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Title: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 03, 2005, 04:23 AM NHFT
I am sure many of you a have heard of the Fully Informed Jury Association. http://www.fija.org/

Since the right of juries to nullify, etc is not required to be told to the jury by a judge, I think we should try to see what we can do inform juries of this right.

Perhaps standing out infront of the court house one morning a week or month and giving out free Jury Handbooks?

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 03, 2005, 08:22 AM NHFT
Yes!  I've been wanting to do this, too.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 03, 2005, 08:28 AM NHFT
Yes!  I've been wanting to do this, too.

Cool stuff! Great minds think alike  ;)

So, we should figure out how many other people are interested. Perhaps we can write up a schdule to have at least one person per week do this in the morning as jurors are coming in to the court.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 03, 2005, 09:21 AM NHFT
I really like the idea. Maybe we could be wearing t-shirts and handing out little fliers that lead to their website. :)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 04, 2005, 09:20 AM NHFT
ATTENTION JURORS:

There is important information regarding YOUR RIGHTS as a member of a Grand and/or Trial Jury.

Many courts will not outline these rights as they expect you to know them as part of your CIVIC DUTY.

To learn more about YOUR RIGHTS please visit the Fully Informed Jury Association website at www.fija.org



How does that sound for a flyer?

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 04, 2005, 09:25 AM NHFT
No, they need actual information that day, as they're walking into the courthouse, not later when they can possibly look up a webpage.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 04, 2005, 09:25 AM NHFT
If we do a one page flyer like that in black and white, we might be able to get that done by Varrin super cheap.
I like the text. We can see how people react to it. :)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 04, 2005, 09:26 AM NHFT
I think Kat is right, they need to have at LEAST a synopsis of their rights....

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 04, 2005, 09:30 AM NHFT
I just found contact information for the FIJA in NH.

Dick Marple
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Phone: (603)627-1837
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E-Mail: armlaw(a)hotmail.com
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Address: 11 Dartmouth St, Hooksett, NH 03106
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I just shot off an email to him telling him that we are discussing FIJA here on the board and that he should come join us. I also asked for more information on what he is already doing with FIJA in NH.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 04, 2005, 09:33 AM NHFT
Here are some downloads from fija:

http://www.fija.org/torfcard.pdf

http://www.fija.org/THE%20BIGGEST%20AND%20MOST%20POWERFUL.doc

http://www.fija.org/dobest1.pdf

http://www.fija.org/dobest2.pdf
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 04, 2005, 09:47 AM NHFT
Cool thanks Kat!

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Erethizon on January 04, 2005, 09:58 PM NHFT
I just found contact information for the FIJA in NH.

Dick Marple
[/b]
Phone: (603)627-1837
[/b]
E-Mail: armlaw(a)hotmail.com
[/b]
Address: 11 Dartmouth St, Hooksett, NH 03106
[/b]

I just shot off an email to him telling him that we are discussing FIJA here on the board and that he should come join us. I also asked for more information on what he is already doing with FIJA in NH.

JP


Maybe he could sponsor some legislation to properly inform juries...

He is a State Rep.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 05, 2005, 05:38 AM NHFT
Interesting, I didn't know that.  That would be great. However, there were two cases that came before the United States Surpreme Court regarding FIJ. They ruled that while jury nullification was a right, that judges did not have to tell the jury that they retained this right. Their argument was that American Citizens are supposed to be informed about their rights on their own.

I tend to agree, government shouldn't have to explain your rights. As I always say (and this is the reason I carry my pocket Constitution with me everywhere I go) IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 05, 2005, 10:10 AM NHFT
It sure seems silly to have judges instruct the jury about everything else, but not their full rights. They instruct them to not pay attention to evidence that they just heard or saw with their own eyes.  ::)
But you are right JP, we need to inform the juries.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: dawn on January 06, 2005, 10:08 PM NHFT
This is an excellent cause. Glad to see that you've already found the NH FIJA. I think they have a really good brochure that'd be perfect for handing out to jurors. Although I agree that judges should not have to tell you your rights, since you should know them, but I am also under the impression that they often tell the jurors incorrect info about their rights. This has gotta stop!
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 06, 2005, 10:57 PM NHFT
I downloaded the "True or False" brochure from the FIJA.  How many do we need to print?  I would be happy to do the printing.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 06, 2005, 11:28 PM NHFT
Well, I guess my luck number tonight is 1000...so 1000 I suppose. We've never done this in NH before, so we don't know for sure. That should hold us over for awhile.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: FTL_Ian on January 07, 2005, 12:27 AM NHFT
Awesome!  I'd always wanted to do this down here.  Dammit I wish I was in NH.  Please take pictures, and make sure there is more than one of you there in case the cops harass you (Of course I'm thinking about FL cops, apparently they are nicer there).

I wonder what the response would be if you mailed letters describing this to the Judges, I suppose it's possible they are ignorant of this right as well...
Ian
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 07, 2005, 12:36 AM NHFT
In MA they print up the prospective juror list for the whole next year in December... wonder if NH does that... we could MAIL THEM instead.... then we are SURE to hit every prospective Juror.....

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 09, 2005, 04:31 PM NHFT
I'm printing up 100 copies of the "True or False" brochure from FIJA.  Who wants them? ::)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 09, 2005, 04:32 PM NHFT
Make that 1000 copies.  Sorry... ;D
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 10, 2005, 02:03 AM NHFT
Make that 1000 copies.  Sorry... ;D

I'll take 200. I can hand them out easily.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 10, 2005, 09:36 AM NHFT
I'll take some, Scott. Thanks!  I just need to figure out when's a good time to hand them out.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Dave Ridley on January 10, 2005, 11:34 AM NHFT
Scott brings some with you wherever you go maybe... if you're at the Monadnock porcs meeting wednesday you can hand some of them out there for others to hand out.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 07:46 PM NHFT
Lori and I plan to be there, if no one has any objections.  I'll bring along some brochures too.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 09:06 PM NHFT
I've got 400 printed and folded so far... : ::)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 11, 2005, 10:16 PM NHFT
Great, Scott...see you both there!
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 11, 2005, 10:17 PM NHFT
We can help fold while we chat tomorrow night :)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 10:18 PM NHFT
Already folded. ;D  But looking forward to the company...
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 11, 2005, 10:26 PM NHFT
We can help fold while we chat tomorrow night :)

What's going on tomorrow?

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 10:28 PM NHFT
Check the calendar, O great Protector Of The Innocent! ;D
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 11, 2005, 10:28 PM NHFT
Monadnock Porcupines meeting at the pizza place here in keene.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 11, 2005, 10:29 PM NHFT
Monadnock Porcupines meeting at the pizza place here in keene.

What pizza place? I'd love to come!

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 10:30 PM NHFT
He's a growing lad.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 11, 2005, 10:30 PM NHFT
Here's the skinny:

http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Monadnock+Porcupines
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 11, 2005, 10:30 PM NHFT
Cool! Thanks, see you there!
JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 10:39 PM NHFT
Amazing what pizza can do... :o
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 11, 2005, 10:50 PM NHFT
Mmmmm....piiiiza.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 10:51 PM NHFT
They have "diabetic" pizza, right? ;D
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 11, 2005, 10:55 PM NHFT
They have "diabetic" pizza, right? ;D

YUCK! But, if you gotta have it, you gotta have it!

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 10:59 PM NHFT
It's not TOO bad...just hold your nose and drink alot with it. :'(
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 11, 2005, 11:01 PM NHFT
It's not TOO bad...just hold your nose and drink alot with it. :'(

No thanks   :-X  :-\

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 11, 2005, 11:04 PM NHFT
Just more for me. :o  LOL!
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 11, 2005, 11:53 PM NHFT
Just more for me. :o  LOL!


That's ok, more of every other kind of pizza for me.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 12, 2005, 05:23 AM NHFT
They have good salads at this place, if you can't eat pizza.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: rothamerica on January 12, 2005, 05:54 AM NHFT
Works for me.  Looking forward to the visit.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Dave Ridley on January 13, 2005, 11:03 PM NHFT
Can someone post a copy of the law regarding what we can and can't legally do at a courthouse to promote FIJA? 

Good to know where the line is so you can decide whether to cross it.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: danhynes on January 14, 2005, 05:53 AM NHFT
I like this idea and also the subject of jury nullification in general. I happen to be taking an independent study class on it currently. You might run into some problems though. The FIJA packet you are referring to warns about giving it to jurors already on a jury as jurors cant use outside information. YOu would have to be sure that the people you are handing it to are potential jurors and not actually on a jury yet. At least thats what FIJA states.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 14, 2005, 08:57 AM NHFT
You can't tell lawyer jokes 101 reasons (http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=101+Reasons+to+Fear+your+Government) see #75
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: AlanM on January 14, 2005, 09:09 AM NHFT
90% of lawyers give the other 10% a really bad name.  ;)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 14, 2005, 09:15 AM NHFT
 :) ;) :D ;D lol  8)
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 14, 2005, 09:19 AM NHFT
 What do lawyers and sperm have in common?

Only one in two million ever does anything worthwhile.

?Lawyer: An individual whose principal role is to protect his clients from others of his profession.?

-- Anonymous

Any time a lawyer is seen but not heard, it?s a shame to wake him.

Why is an avocado like a lawyer? (both are ?avocat? in French)

Both have hearts like stones.

At a meeting of the bar association a famous attorney was boasting about his new glass eye. He claimed that it was so realistic that no one could tell which was the false one. All of the lawyers present nodded in astonished belief while the layman present blurted out, ?It?s obvious that the left one is phony!? The attorney, shocked that his secret was so easily discovered, asked the layman how he knew. He replied, ?Why, it?s easy, the fake one is the one with a gleam of humanity.?

How many lawyers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

One: the lawyer holds it while the rest of the world revolves around him.

What's the difference between a good lawyer and a great lawyer?

A good lawyer knows the law.

A great lawyer knows the judge.

Children who never come when called will grow up to be doctors.

Children who come before they are called will grow up to be lawyers.

?The minute you read something you don?t understand, you can be almost sure it was drawn up by a lawyer.?

-- Will Rogers

A small town that can?t support one lawyer can always support two.

What do you get if you put 100 lawyers in your basement?

A whine cellar.

How does a pregnant woman know she is carrying a future lawyer?

She has an extreme craving for baloney.

Four doctors who hadn?t seen each other since their surgical residencies met at a medical seminar. Adjourning for dinner and drinks, they turned their conversation to who makes the best surgical patients:

The first said, for sure, electrical engineers. ?You open ?em up,? he contended, ?and everything is color-coded.?

?Nah,? said the second. ?It?s librarians. You open ?em up and everything is alphabetized.?

The third scoffed. ?Of course not,? he said. ?It?s accountants. You open ?em up and everything is numbered.?

?Lawyers,? said the fourth, with a shake of his head. ?It?s lawyers, you idiots! No heart, no guts, no spine, and the ass and the brain are interchangeable.?

Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: AlanM on January 14, 2005, 09:23 AM NHFT
LOL!  ;D
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 14, 2005, 09:37 AM NHFT
There's a ton of them here:

http://nolo.com/humor/jokes.cfm

The company sells books for self-help legal tips.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 14, 2005, 09:44 AM NHFT
The sperm, at least, has a one in a million chance of becoming a Human Being.


Why did New Jersey get all of the garbage and New York get all of the lawyers?

New Jersey got first choice.

Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Russell Kanning on January 14, 2005, 10:34 AM NHFT
Those are seriously funny.
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 14, 2005, 12:48 PM NHFT
Fantastic! I have some I'll get around to sharing. I love telling them, like poetry, I like saying it outloud, so next meeting -- remind me to tell lawyer jokes.

JP
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: Kat Kanning on January 14, 2005, 12:49 PM NHFT
How about you regale us with jokes on your birthday?
Title: Re: Fully Informed Juries
Post by: jcpliberty on January 14, 2005, 01:00 PM NHFT
How about you regale us with jokes on your birthday?


Ok!

JP