Finally the Berlin federal prison was approved. The groundbreaking will be in the spring and it is scheduled to open in 2010. Kevin has awhile before packing.
Cathleen
He will never make it, he will crack before that. :) I predict late summer 08 for the arrival of the KB clan.
If I thought I could find a carpenter and or electricians job, heck I would be in NH before Christmas.
Quote from: Otosan on October 13, 2006, 06:20 PM NHFT
If I thought I could find a carpenter and or electricians job, heck I would be in NH before Christmas.
http://jobsearch.monster.com/jobsearch.asp?q=electric&cn=&lid=705&lid=530&sort=rv&vw=b&cy=US&re=14&brd=1%2C128%2C1862%2C1863&JSNONREG=1
First1000 right after
www.pledgebank.com/first1000
Quote from: cathleeninnh on October 13, 2006, 05:32 PM NHFT
Finally the Berlin federal prison was approved. The groundbreaking will be in the spring and it is scheduled to open in 2010. Kevin has awhile before packing.
"Open to receive inmates" comes a year to 18 months after it is staffed, so we'll still be on track for late '08 to early '09.
What praytell, does the staff do for 12-18 months? Sounds like it might be pretty cushy.
Cathleen
My guess is testing the systems and then training new hires.
Install and test lots of "stuff", as Dreepa says. Put lots of eyeballs on the ground, looking for potential problems, seeing what needs to be changed, etc. New hires who need training are among the very last to be hired.
With all due respect to KB ... is there a way we can get together and make this prison not happen?
Quote from: Caleb on October 14, 2006, 06:37 PM NHFT
With all due respect to KB ... is there a way we can get together and make this prison not happen?
That's okay, Caleb. I don't want to kick the anarchists out of NH. :-*
I don't want to kick *you* out of NH either, Kev ... but I *do* want to kick the feds out. And since they're only going to be here a little while longer, it's probably best if they don't start building new facilities. ;)
by the way ... if you just absolutely love the prison industry ... New Hampshire operates some prisons. there's a new one going up in Swanzey you could look into, maybe get here a little sooner. Although if you cooperate in my unjust incarceration, I probably would not appreciate it very much.
Quote from: Caleb on October 14, 2006, 07:23 PM NHFT
Although if you cooperate in my unjust incarceration, I probably would not appreciate it very much.
But just incarceration is ok. ;)
Quote from: Otosan on October 13, 2006, 06:20 PM NHFT
If I thought I could find a carpenter and or electricians job, heck I would be in NH before Christmas.
That should be easy to find around here.
We don't want a new jail in our county for fed prisoners .... why would we want a whole new fed jail in Berlin?
I'm pretty sure they didn't ask anyone in Keene when they voted on it in Berlin.
Quote from: Caleb on October 14, 2006, 06:37 PM NHFT
With all due respect to KB ... is there a way we can get together and make this prison not happen?
+1, although if KB is a supporter of this boondoggle, how much respect is he due?
You are treading on thin ice. We don't agree on some things but Kev has earned respect.
Cathleen
There are positives and negatives. I'll list a few of each.
Positives-
Guards get paid decent and need little education so when people say, are there any jobs in NH, the answer is yes :)
Berlin is an inexpensive area to live so these jobs can make it easier for lower middle class and actually working class people to move to NH as part of the FSP
There is always the chance that we will change a lot of state laws but the federal government will still have great power in NH and quite a few people will be sent to federal prison, now it will be easy to visit and protest for these people
Most people in federal prison were made bad by the government (if they are even bad at all) and they may be useful pro-freedom recruits
Having a few workers on the inside could help us by letting us know who are the prisons that are most likely to be recuited to the pro-freedom cause
more?
More Construction jobs
Negatives-
Most people that work for federal prisons are anti-freedom and tend to vote for the worst possible people
This means more Fed in NH
Berlin as a city government will likely get even more socialist
Berlin is the least freedom part of Coos County and it was shrinking, if it starts growing it will hurt the entire county
There is zero need for the prison and it is a complete waste of tax dollars
Has Kev quit his federal job?
Has Russell started paying federal taxes?
Quote from: cathleeninnh on October 16, 2006, 09:46 AM NHFT
You are treading on thin ice. We don't agree on some things but Kev has earned respect.
Cathleen
Thank you, Cathleen.
Quote from: KBCraig on October 16, 2006, 11:18 AM NHFT
Has Russell started paying federal taxes?
No ... I still don't pay.
Quote from: Keith and Stuff on October 16, 2006, 09:47 AM NHFT
There are positives and negatives.
There sure are. And let me point this out again: I wish this job didn't exist. If this were a free country, it wouldn't. But whether I'm the one filling a slot or not, the job will exist. Suggesting that I should quit is like telling freedom lovers that they shouldn't run for office, because that would be "participating in the system".
QuotePositives-
Guards get paid decent and need little education
To qualify at the very lowest level requires a bachelor's degree. Experience can be substituted for education, and three years of full time experience as a manager or counselor is required without a degree.
But, we don't hire people at that level. We hire at the second step, which requires 9 hours of graduate study in criminal justice, or experience in a directly related field.
QuoteMost people in federal prison were made bad by the government (if they are even bad at all) and they may be useful pro-freedom recruits
I don't know about "most". A significant portion are just bad people. The government, especially the war on drugs, makes them worse, without a doubt. But even in a society without government or laws, there are going to be bad people.
QuoteNegatives-
Most people that work for federal prisons are anti-freedom and tend to vote for the worst possible people
Again with the "most"... compared to what? "Most" of my colleagues are generally more concerned with rights and freedom than are the public at large. Many of them are law and order type traditional conservatives, but a larger portion of my colleagues support gun rights, privacy rights, and drug legalization, than do the people I meet outside of work.
QuoteThere is zero need for the prison and it is a complete waste of tax dollars
Depends on how you arrive at "need". If you start with the idea that most people in federal prison should rightly either be in state prison or not in prison at all, then, yes: there is no need. But if you are talking about medium security bedspace in the federal system as it exists, then there is definitely a need.
Kevin
Quote from: KBCraig on October 16, 2006, 02:07 PM NHFTDepends on how you arrive at "need". If you start with the idea that most people in federal prison should rightly either be in state prison or not in prison at all, then, yes: there is no need. But if you are talking about medium security bedspace in the federal system as it exists, then there is definitely a need.
There are two type of people in federal prison. Those that should be set free and paid a small amount of money for the crimes commited against them by the government and those that should be sent to state prisons.
I gave my comments not as an attack on you, but as a reasonable (maybe not as reasonable as you would like) look at both sides. I wanted to help people see both sides of the issue.
I sure wish another prison was not being built in NH but it is being built and there is nothing I can do to stop it. Just like I cannot stop people in a town in southern NH form giving out free drug test kits to adults. However, instead of just complaining, it is far more useful to think of ways to make something good come out of these problems. They can be used to help the freedom movement, and that is what I was trying to show on this thread and the thread about the drug test kits.
How does it go, "when life hands you lemons, make lemonade."
One jug of lemonade is that Kevin and family will be moving to NH. ;D
Quote from: Keith and Stuff on October 16, 2006, 02:25 PM NHFT
I gave my comments not as an attack on you, but as a reasonable (maybe not as reasonable as you would like) look at both sides. I wanted to help people see both sides of the issue.
Oh, and that's how I took it. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just elaborating some on the points you made.
Quote from: Rocketman on October 16, 2006, 02:54 PM NHFT
One jug of lemonade is that Kevin and family will be moving to NH. ;D
Can I trade that lemonade for some Rocketman brew? ;D :beer 219:
Let me just reiterate that my problem is not with KEVIN ... it's with a FEDERAL prison being built. I don't like state prisons very much either. But building more federal facilities is the opposite of what I want to encourage in this state. It would be great if eventually there just weren't any federal facilities here in NH.
I'm thinking that it isn't hopeless to stop it from happening. We may yet be able to throw a wrench in their plans and stop this horrible facility from being built. Ideas?
Caleb
Quote from: Caleb on October 16, 2006, 06:18 PM NHFT
Let me just reiterate that my problem is not with KEVIN ... it's with a FEDERAL prison being built.
I understand, and I understand the objections from the neighboring towns of Milan and Gorham. But then, many in NH will object to a shopping center, car lot, etc. There's also a lot of NIMBYism that doesn't object on principle, and would probably like the benefits, they just want it somewhere else ("it" being Wal Mart, new prison, anything else "objectionable").
QuoteI'm thinking that it isn't hopeless to stop it from happening. We may yet be able to throw a wrench in their plans and stop this horrible facility from being built. Ideas?
You're a little late to the party. This was a five year process, and the Friday announcement was a final decision. There have been numerous chances for public comment.
Kevin
Yea .... I don't like jails and really don't like federal ones.
Quote from: Caleb on October 16, 2006, 06:18 PM NHFT
I'm thinking that it isn't hopeless to stop it from happening. We may yet be able to throw a wrench in their plans and stop this horrible facility from being built. Ideas?
Caleb
Yes, if both of NH Senators said it must not be built, it would not be built. I suggest that you sent up meeting with them and make sure they decided to put lots of energy into stopping it.
Call me a naysayer, but it seems a bit late to start. This was not a secret. There have been years of discussion, particularly on site approval. After all, you have to actually break some ground to build something and do we really want that? That hurdle crossed, it is gung ho now. Jobs for a gasping town, remember?
Cathleen
Conflating Walmarts with federal prisons seems a bit of a stretch to me.
Count me as one of the people who would suggest that people enmployed in the prison industry find other vocations.
I am disgusted and saddened that this government temple is being erected at all, much less within a couple of hundred miles from here.
While this will definitely have a positive economic impact on the area, I don't see much negative coming from this (except yet another federal prison being built >:( ). Prison guards by and large seem to be decent people, especially compared to city cops. Many, not all, are the good guys who realized that being a cop sucks and they wanted to move up the occupational ladder.
I doubt this would affect normal citizens there much, from a freedom-usurping standpoint. Get the right people in charge of the city. That's the important thing. Federal money will take care of the prison. It's not like the guards will be patrolling the city/county, looking for speeders to pull over.
Although I must admit, I would love to live in the north country, but would prefer to not be near any federal prisons. So it looks like Coos county will not be my future home...
Quote from: Quantrill on November 11, 2006, 11:01 AM NHFT
Prison guards by and large seem to be decent people,
Are you trying to be friends with Kevin? ;)
Quote from: Quantrill on November 11, 2006, 11:01 AM NHFT
Although I must admit, I would love to live in the north country, but would prefer to not be near any federal prisons. So it looks like Coos county will not be my future home...
It is not as if 'they' escapre and terrorize the neighborhood.
Coos is nice.. don't judge it by a future prison. The problem with Coos is that there aren't that many jobs up there. Unless you have some sort of telecommuting thing.
Quote from: Dreepa on November 11, 2006, 11:20 AM NHFT
The problem with Coos is that there aren't that many jobs up there. Unless you have some sort of telecommuting thing.
Or can make a living in the tourist trade. I hear there is big money in tourists up there. :-X
Quote from: Dreepa on November 11, 2006, 11:20 AM NHFT
It is not as if 'they' escapre and terrorize the neighborhood.
The guardstaff will be allowed out
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 12, 2006, 04:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: Dreepa on November 11, 2006, 11:20 AM NHFT
It is not as if 'they' escapre and terrorize the neighborhood.
The guardstaff will be allowed out
Some of whom can be quite terrifying. Or so I hear.
Quote from: KBCraig on November 12, 2006, 06:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 12, 2006, 04:13 PM NHFT
Quote from: Dreepa on November 11, 2006, 11:20 AM NHFT
It is not as if 'they' escapre and terrorize the neighborhood.
The guardstaff will be allowed out
Some of whom can be quite terrifying. Or so I hear.
Nah! From what I've seen of them they're like Teddy Bears. ;D
I work with a former prison guard!
He lasted eight and a half years... he would have retired this year, after 20 years... but he opted out. Said it was making him nasty.
But he's a good guy... granted, it's eleven and a half years hence, but yeah.