...other than Kat, that is, who did one at New London PD in CT.
Surrounded by Blabbermouths?
I, for one, can't keep my mouth shut. Nor my anger in check.
I salute those of you who can.
I'm too busy putting my silent words in front of the D.C. bureaucrats! ;D
I ran out of time to save the world years ago. I'm too busy trying to save myself!
OO....OOO... I have an excuse... I would be charged with murder when one of them dropped dead when I showed up and just stood there...
Because I don't think they'd be an effective nor enjoyable use of my time.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 07, 2006, 10:29 AM NHFT
...other than Kat, that is, who did one at New London PD in CT.
And the Mother of the Silent Protesters - - - who remains in CT.
:-X
Doing silent protests would probably reduce my more direct-impact effectiveness talking to my Reps and Senator.
That said, I think what Dave is doing is Really Cool 8)
I've been an Atheist since 1973.
Ayn Rand has said that the strongest, most emotional language is religous.
I say, God Bless Lauren and Dave and anyone who dares to follow them.
Only the brave will have places made for them in history.
Quote from: Facilitator on December 07, 2006, 10:31 PM NHFT
I've been an Atheist since 1973.
Ayn Rand has said that the strongest, most emotional language is religous.
I say, God Bless Lauren and Dave and anyone who dares to follow them.
Only the brave will have places made for them in history.
Who has the stronger Faith? The atheist who prays to God, or the believer?
God, let the suffering of this lady be relieved, please!
Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 07, 2006, 10:29 AM NHFT
...other than Kat, that is, who did one at New London PD in CT.
Guts, my friend, you've got the guts. I hope to get there someday, for now I'll continue to spurr change in the system by trying to work with it. You said it yourself, in one of our discussions on my porch, we all have a different role to play in working towards liberty. Your role is "Silent Protester" and role-model for taking action.
Though you may feel like your the only one -- You are not alone --
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/protest.html
Civil Rights Battle
One of the most unique tools of the civil rights movement was the silent protest. In 1917 in New York City, a silent parade was staged in protest of the East St. Louis, Illinois massacre and recent lychings in the south. Protesters dressed in their finest clothes, and to the sound of nothing but muffled drums, carried picket signs as they proceeded along the parade route.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/abox/article_1127885.php
LOS ANGELES ? The streetlights offered a hazy white glow, and there was just one silent protester when the guy with the bullhorn appeared out of nowhere.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/05/06/2003306483
Throughout the speech, a fourth protester stood in the middle of the room with his back to Rumsfeld in silent protest.
http://www.dcvote.org/media/media.cfm?mediaID=443
A photographer focused his lens on one active but silent protester, who sat on the ground scribbling on a poster.
http://freestateproject.org/news/fspnews/oct2006
Free Stater, Lauren Canario was arrested once again in a silent, peaceful eminent domain protest in New London, CT on September 22nd.
Holy cow...
Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 07, 2006, 10:29 AM NHFT
...other than Kat, that is, who did one at New London PD in CT.
?How come i'm the only one that does silent demonstrations??
Dada, First let me start off by saying Thank You for doing these demonstrations. Your courage and bravery lead me to unlurk, register and post (even suspecting it would lead me to multiple gov databases).
Not everyone will have the courage you do but you might be able to bring more people along to ?help? either as witnesses, recorders or silent demonstrators. Be the rock that acts as the foundation.
I hope, someday, to be able to help out with the Libertarian movement here in our state. I do so quietly, slowly infecting those around me with thoughts and ideas. You would be surprised at the number of libertarianish minded NH residents I find. I work starting up a company, have a family, KoC, doing my Masters in the evenings, etc? my time is flat out or I would be more active.
You demonstrations incur risk and not everyone is in a position to accept that risk. Myself, if for some reason charges were pressed, etc, the matter could jeopardize the type of work I do and thus my ability to provide for my family.
I have been lurking and toying with changing to libertarianism for many years now. It was a car I saw in Manchester two years ago that turned me away. It had several proc bumper stickers etc and also a very prominent one that was against people who believe in religion. I asked myself, ?is this they type of person I wish to be associated with?? and so I withdrew from the idea of the NH libertarian party. While I support fully the person?s right to think less me, the choice of who I associate with is my own. How many other potential people has this bumper sticker turned off?
Anyways, Dada, it was your courage and the fact that I was sick of voting for evil that finally helped me turn the corner.
Why are not more people helping? IMO
1, ask ?
2, The lib movement in this state has been slow. The whole free state party ideal has somewhat fizzled out (but is far from dead). Movements like this take years to generate the momentum necessary to become a self sustaining force. Those who work to gain the momentum often feel like they are unsupported, all alone. How many years did Gandhi work to gain his movement? How many times was he the only one with courage enough to stand up and say no. (Probably many)
Don?t despair; it will take time, years, but all this effort that I see all of you putting in will only pay off if you keep pushing.
Few people are able to find exactly where they should be to be able to make a difference. Count yourself blessed if you have found yours.
LFoD
Many people in the liberty movement think that religion is irrational. That may be, but don't let one person's idea of a joke color the whole movement.
Many others here are Christians who searched their souls and found that a state of liberty was the only political system compatible with Christianity.
In practice, at least from what I've seen here, it's been virtually a non-issue.
Quote from: LFoD on December 09, 2006, 05:28 PM NHFT
it will take time, years, but all this effort that I see all of you putting in will only pay off if you keep pushing.
LFoD, I firmly believe it is people like
you -- the silent majority of Liberty-lovers who just need a little nudge to get VOCAL and to be ACTIVE -- as you start to act on your beliefs, we will all become more Free.
LFOD u are much thanked for the kind words! i think russell and lauren however are way better examples of courage and sacrifice than I could be. and even they aren't risking a tenth as much as a revolutionary war soldier.....who would in turn would pale in comparison to a World War I infantryman. we gotta keep some perspective here and not get to pat-selves-on-backish.
Don't worry. The free state party is alive and well. Not to pat myself on the back too much, but I like my chances for the nomination for the governors race in 2008 or whenever they do those things.
Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 10, 2006, 12:12 AM NHFT
LFOD u are much thanked for the kind words! i think russell and lauren however are way better examples of courage and sacrifice than I could be. and even they aren't risking a tenth as much as a revolutionary war soldier.....who would in turn would pale in comparison to a World War I infantryman. we gotta keep some perspective here and not get to pat-selves-on-backish.
OK, I give up. Why do the risks of a Revolutionary War soldier pale in comparison to those of one from WWI?
Quote from: maineiac on December 10, 2006, 09:51 PM NHFT
OK, I give up. Why do the risks of a Revolutionary War soldier pale in comparison to those of one from WWI?
Have you compared the rate of fire of a Maxim, versus a Brown Bess? Pondered the introduction of mustard and chlorine gas?
In the 30 years before WWI, armies went from blackpowder single shot rifles, to smokeless repeaters. Travel went from horse and foot, to trucks and tracked vehicles. Airpower went from tethered observation balloons, to armed airplanes. Artillery went from muzzle-loading black powder cannons firing solid and grapeshot in direct fire mode, to rifled howitzers with time fuses and ranges measured in miles.
And yet, the battlefield tactics changed very little. The generals were still of a mindset that civilized nations sent their soldiers to line up in pretty formations and take turns shooting at one another, followed by a break for tea. The slaughter was as you might expect.
Just by the by, there are still 13 living U.S. veterans of WWI. The 15th and 14th died this past week, at ages 106 and 113.
Kevin
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 10, 2006, 08:05 PM NHFTI like my chances for the nomination for the governors race in 2008 or whenever they do those things.
You'd have to work hard for my nomination. :o I'm thinking I'll nominate C.J.
That said, I MIGHT HAVE QUIT ;) VOTING BY THEN.
What's the increase in risk? You can only die once.
Quote from: KBCraig on December 10, 2006, 10:40 PM NHFTcivilized nations sent their soldiers to line up in pretty formations and take turns shooting at one another, followed by a break for tea.
civilized - - - in the trenches
Merry Christmas - - - - - - in the trenches
Quote from: KBCraig on December 10, 2006, 10:40 PM NHFT
Quote from: maineiac on December 10, 2006, 09:51 PM NHFT
OK, I give up. Why do the risks of a Revolutionary War soldier pale in comparison to those of one from WWI?
Have you compared the rate of fire of a Maxim, versus a Brown Bess? Pondered the introduction of mustard and chlorine gas?
In the 30 years before WWI, armies went from blackpowder single shot rifles, to smokeless repeaters. Travel went from horse and foot, to trucks and tracked vehicles. Airpower went from tethered observation balloons, to armed airplanes. Artillery went from muzzle-loading black powder cannons firing solid and grapeshot in direct fire mode, to rifled howitzers with time fuses and ranges measured in miles.
And yet, the battlefield tactics changed very little. The generals were still of a mindset that civilized nations sent their soldiers to line up in pretty formations and take turns shooting at one another, followed by a break for tea. The slaughter was as you might expect.
Just by the by, there are still 13 living U.S. veterans of WWI. The 15th and 14th died this past week, at ages 106 and 113.
Kevin
No shoes in the Rev war... those guys had balls! Marching in the snow.
Also Rev 7 yearsish.
WWI Less than 2 years.
LFoD,
The Liberty movement is bringing atheists like me, Julia, and Facilitator together with very religious people like Russell, Caleb, and Varrin. We all get along splendidly, simply because none of us are trying to religiously recruit each other. I think what really rubs people the wrong way about some religions is the zealotous proselytizing. That's not going on with us. We're just people working together for Liberty. The only people I won't tolerate are the intolerant, and that includes people who don't like others simply because they are religious. I couldn't care less about your religon, only how you feel about Liberty.
Also, I'd like to encourage you to not jump to conclusions about *any* movement based on some stranger's bumpersticker collection. :o
alright ... now I am getting called "very religious" ... that one really hurts.
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 13, 2006, 03:26 PM NHFT
alright ... now I am getting called "very religious" ... that one really hurts.
Sir Russell the Righteous, Archbishop of the Shire of Keane. :D
The First World War was the culmination of the philosophy that men only existed to wage war on other men. Man existed for no other reason.
This is simular to a modern day bicyclist's attiutude who accepts the fact that 1500 lbs vehicles are passing by him, at high speeds, with in inches, but the bicyclist believes he has to be there and if they kill him that is the way it is going to be.
The American Revolusionary War was at the height of the Enlightenment. The Freedom of the individual was the highest goal. Some men fought as they believed, as individuals or groups of indviduals, moving to achieve the greatest goal at the least cost. These men were Militia.
In WWI men died willingly, in mass by the millions, because that was what a man was suppose to do and if they died that was the way it was supposed to be.
In The American Revolution the American Militia Men often broke rank and engaged the enemy in an independent gorilla style of warfare. They were called coward for thier tactic.
But it was the men of the Regular Forces who had to endure marching with rags on thier feet, not the Miltias.
The American Regular Forces, who imitated the European Armies, stood toe to toe with the enemy and lost in almost every battle.
It was only after the Regular Forces gave up thier total imitation of thier European enemy, and adopted an indpendent thinking, that wins were possible.
It is true that the rate that men could be killed was increased many fold just before WWI. But that made no differance to any of Generals who slammed army against army or to the men in the field who's duty it was to die. It was just a test of brute force.
I believe the men of the Militias were more brave then the soldiers of WWI. Not only did they engaged the enemy in battle, but they were also brave enough to have a free mind.
QuoteThis is simular to a modern day bicyclist's attiutude who accepts the fact that 1500 lbs vehicles are passing by him, at high speeds, with in inches, but the bicyclist believes he has to be there and if they kill him that is the way it is going to be.
not "has to be there"...
has a
RIGHT to be there as there is an individual right of way owned in common running through the roadway
Quote from: DadaOrwell on December 07, 2006, 10:29 AM NHFT
...other than Kat, that is, who did one at New London PD in CT.
Dada I think if I did a silent demonstration here in NY they would toss me in to the looney bin [again]. :toothy12:
First Bill don't assume Jim is anti pedal power he is an international champion of pedal power.
Second your RIGHTS don't change physics. ;D The car's greater mass will prevail. ;D
What, I couldn't talk! That would kill me, only kidding I think it would be alright as long as nobody drove by and shot me, I might say "ouch" or if someone threw something at me I might say "mother *******"! 8)
I'm getting "into" meditation and that kind of stuff so it would be a good lesson that's for sure, when and where (still haven't made it past Tilton yet) is the next one?
Quote from: d_goddard on December 09, 2006, 02:11 AM NHFT
Holy cow...
Where? I always wanted to see one, I am so damn tired of seeing those unholy cows! :D
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 10, 2006, 08:05 PM NHFT
Don't worry. The free state party is alive and well. Not to pat myself on the back too much, but I like my chances for the nomination for the governors race in 2008 or whenever they do those things.
Russell that would be awesome, I'd vote for you as long as you found out the right year to run! ;D
I think Russell should run on the off years.
Quote from: raineyrocks on December 14, 2006, 02:30 PM NHFT
What, I couldn't talk! That would kill me, only kidding I think it would be alright as long as nobody drove by and shot me, I might say "ouch" or if someone threw something at me I might say "mother *******"! 8)
I'm getting "into" meditation and that kind of stuff so it would be a good lesson that's for sure, when and where (still haven't made it past Tilton yet) is the next one?
If you can't take a bullet without saying 'ouch!', you're not ready for silent demostrations.
You can see holy cows if you look hard enough. I think the term means set apart or separate. Denis must see them often. :)
The Free State Party could run campaigns here in the Shire during the times when the state of NH is not having elections. :)
QuoteIf you can't take a bullet without saying 'ouch!', you're not ready for silent demostrations.
:laughing4: I've been waiting to use this smiley thanks! It has become so much easier and funner (not really a word but oh well) to post now that I know how to use quotes and smileys! It doesn't take much to make me happy, even though my husband would disagree. ;D
Quote from: Russell Kanning on December 15, 2006, 08:30 AM NHFT
You can see holy cows if you look hard enough. I think the term means set apart or separate. Denis must see them often. :)
The Free State Party could run campaigns here in the Shire during the times when the state of NH is not having elections. :)
Neato!
QuoteThe Free State Party could run campaigns here in the Shire during the times when the state of NH is not having elections.
what is this "shire" you speak of sir?
Quote from: FrankChodorov on December 15, 2006, 01:38 PM NHFT
QuoteThe Free State Party could run campaigns here in the Shire during the times when the state of NH is not having elections.
what is this "shire" you speak of sir?
Shocked am I that you do not know The Shire of Keane.
Of it's benteficence benefafactor The Archbishop Russell who cares for the Shire in the absences a Govenor.
Perhaps then you do not know of the tradedy of The Empress of the Universe, who is now held by The Sons and Daughters of Whores in the evil land of Connecticut.
Or even of the torture of her husband, The Black Knight, who broods vengeance against The Empress's captures while sullen in Porc Manor.
And perhaps then you will not heed the Archbishop's call to rally in support at Porc Manor, on the noon of tomarrow. Or join Sir John, to rally, in Commemoration of the Empress's birthday, the 23rd of December, at the Dungen of York in the Evil State of Connecticut.
Must I go on about the Empress's High Priestess Kat who is the ALL POWERFUL admin Great Moderator.
Or Sir Rodger the Brave Recorder, his wife the Beautful Elizabeth and thier son Sir William, who will lead the Kingdom of the Future.
How profound is your ignorance that you would not know of Ian or Mark, the Speakers Truth or of the Brave Julia.
What land could you be from, that is not able to extol the bravery of fine people or anguish in thier pain?
8) ;D
karma +1 for that post facilitator :tiphat:
Quote from: Facilitator on December 15, 2006, 09:36 PM NHFT
Quote from: FrankChodorov on December 15, 2006, 01:38 PM NHFT
QuoteThe Free State Party could run campaigns here in the Shire during the times when the state of NH is not having elections.
what is this "shire" you speak of sir?
Shocked am I that you do not know The Shire of Keane.
Of it's benteficence benefafactor The Archbishop Russell who cares for the Shire in the absences a Govenor.
Perhaps then you do not know of the tradedy of The Empress of the Universe, who is now held by The Sons and Daughters of Whores in the evil land of Connecticut.
Or even of the torture of her husband, The Black Knight, who broods vengeance against The Empress's captures while sullen in Porc Manor.
And perhaps then you will not heed the Archbishop's call to rally in support at Porc Manor, on the noon of tomarrow. Or join Sir John, to rally, in Commemoration of the Empress's birthday, the 23rd of December, at the Dungen of York in the Evil State of Connecticut.
Must I go on about the Empress's High Priestess Kat who is the ALL POWERFUL admin Great Moderator.
Or Sir Rodger the Brave Recorder, his wife the Beautful Elizabeth and thier son Sir William, who will lead the Kingdom of the Future.
How profound is your ignorance that you would not know of Ian or Mark, the Speakers Truth or of the Brave Julia.
What land could you be from, that is not able to extol the bravery of fine people or anguish in thier pain?
But!.....But!....what about economic rent in the Shire?
OK Lloyd's on ignore. ;D
Just Now?
In defense of real sons and daughters of whores, they did not choose to be born to a whore, whereas bureaucrats chose to become government parasites.
Besides, prostitutes are really just people offering a service on a consensual voluntary basis. They've really gotten an unfairly bad reputation.
Anyway, I think there must be a better insult for these government parasites. Being a son of a whore is too good for them.
Here are a few ideas, courtesy of a nearby thesaurus:
brigand, crook, desperado, forager, gangster, gunman, highwayman, hijacker, holdup man, hooligan, marauder, mobster, outlaw, pillager, pirate, plunderer, racketeer, raider, ravager, robber, villain
Can't think of one.
Maybe an explanation of the insult, a clarification of the terms whore, prostitute and bureaucrat and whether you can just choose to be a bureaucrat or if you have to be elected by the people.
First, prostitutes differ from whores in exactlly the way you mentioned, "prostitutes are really just people offering a service on a consensual voluntary basis". Whores use coercion. Where a prostitute makes a deal the whore will steal your wallet, your rings or blackmail your life. The bureaucrat is a whore.
Second one can choose to be a murder, a rapist or a bureaucrat but one still has to be elected by the people. There are no murderers currently in office in Connecticut, maybe a few rapists but there are alot of bureaucrats. So it follows that the voting people of Connecticut do not like murders but they do like bureaucrats.
Third, the explanation of the insult. While a prostitute may not choose to tell her off spring what she did during her summer and winter vactions, the whore lives life as a whore. She can not turn her life on and off in front of her off spring. Her children will know her life and will be taught that life. They will know that stealing is ok. And they will permit stealing at every level of their lives. Which is what is seen in Connecticut, as the majority voting population can not conceave of taking ones home as wrong. If one asks a child of 5 years, in any part of America, if taking someones home is wrong, they will say, yes. In Connecticut adults can not answer that question, yes. This can only lead me to beleave that the mothers of Connecticut are to blame. Shame on them for not teaching thier children that stealing is wrong.
Therefore I believe that thier unoffical, but more proper, Stae motto should be Connecticut-Sons and Daughters of Whores.
Thanks for the explanation, Jim. I always thought whore was just a more pejorative term for prostitute. Indeed, the dictionary doesn't differentiate the two. Nonetheless, now I better understand your thought process in choosing that term.