41 PM NHFT
*If Canada wins, we can have another vote on which province later. Maybe we can get the Manchester & Nashua police to join this project. :P
Watch this thread for a poll in the coming days...
And Dover. Can't forget Dover.
Tracy
I'm surprised that Michigan didn't make the list. ???
Sounds to me like you just added it to the list. :P
Voting has begun! http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=4293
Let's discuss our choices...
I like Mass
I am advocating for Wisconsin. The other places are very liberal, to be sure, but Wisconsin is also FUN.
Look, if we're serious about making the FLP attractive to collectivists, so that they will actually MOVE, then we need to pick a state that has something going for it. It doesn't just need to be a statist hell-hole. Any number of places could qualify for that.
Madison is one of the most amazing and FUN towns in the country.
Wisconsin for FLP!!!!
Ever been to Madison for the Midwest Harvest Festival? That was a real good time. I wonder if they still have it?
Never been for that. I'm sure it was fun, though. :)
Wisconsin for FLP!!!! ;D
Hey, I have an idea, can we set up a system for opting out of different states?
Quote from: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on July 03, 2006, 08:51 PM NHFT
Never been for that. I'm sure it was fun, though. :)
Wisconsin for FLP!!!! ;D
Hey, I have an idea, can we set up a system for opting out of different states?
Sorry, Caleb. Statism means one size fits all. :P
Quote from: NC2NH on June 26, 2006, 09:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: katdillon on June 26, 2006, 03:28 PM NHFT
Shouldn't Jersey be on that list?
:duh: Definitely.
Does anyone think New Jersey's government shutdown makes it less appealing for the FLP?
I think I'll wait and see how it is "resolved."
Quote from: NC2NH on July 05, 2006, 10:12 PM NHFT
Does anyone think New Jersey's government shutdown makes it less appealing for the FLP?
I think I'll wait and see how it is "resolved."
It's been amusing. I like how the beaches and parks were closed. What did they do, put a gate across the beach? Are police out there writing tickets for people who go to the beach anyway? Wouldn't that be rather silly in light of their "essential services only" status?
And the casinos are closed because the casino inspectors aren't working?
The lottery is shutdown?
You would think the world couldn't function without government employees!
It has got to hurt NJ's chances. How can you have free lunches if the government is shut down?
Do the government employees get paid when the government shuts down?
I read in the USA Today that 40,000 NJ state employees in "critical" jobs are working without pay. [[evil, Butthead laugh]]
Quote from: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on July 06, 2006, 08:28 PM NHFT
I read in the USA Today that 40,000 NJ state employees in "critical" jobs are working Quotewithout pay
. [[evil, Butthead laugh]]
I bet that after the gov caves and funds and the government is back up and running that they people that worked will received back pay.
I think that is what happened when the Fed Gov closed down in the mid 90s.
But it's gotta be healthy free lunches, because otherwise the population will wind up overweight. I propose Canada as a good subject, thanks to people like this:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1152222610335 (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1152222610335)
I've been corrupted by you folks. Rather than my reaction being "what a bloody waste of money" and then forgetting about it, I got distracted by the stupid rules that would be imposed on companies.
Quote from: russellkanning on July 06, 2006, 07:53 PM NHFT
It has got to hurt NJ's chances. How can you have free lunches if the government is shut down?
Do the government employees get paid when the government shuts down?
I'm shocked that hasn't become a thread of its own.... or have I just missed it?
Well, I'm not going to withdraw my support for Wisconsin just yet ...
But California is starting to look even more enticing. I was reading USA Today, and they had a great article about the Mayor of San Francisco taking matters into his own hands with respect to health care. He's instituting citywide, single payer health care. The funny thing is, he's claiming that he has the authority to do this all by himself, he's not even sending it to the City Council for them to vote on it.
Wow! Free health care. The catch is, its going to be paid by local businesses. They're screaming bloody murder, but he says that, since not enough businesses have volunteered to fund the program, he's going to have to FORCE them.
What a great opportunity for the FLP, if we could concentrate 20,000 liberty-detesting moochers in San Francisco to take advantage of this wonderful advance in government benefits.
Massachusetts just voted to raise the state minimum wage to $8.00/hour by January 1, 2008, the highest in the country. :'(
VOTE MASS FOR FLP!
wow, might be time for another mass edition of the newspaper.
Quote from: katdillon on July 08, 2006, 07:45 AM NHFT
wow, might be time for another mass edition of the newspaper.
Speaking of which, thank you for sending me those boxes. I hadn't realized how many those were ;) I found that if I went to the end of the red line on the subway during rush hour, then for the first two or three stops put copies on the seats on the train, by the time the train made it to the end of the station nearly every copy had been picked up and at least glanced at.
Quote from: Braddogg on July 08, 2006, 02:44 AM NHFT
Massachusetts just voted to raise the state minimum wage to $8.00/hour by January 1, 2008, the highest in the country. :'(
VOTE MASS FOR FLP!
The workers need some way to pay for the mandated health insurance!
Quote from: Scott Roth on July 08, 2006, 04:37 PM NHFT
Take a good look at New Jersey, folks, because that's what could happen to our federal gov...Hopefully!!! Yay, secession!!!!
What I find funny about that is the casinos seem to be the only thing the people actually notice and they are private businesses being controlled by the government.
In California .... they always closed the lakes and beaches first.
Quote from: russellkanning on July 09, 2006, 09:29 PM NHFT
In California .... they always closed the lakes and beaches first.
Take away the bread and circuses, and people start demanding the state spend money.
Does anyone here know someone who lives in NJ? I'd love to hear if anyone actually even noticed the government shut down in anything other then areas in the public such as beaches or casinos that the government took over.
Evan Nappen still spends a lot of time there. You could ask him.
Quote from: Dietrich Bonhoeffer on July 07, 2006, 09:16 PM NHFT
But California is starting to look even more enticing. I was reading USA Today, and they had a great article about the Mayor of San Francisco taking matters into his own hands with respect to health care. He's instituting citywide, single payer health care. The funny thing is, he's claiming that he has the authority to do this all by himself, he's not even sending it to the City Council for them to vote on it.
That man (and that town) is downright scary. He pulled the same thing with gay marriage. He decided he could just ignore state law and start issuing marriage licenses. His action was probably just what the far right needed to rally support for a Federal Marriage Amendment. Remember, it was his town that honestly tried to ban guns. Let me repeat. Ban guns. Not a ban on carrying concealed weapons. Not even a ban on carrying guns openly. A ban on guns, anywhere, anytime, including in your own home. It didn't fly obviously, but it shows the disregard they show for the law.
I voted for CA perhaps because it's what I'm familiar with. Maybe it's too big though. Perhaps it shouldn't be in the running. However, maybe they could migrate to SF and try to secede from the state and the country. I'm for selling CA back to Mexico... but not until I sell my condo first.
Quote from: dalebert on July 25, 2006, 05:31 PM NHFTA ban on guns, anywhere, anytime, including in your own home. It didn't fly obviously, but it shows the disregard they show for the law.
They like the law ... it is your freedom they disregard.
Quote from: russellkanning on July 25, 2006, 08:21 PM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on July 25, 2006, 05:31 PM NHFTA ban on guns, anywhere, anytime, including in your own home. It didn't fly obviously, but it shows the disregard they show for the law.
They like the law ... it is your freedom they disregard.
Sorry, I was typing faster than I was thinking. I mean it shows their disregard for the Bill of Rights.
What kills me is they continue to elect people like that and even cheer him on as some kind of hero.
Quote from: lildog on July 26, 2006, 07:56 AM NHFT
What kills me is they continue to elect people like that and even cheer him on as some kind of hero.
Yep. And if you think about it, that's really the nature of politics. This guy's a local politician and therefore only answers to his constituents in S.F. As long as he has the support of the local majority, he'll get re-elected. S.F. is a prime example of what can happen when you have a tyrannical majority and no guiding principles, like the NAP.
When he singularly decided that CA law was wrong on marriage and started issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, he became a hero to his constituents and probably secured his title for as long as he wants it. OK, I'm all for marriage equality. Ideally, I'd like to see the state get out of the marriage business altogether and stop offering benefits based on a private contract, but in the meantime they shouldn't tell us who we can marry.
But his actions were at best mental masturbation and at worst did real damage. The marriages were bound to be overturned (and were) because he doesn't decide which laws are constitutional. That's the role of the courts. Meanwhile, by abusing his power, he gave fuel to the movement that created same-sex marriage bans in states across the country and got conservatives to turn out in droves in swing states to vote for Bush, the man liberal gays hate more than they hate islamo-fascism.
So yes, he's a hero to gay liberals, even though he very likely harmed the movement for marriage rights and helped their arch enemy get re-elected. Why exactly is he a hero? For nothing more than stroking some VERY fragile egos.
And from there he went on to ban guns, another thing he has no authority to do. The guy thinks he's a benevolent dictator.
Quote from: dalebert on July 26, 2006, 10:21 AM NHFT
So yes, he's a hero to gay liberals, even though he very likely harmed the movement for marriage rights and helped their arch enemy get re-elected. Why exactly is he a hero? For nothing more than stroking some VERY fragile egos.
Great point.
When I stop to think about government and how they go astray like this I have to continue to remind myself that half the population is below average intelligence since average is the middle ground.
For a while I wondered if I were in the lower or upper half but then I had my IQ tested and did very well (not quite mensa level but my sister actually made it and is a member).
If you think govt theft is wrong you must be in the upper half. ;)
Upper 2 percentile
The FLP site was found by the 'Dredge Report http://www.clutchpearls.com/ (http://www.clutchpearls.com/) and posted on the Cato-at-Liberty blog!!
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/11/16/dependence-in-our-lifetime/ (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/11/16/dependence-in-our-lifetime/)
I lurked in this thread earlier, but apparently missed the NJ government shutdown question.
Well, "non-essential services" included the DMV, which really sucked for me, because my work schedule makes it difficult for me to get to the DMV, even on special "extended hour" days. :P It so happened that my one day off from work during the week (they took holiday for the 3rd and 4th of July) was the first day of the government shutdown.
Pain in the ass NJ government...
Oh, wait, it's not the DMV anymore... it's the "Motor Vehicle Commission"... or is it the "Motor Vehicle Services?" Goddamned McGreevey--as if changing the name of the organization really made a difference in service.
I'll tell you what they did when they changed the name--they raised license and registration fees across the board!
At least the slightly more expensive registration fees in New Hampshire are offset by the fact that I don't have to pay sales or income tax. And, for my car, it'll probably be about $50 (which is what my brother paid, and he's got the same kind of car, one or two years older).
Ready to run with this project again? MA is looking awfully good. :D
Mass. health care plan moving forward
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yeah
That's absolutely ridiculous in so many ways. I hardly know where to start.