specifically the school I attended last year, that my brother still goes to.
They are writing up and giving detentions to students that carry backpacks into the school building, as well as any other bags.
I am going home this weekend and I will ask my brother more about this new policy and post it here.
This is supposedly to combat students bringing drugs and weapons to school. Something rarely sold in this school anyway. The only person I knew who sold drugs described his method to me - he would take the money and give the buyer a reciept (he gained their trust by providing references) and told them to pick it up from him in person at X location at X time. A bit safer than selling in a school, which has double legal penalties IIRC.
And I think I will write an LTE about this for the KFP and send it to other papers as well.
This is funny because I know that some schools (elementary) REQUIRE kids to have a backpack.
So much for the right of citizens to be secure in their posessions.
Geez!
If you could name some schools that are perpetrating this, and/or any specific bureaucrats who are behind it that would be helpful.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on September 08, 2006, 05:39 AM NHFT
If you could name some schools that are perpetrating this, and/or any specific bureaucrats who are behind it that would be helpful.
White Mountains Regional High School
www.sau36.org
Honestly, the second thing I thought of - where are girls supposed to keep their maxi pads?!
Why aren't students and parents protesting this?
Baaaaaaaaa!
Quote from: 9thmoon on September 08, 2006, 01:07 PM NHFT
Honestly, the second thing I thought of - where are girls supposed to keep their maxi pads?!
Why aren't students and parents protesting this?
Baaaaaaaaa!
I thought the same thing... I'm sure huge purses would be outlawed as well. if they became common.
But no, pretty much nobody is protesting. I have a friend that is wearing his backpack anyway, he told a teacher that the 4th amendment protects him from having it seized unless they have a warrant and truely suspect that he has something illegal in it, but they told him that the fourth amendment couldn't protect him because he didnt have that right in school, and that it did not apply because the bags had been banned outright.
That logic would see to be that sewing up mouths is compatible with the 1st amendment... or that bending the barrels of guns is compatible with the 2nd. "We're not limiting your speech, you're just not allowed to have a mouth."
You don't have a right to be in school, but the state compels you to attend?
The state creates that "right" I guess.
I want to email the guy who decided this policy and suggest also banning lunchboxes, requiring 1 gallon clear ziplocks, as "I have seen someone distributing weed from a brown lunch bag"
The more asinine the policy gets, the more likely it is to be disobeyed... Or it will be an interesting study in getting raped by authority
Go ahead, send an email.
Quote from: 9thmoon on September 08, 2006, 05:55 PM NHFT
Go ahead, send an email.
I'm going to wait and decide if I think it's a bad idea later on
Quote from: aries on September 08, 2006, 01:23 PM NHFT
he told a teacher that the 4th amendment protects him from having it seized unless they have a warrant and truely suspect that he has something illegal in it, but they told him that the fourth amendment couldn't protect him because he didnt have that right in school, and that it did not apply because the bags had been banned outright.
This is interesting. Ask him to have the teacher show him where is says that the 4th Amendment is nullified.
Quote from: Dreepa on September 08, 2006, 07:32 PM NHFT
Quote from: aries on September 08, 2006, 01:23 PM NHFT
he told a teacher that the 4th amendment protects him from having it seized unless they have a warrant and truely suspect that he has something illegal in it, but they told him that the fourth amendment couldn't protect him because he didnt have that right in school, and that it did not apply because the bags had been banned outright.
This is interesting. Ask him to have the teacher show him where is says that the 4th Amendment is nullified.
This is a guy that teaches civics.
I think he is claiming authority that he does not have.
Superintendent of Schools :
Dr. Dean S.T. Cascadden
14 King Square
Whitefield, NH 03598
Phone: (603) 837-9363
http://www.sau36.org
and should anyone wish to send emails...
CENTRAL OFFICE ADMINISTRATORS E-Mail Address BLDG POSITION
Barbara Baker bbaker@sau36.org CO Diagnostic Presc. Teacher
Dean Cascadden dcascadden@sau36.org CO Superintendent
Marie Fay mfay@sau36.org CO DSSS
Jeremy Noyes jnoyes@sau36.org Dist District IT Manager
Elise Thomas ethomas@sau36.org CO Director of Instruction
Frederick Vashaw rvashaw@sau36.org HS Bldgs/grounds
BUILDING ADMINISTRATORS
Ryan Earley rearly@sau36.org HS Asst. Principal
Sherri Gregory sgregory@sau36.org J Principal/Spec. Ed.
Richard Hartford rhartford@sau36.org L Asst. Principal
Lori Lane llane@sau36.org HS Vocational Director
Patricia McLean pmclean@sau36.org LES Principal
Beth Ann Morris bmorris@sau36.org NCCLASS Director/Teacher
Janet Steinert jsteinert@sau36.org W Asst. Principal
Melodie Stevens mstevens@sau36.org HS Dir. School Lunch
Ellen Turcotte eturcotte@sau36.org W Principal
Unfortunately, students at public schools enjoy very little in the way of Constitutional protections. Fortunately (I'm being sarcastic), it prepares students for going to the airport, courthouses, government buildings, and living in the United States.
To read what the "appropriate" standard is for determining when it is appropriate to seize / search students in public schools, read the 1985 U.S. Supreme Court opinion of New Jersey v. T.L.O. (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=469&invol=325)
It would be nice to have some students who "agitated" for civil disobedience / liberty-oriented activities in every school. I think that the Internet has had a measurable effect on the attitudes of many students -- they get to see (and get upset about) arbitrary and overreaching government actions (including suspensions being imposed for off-campus activities, such as posting on MySpace, etc.).
Quote from: Dreepa on September 07, 2006, 09:27 PM NHFT
This is funny because I know that some schools (elementary) REQUIRE kids to have a backpack.
Yup. Ours went so far as to tell us how to use it.
Most of our local schools require clear plastic backpacks, at least through the elementary grades. Upper grades get a pass, because they have so many books that are so heavy, the clear packs won't cut it.
Now, how much sense does that make? When's the last time you heard of a 5th grader blowing up a school? And those high-schoolers who brought guns, didn't do so in their backpacks!
It's a case of "We've got to do something!" meets "Zero tolerance!" They sit around thinking of things they can "do", which don't require actually confronting anyone who is potentially dangerous.
Frankly, I don't worry about the backpack policy. All our school books are carried home from bookstores and garage sales, to our "private school". This is one area where Texas doesn't suck: private schools are completely unregulated by the state, and homeschooling is legally the same as private schooling.
I'm cheering on Dawn Lincoln in her candidacy, because this is a hot issue for her. Get the state out of private education!
Kevin