Keene has launched a public access TV station, and while I realize that public access is taxpayer funded it seems like too much of an opportunity to pass up. I admit that I would teach a libertarianism class in a public school if I had the chance.
I know that the station is looking for just about anything to put on. What do you guys think, and what sort of programme would you recommend?
Is anyone else interested by this?
A TV station? Or an access channel on the cable system? They're considerably different in terms of cost!
Public access channels are usually part of the cost of doing business for cable companies. They give up a channel slot (which they're already not using), and get a government-guaranteed monopoly. Pretty sweet deal for them, pretty crappy for the customers.
Kevin
I don't think very many people watch channel 8, but I think it's worth putting something together. Do you think there's any chance on them showing some of the work Roger has put together?
It's an access channel. How does it garuntee a monopoly? Essentially anyone can use the access channel. I understand it's administered by commitee.
I did think of Roger's stuff and they might air that if that is something Rog wants to do, earthaven.
I was thinking of trying to arrange a weekly time slot and do news events and interviews similar to stuff you would see in KFP. That kind of thing might require a good amount of filming and EDITING.
Quote from: citizen_142002 on August 18, 2006, 05:13 PM NHFT
It's an access channel. How does it garuntee a monopoly? Essentially anyone can use the access channel. I understand it's administered by commitee.
I did think of Roger's stuff and they might air that if that is something Rog wants to do, earthaven.
I was thinking of trying to arrange a weekly time slot and do news events and interviews similar to stuff you would see in KFP. That kind of thing might require a good amount of filming and EDITING.
Why not also reshow the pro-freedom public access show that they make and show on the Manchester public access?
Quote from: citizen_142002 on August 18, 2006, 05:13 PM NHFT
It's an access channel. How does it garuntee a monopoly? Essentially anyone can use the access channel. I understand it's administered by commitee.
The cable company gets to be the only cable company in the city of Keene. It's called a franchise. ::) Giving a channel to the city keeps the city from finding a different cable compnay to get the franchise.
Hmmm... Has that ever happened anywhere?
Quote from: citizen_142002 on August 18, 2006, 05:13 PM NHFT
It's an access channel. How does it garuntee a monopoly?
It's offered as a bone to the city, so that the cable company gets a monopoly to provide cable service.
Kevin
Earthhaven if you or anyone wants to put the Free State Activism DVD up on public access I would be very happy with that.
My experience is that they would probably be very interested in running the shows. They usually are dying to have content.
After you wet their appetite I would be willing to help your group create your own programming. :)
Quote from: citizen_142002 on August 18, 2006, 05:13 PM NHFT
It's an access channel. How does it garuntee a monopoly? Essentially anyone can use the access channel. I understand it's administered by commitee.
I did think of Roger's stuff and they might air that if that is something Rog wants to do, earthaven.
I was thinking of trying to arrange a weekly time slot and do news events and interviews similar to stuff you would see in KFP. That kind of thing might require a good amount of filming and EDITING.
It's one of the requirmenets the city madates to give them it's monopoly privliges.
Tracy
I have an internal conflict over "Public TV".
One one hand, I don't want to take advantage of a service provided by coercion. On the other, it's a great chance to offer our programming to Keene and the rest of NH.
I say go for it, and Keene Free Minds is the perfect group to head it. I volunteer to shoot as a second unit. :icon_pirat:
Quote from: earthhaven on August 18, 2006, 05:09 PM NHFT
I don't think very many people watch channel 8, but I think it's worth putting something together. Do you think there's any chance on them showing some of the work Roger has put together?
See, you get more viewers by:
1. Putting something together
2. Promoting
3. Not quitting
Quote from: KBCraig on August 18, 2006, 04:57 PM NHFT
A TV station? Or an access channel on the cable system? They're considerably different in terms of cost!
Public access channels are usually part of the cost of doing business for cable companies. They give up a channel slot (which they're already not using), and get a government-guaranteed monopoly. Pretty sweet deal for them, pretty crappy for the customers.
Kevin
Is this really how it works? I didn't know they were that good at wheeling and dealing! :D
Quote from: powerpenguin on August 19, 2006, 01:27 AM NHFT
Is this really how it works? I didn't know they were that good at wheeling and dealing! :D
There's really no wheeling and dealing. By the time cable TV came along, municipalities already had decades of experience at franchising utilities (phone company, electricity, gas, water, sewer, trash). By the time cable was born (c.1978-'81), it was established practice that only one provider would be allowed to service the community.
Then, in the late 1980s to early '90s, technology evolved to allow competitors to also provide cable service. It was decision time for local governments: allow competitors, or stick with the franchise monopoly. The incumbent franchise could offer something conrete: free local access channels, to be used by the local government, local schools, local charitable groups, etc., etc., all of which would cheer the incumbent politicians for "giving them" ::) time on the local access channel.
This lesson in history brought to you by a former broadcast journalism major. Eight bits and a BA-Jour will get you a cup of coffee, if you're not picky about the coffee.
Kevin
They called me a while back and asked me to do a regular show with FSP stuff.
Quote from: Roger Grant on August 18, 2006, 08:12 PM NHFT
Earthhaven if you or anyone wants to put the Free State Activism DVD up on public access I would be very happy with that.
My experience is that they would probably be very interested in running the shows. They usually are dying to have content.
After you wet their appetite I would be willing to help your group create your own programming. :)
We can call that Park guy every time his segment comes up and let him know its on ;D
;D 8)
Public access channels are good for keeping track of town politics and events if you actually live in the town it covers... mine is for littleton :-\
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 18, 2006, 11:44 PM NHFT
One one hand, I don't want to take advantage of a service provided by coercion.
Although in the area of cable I don't think it is 100% coercion.
Consumers don't have to get cable.
If you don't want cable you can get Directv or you can get DishNetwork.
I like the NoTV network. It's free.
Most town bureaucrats watch these "public access" channels very regularly and they're usually the star of the show. :P That's why I call it the Bureaucrat Channel.
What could we put in front of a bureaucrat that would be effective for liberty? Aren't they completely hopeless?
I don't think the content will be as big an issue as you think.
Quote from: citizen_142002 on August 19, 2006, 06:46 PM NHFT
I don't think the content will be as big an issue as you think.
Right now they're showing low quality karaoke. I'd have to agree that they're not all that worried about content, from what I hear they're quite desparate for content.
Programming:
Roger's Political Graffitti productions
Flex Your Rights' "Busted!"
... what else?
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 19, 2006, 10:38 PM NHFT
Programming:
Roger's Political Graffitti productions
Flex Your Rights' "Busted!"
... what else?
Permission from Doug Stanhope and Penn & Teller to show their programs. ;D
Quote from: KBCraig on August 20, 2006, 12:00 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 19, 2006, 10:38 PM NHFT
Programming:
Roger's Political Graffitti productions
Flex Your Rights' "Busted!"
... what else?
Permission from Doug Stanhope and Penn & Teller to show their programs. ;D
Girls Gone Wild? :o
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 19, 2006, 10:38 PM NHFT
Programming:
Roger's Political Graffitti productions
Flex Your Rights' "Busted!"
... what else?
The Michael Badnarik CC videos are free to show
Various Free Market News Network vidios and Mises lectures that are in video format?
Maybe we can get enough liberty shows on that it will cause the statists to abolish the free government paid/channel. (or whatever)
Tracy
Mises lectures are a
GREAT
idea! 8)
Almost all the Mises luctures online now are done in both video and audio formats.
We could fill up 2 or 3 hours of lectures a day and not run out.
Tracy
I was watching yesterday and they were just playing the radio. Maybe Free Talk Live could jump on there, or better yet put a camera in the studio. They do need an affiliate in the area.
http://www.cheshiretv.org/
The guy said if I drop off Roger's DVD today, it'll air next week. ;D
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 21, 2006, 10:01 AM NHFT
The guy said if I drop off Roger's DVD today, it'll air next week. ;D
I've already seen it, but it sure is worth watching again :happy1:
Good Job Kat, and of course Roger.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 21, 2006, 10:01 AM NHFT
The guy said if I drop off Roger's DVD today, it'll air next week. ;D
Most excellent. 8)
It'll start showing next week. Sounds like they'll show it for 90 days.
FTLive can have a show like howard stern on the tv.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on August 21, 2006, 03:50 PM NHFT
FTLive can have a show like howard stern on the tv.
I think that this would be awesome. Before this summer channel 8 was WKNE and college students used to watch/listen to it while they got ready to be as non-productive as possible out on the town. This would be the perfect time slot as college kids usually sit in their rooms from about 7-11pm putting on make-up and pre-gaming.
Ian is waiting for AMP to reach $2,500 per month before he puts the web-cam up on www.freetalklive.com, but I think that this would be a great practice ground, and a perfect way to hit up the college crowd.
Wow what a great idea...
Ian if you guys want any help just let me know... we could probably put together a good crew from the college crowd... your program is a great draw for the Free State and Keene will be the beacon. 8)
We can learn to use their film equipment and tape shows there.
http://www.cheshiretv.org/gridweek.htm That will have the schedule next week.
I really appreciate the encouragement, but putting a radio show on television is the epitome of bad programming, in my opinion. The only reason it works for Stern is because he has naked women in the studio.
As I have discussed with Roger elsewhere, I'm totally behind pro-Liberty video production in NH. There's only so much I can do at this point. To start, I will be a second camera to Roger's for supplemental footage, alternate angles, etc. Where we'll go from there, I don't know.
I did find some other videos that might work well on the channel:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=utnow This guy definitely seems to be in our camp. I'm about to email him to say hello and feel things out.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 21, 2006, 04:31 PM NHFT
I really appreciate the encouragement, but putting a radio show on television is the epitome of bad programming, in my opinion.
Case in point: "Imus in the morning" on MSNBC. Bad radio, and horrible television.
Kevin
Does anyone know the contact info for the guys who do the Manch. show? I'd like to make their footage available to CheshireTV, if they are OK with that.
I think they want local programming.
I guess I have to make something myself, then.
Quote from: citizen_142002 on August 23, 2006, 01:56 PM NHFT
I guess I have to make something myself, then.
If you need help let me know. I don't know much about making movies and such, but I can always hold a mic or run equipment around :).
We should do a project together. 8)
Yeah...a project, but what to do?
It should be something with a local focus, but something that still touches on a bigger picture.
Ideas anyone?
Stories on how government has hurt people in the community. Grandma had to sell her house cause the property taxes were too high...that kind of stuff.
I was thinking along those lines and maybe just show general wastefulness aswell. Show shoddy public works products and then talk about all the money and time that was allowed for the job.
Some city guys sleeping in the trucks would be a good bit too.
Quote from: Dreepa on August 19, 2006, 11:43 AM NHFT
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 18, 2006, 11:44 PM NHFT
One one hand, I don't want to take advantage of a service provided by coercion.
Although in the area of cable I don't think it is 100% coercion.
Consumers don't have to get cable.
If you don't want cable you can get Directv or you can get DishNetwork.
Coercion? The town by law has to give you access to having a show...that's why it's called public access TV. There is no coercion involved.
Coercion is involved in that the cable company is granted a protected monopoly status.
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 24, 2006, 08:04 PM NHFT
Coercion is involved in that the cable company is granted a protected monopoly status.
Don't you have a radio show you're supposed to be doing right now? JK :P
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 24, 2006, 08:04 PM NHFT
Coercion is involved in that the cable company is granted a protected monopoly status.
True which I don't like, but if they are giving you a free venue for a TV show why not use it? Better than having a newspaper that won't print the truth is it not?
Oh, I agree.. I just said I was somewhat torn. It would be foolish to throw away the opportunity. I mean, we DID pay for it via Keene's exorbitant property taxes. :P
I've enjoyed reading the various posts on the forum, and would like to clear up a few minor details. Cheshire TV is funded (using the loosest sense of the word) by a ridiculously low .75% (Yes, that's a decimal in front of the 7) franchise fee billed to cable customers as a line item. The national average is 5%. That means I have very little money to work with. I am not, however, desperate for programming, but instead am extremely interested in what you folks are involved in. I am required by law to show any programming I am given, but as a citizen of the community I have the right to actively involve myself in any programming I choose. My unsolicted advice to you as a group is to ignore the meaningless content on the channel, and instead focus on making an effort to produce programming that gets your message out. Time Warner has an 80+% penetration in a 30,000 person community. That's a lot of audience to reach at absolutely no cost to you. Seems like a no brainer to me. Again, I would love to talk to any one of you about what you're doing, and how I can help facilitate any programing you would be interested in producing. All you have to do is call me at 283-6621, or contact me via the channel website, cheshiretv.org.
Thanks!
Quote from: CTV8 on August 29, 2006, 01:19 AM NHFT
I've enjoyed reading the various posts on the forum . . .
Welcome to the forum!
It's always good to have first-hand input input into our discussions. Thanks for updating us with facts and figures about the money involved in CTV8.
Our Keene-area folks would certainly appreciate your input about what content is allowed, what is not allowed, and the technical requirements.
Kevin
I don't see Roger's stuff on the schedule for this week.
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 24, 2006, 03:48 AM NHFT
Stories on how government has hurt people in the community. Grandma had to sell her house cause the property taxes were too high...that kind of stuff.
How often does this actually happen? Gramma manages to keep the house, but, has to go without other things. Her lifestyle drops and her retirement sucks, but, this is harder to dramatize than Gramma, actually, having to give up the house.
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on August 29, 2006, 07:36 AM NHFT
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 24, 2006, 03:48 AM NHFT
Stories on how government has hurt people in the community. Grandma had to sell her house cause the property taxes were too high...that kind of stuff.
How often does this actually happen? Gramma manages to keep the house, but, has to go without other things. Her lifestyle drops and her retirement sucks, but, this is harder to dramatize than Gramma, actually, having to give up the house.
In Bedford we have lots of grandmas that could not afford the house. They had to move.
Quote from: CTV8 on August 29, 2006, 01:19 AM NHFT
I've enjoyed reading the various posts on the forum, and would like to clear up a few minor details. Cheshire TV is funded (using the loosest sense of the word) by a ridiculously low .75% (Yes, that's a decimal in front of the 7) franchise fee billed to cable customers as a line item. The national average is 5%. That means I have very little money to work with. I am not, however, desperate for programming, but instead am extremely interested in what you folks are involved in. I am required by law to show any programming I am given, but as a citizen of the community I have the right to actively involve myself in any programming I choose. My unsolicted advice to you as a group is to ignore the meaningless content on the channel, and instead focus on making an effort to produce programming that gets your message out. Time Warner has an 80+% penetration in a 30,000 person community. That's a lot of audience to reach at absolutely no cost to you. Seems like a no brainer to me. Again, I would love to talk to any one of you about what you're doing, and how I can help facilitate any programing you would be interested in producing. All you have to do is call me at 283-6621, or contact me via the channel website, cheshiretv.org.
Thanks!
Welcome CTV8. Glad you're interested in what we're up to. What's your name?
Attention those looking to get involved in TV production: According to cheshiretv.org, they are looking for volunteers for their production crew. That would be a great way to gain some experience!
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 29, 2006, 11:31 AM NHFT
Attention those looking to get involved in TV production: According to cheshiretv.org, they are looking for volunteers for their production crew. That would be a great way to gain some experience!
Back home, I learned a lot of the basics of film shooting and editing. I did a monthly show with a few friends in high school, a few movies for class projects, and a few fun movies, too. But I'm so behind on the technology (hah, four years is a long time) that I'd be useless. It's amazing how fast things change. I stopped doing film editing once the non-linear editing system got installed at the studio. I decided it wasn't worth the effort of learning a new system. But, I hear that non-linear editing is about 100 times easier than the old linear editing I used to do.
BTW, Lloyd -- your new avatar is scaring me :o
Editing today is fun and affordable. Too bad I don't have time. Here's the last thing I did in 2003:
http://freetalklive.com/files/FTLLP0403promo.mpg
Quote from: FTL_Ian on August 30, 2006, 01:35 AM NHFT
Here's the last thing I did in 2003:
http://freetalklive.com/files/FTLLP0403promo.mpg
;D
What is allowed is virtually anything when it comes to content. Anything that has a copyright cannot be cablecast, unless you own the copyright, or have permission from the copyright holder. About the only other thing that can't be shown is obscene material, although obscene is tough to define, IMO, and commercial content. For the Keene area folks, additional info can be found at our website, cheshiretv.org, and by calling the studio or emailing me! - Lee
Quote from: Kat Kanning on August 29, 2006, 03:02 AM NHFT
I don't see Roger's stuff on the schedule for this week.
Programming is scheduled based on length. Anything that is 15 minutes or longer begins at the top of the hour or the half hour, and is on the schedule grid. If it's more than 15 min and less than 30, the rest of the half hour gets filled with short subjects, and those aren't on the guide. The videos on the DVD you supplied ar all under 15min, so they will get shown between other programs, but won't be on the guide. As I write this, for example, the piece called "New London Blues" played. Any time there is a gap between programs I will fill it with shorts like these. I encourage ANYONE with something to say to consider visiting the studio to produce a show with our help. 25,500 people in the Keene area have our channel.
8)