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Title: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 24, 2007, 02:49 PM NHFT
Ok, so I have been researching as to what type of gun would suit me.  There are so many to choose from.  I have a limited knowledge of firearms, as i use to shoot when i was a kid, on a farm!  I am getting myself familiar with the rules and regulation with the state of RI, which I am currently living in.  I printed out the 38 page carry permit packet from the Attorney General, which included the policy, laws and a application.  After reading it, I was quite discouraged, it seems like a long process, which, can be denied for no given reason.  I can see people at this point, after reading 38 pages, just plainly giving up.   The application consists of "proper showing of need".  It would be easy if they asked me why i need a gun, and I would simply state, that I am execersizing my second amendment rights.  But they ask it in a different way, any mental illnesses, any legal name changes, arrestments, convictions, any any other name i go by, nicknames, alias... the questions go on and on.   Nevermind the fee for the application! 

So after doing all that paperwork, Now I need to figure out what type of gun will match my shoes!  I have basic questions, like what is the difference between a mm and a caliber? Bullets, hollow tip verses not hollow?  I cant remember back to by childhood of reloading bullets back on the farm...  A glock was suggested to me, but they seem kind of boarish and heavy to me.  I dont want the recoil to be too strong that I am afraid to use the darn thing!  Nor to i want a cap gun.  I do alot of hiking alone deep in the woods between NH and RI.  I usually carry a knife on me, but i cant see myself stabbing a rabid dog that is chewing on my leg.  I started caring a knife because i have had incounters with dogs, a gun would have been choice, but was underage at the time of the need to carry protection. 

If anyone has any suggestions as to what is a good all around female's firearm, it would be greatly appreciated! 



Beth from RI!!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: cathleeninnh on January 24, 2007, 03:05 PM NHFT
I highly recommend the NRA basic pistol course as a refresher. You can probably find one for ladies like I did. Then you can ask questions and not be too embarrassed if color matching comments slip out.

And then go join Second Amendment Sisters. (they have a cool kitchen apron that I bought)

I chose a 38 special. Not too big or too little. Having fun at the range, too.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: CNHT on January 24, 2007, 03:32 PM NHFT
Check Tony Lekas' courses at www.wilsonhillpistol.org and he can also advise you.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 24, 2007, 07:11 PM NHFT
Those are great suggestions!  Keep them comming, im learning so much!  Thanks Ladies! 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: CNHT on January 24, 2007, 07:26 PM NHFT
Those are great suggestions!  Keep them comming, im learning so much!  Thanks Ladies! 

I just noticed the nav bar was messed up and fixed it, and while I'm here, this is the sched for training with Tony:

http://www.wilsonhillpistol.org/events.php
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Rosie the Riveter on January 24, 2007, 07:37 PM NHFT
I don't have my own but like to shoot hubby's little kaltec. It is small enough to fit really well in my hand and for some reason I have great aim and control with it.  I'll find out more about it and let you know the details.

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 24, 2007, 11:02 PM NHFT
Thank you thank you!  I think the first thing i need to do, is try some out before I go jumping into a purchase.  Because I am going to be here in the little state of RI for the next 6 months, I am going to purchase in this state.  I hope I can find a woman's shooting club or something like that here in RI, but I have the feeling I wont, people dont seems to appreciate a good gun around these parts!  From what I have been looking at, I dont think I want a revolver, too much to fuss with in a time of extreme need?  Loading 6 bullets vs changing switching an empty mag?  Not that im planning on unloading a round on someone!!  Its all so up in the air!  Do they come in Pink?  Purple swirls with a glittery grip??  Im guessing no, But i think I am having too much fun with this!  Where is the best place to shoot in NH?  Any indoor ranges?  Thanks again for all the great info!  Beth
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: CNHT on January 24, 2007, 11:13 PM NHFT
Thank you thank you!  I think the first thing i need to do, is try some out before I go jumping into a purchase.  Because I am going to be here in the little state of RI for the next 6 months, I am going to purchase in this state.  I hope I can find a woman's shooting club or something like that here in RI, but I have the feeling I wont, people dont seems to appreciate a good gun around these parts!  From what I have been looking at, I dont think I want a revolver, too much to fuss with in a time of extreme need?  Loading 6 bullets vs changing switching an empty mag?  Not that im planning on unloading a round on someone!!  Its all so up in the air!  Do they come in Pink?  Purple swirls with a glittery grip??  Im guessing no, But i think I am having too much fun with this!  Where is the best place to shoot in NH?  Any indoor ranges?  Thanks again for all the great info!  Beth


Manchester Firing Line is good but, if you happen to be in the middle between a shotgun and machine gun, you won't get much done if you have to ask your 'teacher' a question, LOL!

This is not just my opinion but I took a date there (or should I say he took me?) and he loved it.

The reason WHPC is so nice, is it's mainly PISTOLS...so you would likely not have as much noise around you.

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: penguins4me on January 25, 2007, 01:56 AM NHFT
I've taken a female friend or two out to one of the local shooting ranges on occasion, and my experiences suprised me. One person liked everything everything we'd tried up to, but not including, the big IMI Desert Eagle in .50AE (don't blame her - I shot it twice and that was more than enough for me). Another friend didn't care for the recoil of a Glock in 9mm, so, as you've stated already, it is best to try several out and pick one you like.

The nuances of the different calibers aren't so important to worry about beyond knowing that what is used in the firearm should match the type of ammunition exactly (well, there are even some exceptions to that with revolvers...). Here's a rough list of common defensive handgun calibers, from the lightest-recoiling to the strongest:

.25 ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP, .38 Special, 9x19mm (also 9mm, 9mm Luger, and 9mm Parabellum), .40 S&W, .357 Sig, .45 ACP, .357 Magnum

One major caveat with semi-autos is that, while they do offer a lot of advantages over a revolver, one must be able to quickly troubleshoot more potential problems. Simply put, if you can quickly and easily load a rental pistol's magazines, load the magazine, rack the slide (with the pistol's hammer down, if applicable), and operate the safety, then you'll most likely be better off with a semi-auto and all the advantages they offer.
I have met a few people who have difficulty with one aspect or another of one or more specific models of semi-auto pistols, so, as you've mentioned, practicing with the specific type you're interested in before buying is very wise. :)

As for revolvers, I wouldn't suggest dismissing them out of hand because they are slower to load than a semi-auto with a full magazine: many companies make "speedloaders" for revolvers which can fill the cylinder with fresh ammo with just a twist of a dial.

-edit
The most important aspect to being a defensive gun owner, though, is practice! Practice accuracy, practice reloading, practice drawing from concealment (for those who carry concealed), practice failure drills, practice caring for and cleaning your firearm, etc.
Okay, I lied. The most important aspect is safety (http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC/TOC.htm#Safety).

There's quite a bit of very good information covering a wide range of firearms-related topics over at Cornered Cat (http://www.corneredcat.com), all written by a lady, to boot!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 25, 2007, 03:45 AM NHFT
I've let the ladies weigh in so far, but now that penguins4me has spoken up, I will too.  :)

The advice to take some instruction is very good. So is the advice to try out rentals, to find what fits you. Many ranges have "Ladies' Night", where you can learn from (and with) other gals. You might have to leave RI and go to CT, MA, or NH to find a range that lets you try a variety of handguns. Your call whether that's worth it if you can't find a good rental range with instruction in RI.

I dont think I want a revolver, too much to fuss with in a time of extreme need?  Loading 6 bullets vs changing switching an empty mag?

The time of "extreme need" isn't when you're reloading. It's when you're unloading, bullets first. On that point, revolvers win, hands down. They're the original "point and click interface".

Revolvers also win when it comes to stoppages. There is no "failure to fire" drill with a revolver; if it doesn't fire because of bad ammo, you just pull the trigger again. Compare that to the "tap-rack-bang" drill required if a semi-auto doesn't fire.

Revolvers never* have "failure to feed" or "failure to extract" problems. No jams or stovepiping.

My wife isn't a "gun person", although she likes shooting and believes in having guns for self-defense. Her first pistol was a Makarov, which is a very finely made semi-auto. First shot is double action; following shots are single action. It has a safety/decocker. She learned to shoot it, but was never comfortable with it; it's fairly complex for a newbie. Then I bought her a 2", five-shot, .38 Special revolver. She loves it! There is nothing to remember: point and pull the trigger.

The vast majority of defensive gun uses are successful without a single shot fired. Just the appearance of the gun makes most Bad Guys remember that they have a pressing engagement elsewhere at that exact moment, which they'd forgotten until you reminded them. Those DGUs with shots fired are almost always settled in 1-3 rounds, sometimes 5. They almost never involve reloading. Engagements where multiple magazines are emptied are limited mostly to cops, who have a notoriously low hit ratio, and a much higher ratio of shooting innocent bystanders.

Remember the first rule of gunfighting: have a gun. (Actually, that's second; the real first rule is to be somewhere else when the gunfight happens. Sadly, we can't always pick the time and place.)

Meeting Rule One means having a gun you're comfortable having with you at all times, one you're confident you could use. If you're not a devoted shooter spending lots of hours on the range, the best bet is a double action revolver, followed by a double-action only semi like a Glock or Springfield XD.

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Do they come in Pink?  Purple swirls with a glittery grip??  Im guessing no, But i think I am having too much fun with this!

Actually, colors are available. In lightweight titanium or aluminum framed guns, anodized colors are common, especially in those models marketed towards ladies.

See if any of these ring your bell:

(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/850TBCPRL.jpg)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/85BGRC.jpg)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/85BPRL.jpg)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/85SSGRC.jpg)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/85SSPRL.jpg)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/85TBC.jpg)
(http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/85TBCPRL.jpg)
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/162414_thumb.jpg)
(http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/160228_thumb.jpg)

And remember, unless your gun is a polymer-framed semi-auto, the grips can always be changed out for something more appealing, in a wide variety of exotic woods or synthetics.

Welcome to the Underground, and good luck with picking a gun of your own!

Kevin

*Disclaimer: revolvers almost never jam. Some ultra-lightweight .357 Magnums, made of Scandium or Titanium, have such harsh recoil that the bullets can "back out" from the case, causing unfired rounds to jam the cylinder and stop it from turning. This is very rare, but when a revolver does jam up, it becomes a rock and/or club. Sticking to .38 Special will ensure this doesn't happen. From a 2" barrel, the .38 will perform almost as well as the .357, but without the vicious recoil and huge fireball.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat K on January 25, 2007, 04:45 AM NHFT
I like the 2nd Taurus with the gold accents and wood grip.  ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 25, 2007, 05:04 AM NHFT
I like the 2nd Taurus with the gold accents and wood grip.  ;D

It's good that you're letting your feminine side show. Just watch out for those hormones!

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 25, 2007, 12:07 PM NHFT
OMG!!!  Pictures of pretty guns!!!!  heheee!  OK, that was alot to soak in on my lunch break, if i didnt have to go back to work..!  I cant wait to get home tonight, and review all the great posts you all have supplied me with!  Thanks, Happy shooting!  beth
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 25, 2007, 12:42 PM NHFT
All the pretty guns and suggestions are nice. One inportant thing to remember is whenever you are in a situation where there is any chance that you will need to protect yourself, have the gun in your hand with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat McCotter on January 25, 2007, 05:34 PM NHFT
All the pretty guns and suggestions are nice. One inportant thing to remember is whenever you are in a situation where there is any chance that you will need to protect yourself, have the gun in your hand with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked.


I can't cock the hammer on mine
(http://clubdetir2238.free.fr/armes/ruger31.gif)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 25, 2007, 05:36 PM NHFT
Looks broke to me ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 25, 2007, 07:40 PM NHFT
Wait, that gun doesnt have a hammer... how than this be?  Now my head hurts!   ???    I am just tickled, i cant wait to go gun shopping this weekend, and get one in my hands, its been too long.  When i was a child, seeing a gun on the farm, or the neighbor taking care of a cow, was a normal thing, im afraid that I have been away from a firearm for so long, there is a little part of me that is scared, Mostly excited!  I remember being taught when i was a wee one, guns are good, but dont tell anyone you have guns...  Rhode Islanders are SO antigun, "Guns kill people" makes me sick.  *Remembering when my father was teaching me how to care for my 22, shooting bud cans on the fence, making the horses excited, which made my mom yell!  Good old times! 


Anyways, still confused over that gun not having a hammer, how does that work?


beth 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 25, 2007, 07:56 PM NHFT
It is known as a hammerless. It has a hammer inside.  That way there is no hammer to catch on anything.  You can't cock and shoot, you just pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 25, 2007, 09:29 PM NHFT
OOOOHHHH that sounds special!  hammerless!  Hmmmmm    :P   i never imagined that before! 

So I did some online research, and I think I really dont want a revolver, the look of one really doesnt do it for me.  I want something Black, and initimidating, but nothing too strong.  What do the police use for guns, just out of curiosity, they must have a special cop gun that they use, right? 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 25, 2007, 09:37 PM NHFT
I think Glocks are popular with cops.  You can wash a glock in your dishwasher.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 25, 2007, 09:58 PM NHFT
WHAT?  Really?  how about the washing machine? I dont have a dishwasher..  Can it go in te dryer too?  Is there a setting on it?  Next to fluff? 


Im assuming that a glock can get wet, or something, or maybe its dishwasher safe, plastic?  Highly amused, and confused! 


Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 25, 2007, 09:59 PM NHFT
Lots of plastic.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Recumbent ReCycler on January 25, 2007, 10:08 PM NHFT
A reliable gun that is used by cops is the Sig P229.  They can be had in many different looks.  If you want it bigger, go with a 226, and if you want it smaller, go with a 239.  They are available in 9mm, .40 S&W, & .357 Sig
(http://sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/229SAS-left.jpg)
I have a KelTec P3AT (.380) that's black, but they also make a .32 that's available in other colors.
(http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/5511/976798316/wm_md_24677.jpg)
I am a NRA certified pistol instructor, but would prefer to work with several other instructors teaching a class.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 26, 2007, 04:02 AM NHFT
It is known as a hammerless.

No, that one is a "bobbed hammer". There's no such thing as a truly "hammerless" revolver; some that are called "hammerless" just have their hammers hidden under a shroud. The hammer is there; the spur has been lopped off, so that it can't be manually cocked, but pulling the trigger cocks the hammer, then releases it to fire. That makes it a "DAO" ("double action only").

You're right about the reasoning: eliminating the spur reduces the risk of snagging.

There is also the hybrid, "button-cocking" revolver, which uses a shroud to eliminate snags, but leaves a small button of the hammer spur exposed, to allow manual cocking if needed.

Kevin
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat K on January 26, 2007, 04:06 AM NHFT
Wow the pink one could match my lawn Flamingos.  ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: CNHT on January 26, 2007, 04:15 AM NHFT
Wow the pink one could match my lawn Flamingos.  ;D


 :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 26, 2007, 08:31 AM NHFT
It is known as a hammerless.

No, that one is a "bobbed hammer". There's no such thing as a truly "hammerless" revolver; some that are called "hammerless" just have their hammers hidden under a shroud. The hammer is there; the spur has been lopped off, so that it can't be manually cocked, but pulling the trigger cocks the hammer, then releases it to fire. That makes it a "DAO" ("double action only").

You're right about the reasoning: eliminating the spur reduces the risk of snagging.

There is also the hybrid, "button-cocking" revolver, which uses a shroud to eliminate snags, but leaves a small button of the hammer spur exposed, to allow manual cocking if needed.

Kevin

Well, lets see.  My 1856 Raymond & Robitell, Petingill Patent is a hammerless percussion and was advertized as such. Iver Johnson  and several manufaturers of cheaper guns from about 1880 on made them and called themhammerless.  When I was in the business in the 60' we we're still selling those nickel plated pieces of crap and calling them hammerless.
So....Excuse Me!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: LiveFree on January 26, 2007, 11:05 AM NHFT
If you think Glocks are too heavy, than you should feel some of the metal framed semi autos out there!

As nobody has yet addressed the question of ammunition, I think I'll step in here.

You'll be much better off buying a good, name brand jacketed hollow point than you would be with any kind of full metal jacket or lead round nose or wad cutter (if revolvers appeal to you, which you indicated they don't).

Some people say to contact either your local or state PD and ask them what they use, so that if you ever actually have to use it, and the DA tries to bring up the fact that you used those evil nasty HP's on the perp, the defense attorney can simply point out that you used the same round as the police use.  The common wisdom out there is to just use whatever name brand hollowpoint that feeds reliably in your gun.

To determine this, you might want to buy around 200 or so of whatever HP you want to use after you break in the gun with range loads (some people like to put a few hundred rounds through before relying on the gun to protect them, to get the snags out, and most people I know use FMJ for the range, usually the same weight as their HP's, but not always) and see if your gun will feed them all no problem.

Now, if you're going to get anything below around a .380, it's probably useless to bother with HP's, as they might not have sufficient velocity to expand, and even if they do, their expansion is going to limit penetration to the point you might not be hitting vitals.

Also, put some consideration into how you want to carry the gun.  There are many different ways to carry your piece, and all have their advantages and disadvantages.  Further, there are many choices for holsters.  You'll need to consider things like plastic or leather, pocket carry, inside the waistband with a cover garment carry, purse carry, things of that nature.

The advice to go out and rent a bunch of guns is probably the best on here so far.  Guns can be a lot like anything else in that when it just feels right, it just feels right, period.  Try not to be too afraid of recoil, either, because the "bigger is better" mantra certainly applies to anything below a 9mm or .38spl.  I wouldn't want to be stuck with a .22 when the chips are down, but a .22 in the pocket is a hell of a lot better than a .44 magnum that I left at home because it's too heavy and I'm afraid to shoot it or can't control it.  Shoot some stuff that you're not quite comfortable with if you get the chance.  Every other shooter I know has been more than happy to let me try their stuff.  Basically, buy the most powerful caliber you're comfortable with.

Also, consider the price of ammo.  I won't be buying a .45 anytime soon (I'm actually getting ready to buy a carry piece soon, though I've shot lots of other people's guns) because of the price of ammo, and because I really don't see much of an advantage over 9mm in terms of expansion or penetration of the name brand rounds out there in comparison to the significant cost savings in range ammo (about half the price, which translates to twice the practice on the same money) and capacity.  9mm is going to be the least expensive range ammo you're going to find, unless you reload.  Even the smaller calibers are more expensive due to not selling as much as 9mm.

As for funky colors, go with what functions best for you and ignore what color they come from the factory while deciding on a model.  The perp isn't gonna care if he got shot by a pink gun or something in stainless with pearl grips.  Go with what functions best for you and if you really have your heart set on some cool new paintjob, there are people out there who will do this for you.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 26, 2007, 11:14 AM NHFT
I used to keep wadcutters in the .38 I kept for defending myself in my home in the city.  I thought if I had to use it I'd be less likely to kill someone.  At some point I realized that teenagers in my neighborhood we're carrying 14 shot 9's.  To my 6!. I keep 6 real nasty looking hollow points in it now.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat McCotter on January 26, 2007, 02:01 PM NHFT
It is known as a hammerless.

No, that one is a "bobbed hammer". There's no such thing as a truly "hammerless" revolver; some that are called "hammerless" just have their hammers hidden under a shroud. The hammer is there; the spur has been lopped off, so that it can't be manually cocked, but pulling the trigger cocks the hammer, then releases it to fire. That makes it a "DAO" ("double action only").

You're right about the reasoning: eliminating the spur reduces the risk of snagging.

There is also the hybrid, "button-cocking" revolver, which uses a shroud to eliminate snags, but leaves a small button of the hammer spur exposed, to allow manual cocking if needed.

Kevin

Well, lets see.  My 1856 Raymond & Robitell, Petingill Patent is a hammerless percussion and was advertized as such. Iver Johnson  and several manufaturers of cheaper guns from about 1880 on made them and called themhammerless.  When I was in the business in the 60' we we're still selling those nickel plated pieces of crap and calling them hammerless.
So....Excuse Me!

Ruger calls it "spurless." :P
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 26, 2007, 03:02 PM NHFT
My 1856 Raymond & Robitell, Petingill Patent

Bought that one new, didja?  ;)


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is a hammerless percussion and was advertized as such. Iver Johnson  and several manufaturers of cheaper guns from about 1880 on made them and called themhammerless.  When I was in the business in the 60' we we're still selling those nickel plated pieces of crap and calling them hammerless.
So....Excuse Me!

I know they've been called hammerless, even sometimes in the model name. But they aren't; they've got a hammer. You just can't cock it manually.

Kevin

Edit to add: here's a picture showing the hammer of your Raymond & Robitaille "hammerless":

(http://armscollectors.com/mgs/images/armyrevolvers/petinsidemech5.jpg)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 26, 2007, 04:36 PM NHFT
Thanks Kevin.  I haven't seen the inside of it in a long time.  You don't have to be an engineer to appreciate how advanced that mechanism was in a world full of single action firearms.  It was part of a collection a friend's grandfather was assembling during the early 1900's  that showed, the progression of 'automation' in handguns.  Long broken up the collection  included a pepperbox and a French pinfire revolver.  Do you have images of every gun ever made ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: eques on January 26, 2007, 04:40 PM NHFT
Ooo... pretty pistols.

Y'know... I really would like to get into guns and self-defense.  I'm a liability to myself otherwise.  :X
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 26, 2007, 05:44 PM NHFT
Do you have images of every gun ever made ;D

Google is your friend.  ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 26, 2007, 05:53 PM NHFT
I wonder if they have anything on the brake open single shot .22 with the laminated barrell and the door bolt style release that my father got for selling Salve. The name escapes me.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: cathleeninnh on January 26, 2007, 06:41 PM NHFT
I'm sure you gentlemen are just trying to help us little ladies, but this little lady got bored quite awhile ago.

Cathleen
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat K on January 26, 2007, 06:57 PM NHFT
I'm sure you gentlemen are just trying to help us little ladies, but this little lady got bored quite awhile ago.

Cathleen

OUCH!! sorry,
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: CNHT on January 26, 2007, 06:58 PM NHFT
I'm sure you gentlemen are just trying to help us little ladies, but this little lady got bored quite awhile ago.

Cathleen

LOL Cathleen, good thing you weren't married to MY husband!
Here's a little gun humor to make you laugh, from his friend (and mine) who is a gun dealer:

Scenario:  Jack pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.
1956 - Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his to show Jack.
2006 - School goes into lock-down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail >and never sees his truck or gun again.  Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 26, 2007, 09:44 PM NHFT
holy crap, i didnt expect this much of a responce to my post! thank you all!  I think the best thing to do now, is to go try some on for size.  Then we will see from there!  And yes google has been a good friend for looking up guns online!  But dont look up "Pink Guns"  it lead me to a porno site! hehe. 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 26, 2007, 11:26 PM NHFT
But dont look up "Pink Guns"  it lead me to a porno site! hehe. 

The pink Cricketts (http://crickett.com/CrickettRifle/crickettrifle.html) are in high demand every Christmas. Gotta start a girl off right!

John David (who turned 4 in November) just got his first rifle, a black Crickett. I made him learn and recite an age-appropriate variation of the Four Rules (http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/safetyrules.html). Now, he starts conversations with strangers in Wal Mart by telling them, "Never point at people or pets. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot. Guns can be very dangerous."  ;D

Kevin
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 26, 2007, 11:57 PM NHFT
OMG thats so freaking cool!!  Thats a hot pink riffle! >:D              I might just have to pick one of those little puppies up, and drive around with it in my gun rack!  LOL


Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 27, 2007, 01:46 AM NHFT
OMG thats so freaking cool!!  Thats a hot pink riffle! >:D              I might just have to pick one of those little puppies up, and drive around with it in my gun rack!  LOL

Operative word being "little". They have a 16-1/8" barrel, and 30" overall length. They're really sized for kids aged 5-10.

But I gotta admit, I got a kick out of testing it.  ;D

LawDog agrees (http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2006/12/shooting-crickett.html).
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Nat F on January 27, 2007, 02:19 AM NHFT
Thank you thank you!  I think the first thing i need to do, is try some out before I go jumping into a purchase.  Because I am going to be here in the little state of RI for the next 6 months, I am going to purchase in this state.  I hope I can find a woman's shooting club or something like that here in RI, but I have the feeling I wont, people dont seems to appreciate a good gun around these parts!

I'm only familiar with the more northern areas of RI, but I'm sure there are a lot of gun enthusiasts in the rural areas of the state.  My brother lives in Coventry and has seen a lot of deer hunters in the area. 

The folks at Manville might have information about other clubs if you live south of Providence.

http://manvillesportsmensrodandgunclub.org/

If you do live up near the MA border there's an indoor range in North Attleboro, MA.  They have quite a schedule of courses available and should also have a good selection of pistols for you to try.  They should also be able to point you to places to purchase in RI and might even have an arrangement with a RI based store to handle the paperwork since you can't buy a handgun out of state without transfering through a dealer in your state.

http://www.americanfirearmsschool.com/

I'm not aware of any woman's shooting groups in RI, but the Pink Pistols might be able to point you to a woman's group.  (They are a gay gun rights organization but are open to people of all sexual orientations).

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

-Nat
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 27, 2007, 07:59 AM NHFT
But dont look up "Pink Guns"  it lead me to a porno site! hehe. 

The pink Cricketts (http://crickett.com/CrickettRifle/crickettrifle.html) are in high demand every Christmas. Gotta start a girl off right!

John David (who turned 4 in November) just got his first rifle, a black Crickett. I made him learn and recite an age-appropriate variation of the Four Rules (http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/safetyrules.html). Now, he starts conversations with strangers in Wal Mart by telling them, "Never point at people or pets. Always keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot. Guns can be very dangerous."  ;D

Kevin

I saw this coming when Remington started making plastic stocks.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 27, 2007, 03:28 PM NHFT
A reliable gun that is used by cops is the Sig P229.  They can be had in many different looks.  If you want it bigger, go with a 226, and if you want it smaller, go with a 239.  They are available in 9mm, .40 S&W, & .357 Sig
(http://sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/229SAS-left.jpg)
I have a KelTec P3AT (.380) that's black, but they also make a .32 that's available in other colors.
(http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/5511/976798316/wm_md_24677.jpg)
I am a NRA certified pistol instructor, but would prefer to work with several other instructors teaching a class.

Nice, I like it!  I also like a .38 special snubnose (Taurus), it has a good kick though!  I need to go for shooting lessons I have a red laser beam and still can't hit the freakin target!  ::)

I know this is about guns but.....my cousin let me try to use his cross-bow when I was 15 and I couldn't even pull it back to shoot an arrow. I love skeet shooting, it's alot of fun. :)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Vote Tyler Stearns on January 27, 2007, 07:40 PM NHFT
Rainey...we should go shooting together sometime...
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 27, 2007, 08:25 PM NHFT
Rainey...we should go shooting together sometime...

Sounds like a great idea!   :)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 27, 2007, 08:30 PM NHFT
we should all go shooting together!!

Get this, I was on some State of RI website, last week or so, trying to find the laws, rules and regulation, So, i found a place that said, search, type in what law you are searching for, and someone will email you back, (something as to that effect.  So, I did it, and this is the responce I recieved..


Dear Beth,

This is not to be taken as legal advice. You might look at the following
copy and paste section taken from the RI General Laws 11-47-8'

   ? 11-47-8 License or permit required for carrying pistol ? Possession of
machine gun. ? (a) No person shall, without a license or permit issued as
provided in ?? 11-47-11, 11-47-12 and 11-47-18, carry a pistol or revolver
in any vehicle or conveyance or on or about his or her person whether
visible or concealed, except in his or her dwelling house or place of
business or on land possessed by him or her or as provided in ?? 11-47-9 and
11-47-10.

The above suggests purchasing a firearm. Contact your local gun shop and
they would be able to give you the direct answer that it's OK to purchase as
long as you're taking and keeping it at home.

This is not to be taken as legal advice.

Regards,
Adam Misturado
Reference

RI.gov Ask a Librarian
Providence Public Library
225 Washington St.
Providence, RI  02903
401-455-8005
pplri@provlib.org



OK,  So I can own a gun, but only at home?!?  No hunting?  No going to the local range?  Just at home.....    Its ok, Just at home...I cant get that out of my head...)  something is wicked wrong with this state.....  AND I WANT OUT!  Anyone looking for a  armed roomie? 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 27, 2007, 09:00 PM NHFT
Quote
OK,  So I can own a gun, but only at home?!?  No hunting?  No going to the local range?  Just at home.....    Its ok, Just at home...I cant get that out of my head...)  something is wicked wrong with this state.....  AND I WANT OUT!  Anyone looking for a  armed roomie?

That does sound stupid!   How are you supposed to get it home after you buy it? :-\
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 27, 2007, 09:01 PM NHFT
Rainey...we should go shooting together sometime...

I love your avatar. I was going to use that one next week but you beat me to it.   ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dreepa on January 27, 2007, 10:51 PM NHFT

   ? 11-47-8 License or permit required for carrying pistol ? Possession of
machine gun. ? (a) No person shall, without a license or permit issued as
provided in ?? 11-47-11, 11-47-12 and 11-47-18, carry a pistol or revolver
in any vehicle or conveyance or on or about his or her person whether
visible or concealed, except in his or her dwelling house or place of
business or on land possessed by him or her or as provided in ?? 11-47-9 and
11-47-10.
I think you missed the key words.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 27, 2007, 11:07 PM NHFT
There's also the key word "carry", which means to have available on our about your person. An unloaded gun in the trunk isn't being "carried", it's being "transported" to the range (or wherever).

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 27, 2007, 11:12 PM NHFT
yup, did miss a word, thanks, But i know many people in this state, and no one can seem to be granted a carry permit.  Nevermind hunting with a pistol, everyone gets denied that one, for no real reason. 

what if its a really old gun, like an antique with no serial number on it or  anything?

Someone recently in this state was having a heart attack, called 911, and when they got there, the emt called the police, because he "had an unusual amount of firearms and historical guns near a school"  He hasnt gotten his guns back yet.... 

I dont like the fact that in the RI law book on guns, it says I must have the gun while traveling, in the trunk of my car, and if i get stopped by the authorities, i must tell them of my weapon, and they will seize it, along with me, down to the station.  what for??  Grr..  I am frustrated.   >:(

Ohh well.   
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Spencer on January 27, 2007, 11:44 PM NHFT
There's also the key word "carry", which means to have available on our about your person. An unloaded gun in the trunk isn't being "carried", it's being "transported" to the range (or wherever).



And, remember, if you do happen to be stopped by a copper, you don't consent to any search and you don't know anything (do your best Sgt. Schultz impression: "I know nossing").  If they find something, don't say anything.  Save that stuff for your lawyer -- you don't owe anyone an explanation for anything (and chances are they'll only hear what they want to hear and only write down what helps screw you).
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Vote Tyler Stearns on January 28, 2007, 07:33 AM NHFT
It was like a Hallmark card...I saw it and had to have it because it expressed my thoughts so well! 

Rainey...we should go shooting together sometime...

I love your avatar. I was going to use that one next week but you beat me to it.   ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat McCotter on January 28, 2007, 08:25 AM NHFT
Beth. Please go down to your local gun shop (not a store that happens to sell guns as well as clothes and groceries and other non-gun related items) and ask them "What do I need to do to own and carry a handgun in RI?"
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat McCotter on January 28, 2007, 08:39 AM NHFT
Hey all,
Manchester Firing Line (http://www.gunsnh.com) has Ladies Night on Sunday from 5-8PM. Ladies shoot for free.

Does anyone know if the affiliated Belmont Firearms and Range does the same?

Also, at noon today is a Second Amendment Sisters meeting at Kansas City Steakhouse at Concord Holiday Inn. Raffle drawing to be held at noon:30.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: aworldnervelink on January 29, 2007, 09:06 PM NHFT
Beth just called me and apparently she broke her tailbone snowboarding and is in the hospital.  :( I'm sure this thread will resume once she is out. In the meantime feel free to append get-well wishes and humiliating jokes.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat K on January 29, 2007, 11:02 PM NHFT
Ouch!!! Hope for a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on January 30, 2007, 03:47 AM NHFT
Beth just called me and apparently she broke her tailbone snowboarding and is in the hospital.  :(

Ooof.  :(

There ain't no splint for a broken coccyx. It's purely "grimace and bear it", 'til things knit (which they are slow to do, what with the ol' spinal/pelvic region being rather central to everyday life.)

As a friend wrote:
I discovered after the rather intense spanking that my tailbone was fractured, and I had not called "yellow" on a broken spine. [Note to self: Recalibrate "yellow."]
 - Ancient Kung Foole Proverb

--By Phillip the Foole

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Vote Tyler Stearns on January 30, 2007, 10:01 AM NHFT
Eegads...best wishes for a quick recovery, Beth.  I injured tailbone in a snowmobiling accident when I was young.  As KBCraig says, it was a grimace & bear it recovery. 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Rocketman on January 30, 2007, 10:08 AM NHFT
Yikes, tough "break" Beth!   :o
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dan on January 30, 2007, 10:57 AM NHFT
I hope she comes home tonight.  It looks so damned painful.
The only thing they can do is dope her up enough that she doesn't feel anything for the ride home across the back seat.

She has been really excited about this 'forum thing', it's all new to her.  She'll have plenty of time on this board in the coming weeks. 

Thanks for the well wishes.  She'll be alright. 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Tom Sawyer on January 30, 2007, 11:18 AM NHFT
Ouchhh.

Convalescing sucks... we can try to keep her entertained with our wonderful wit.

A speedy recovery and as much comfort as possible. :)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 30, 2007, 11:34 AM NHFT
Got hit by a car when I was 5. 11 fractures of the pelvis and dislocated tailbone. Two months in the hospital. Had to learn to walk again.  My back has been a problem all of my life.  It doesn't stop me from doing stuff, it just extracts it's revenge later on >:D
I hope she  is OK
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dan on January 30, 2007, 02:44 PM NHFT
Got hit by a car when I was 5.

Huh.   I finally got you figured out.     >:D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 30, 2007, 03:35 PM NHFT
IM HOME!  Advice to all, dont break your bum!  Its painfull, everyone tried to tell me to sit in a wheelchair...  DUH I CANT SIT! and you relies how much you use a bum in a day! hehe, thanks for all the warm wishes.  I am walking, with crutches, and i got home, and put one crutch into dog poop...  this is just a bad week!  i wont be shooting anytime soon, ill just stick to crutches for self protection for the meantime!  Whack whack!  hehe, well, time for more drugs...  hot tea, a snuggle with my poopy dog, and a movie because daytime tv sucks!  ill be checking in between doses of narcotics! 

Thanks for the warm wishes, and i welcome any butt jokes, because thats all i can do at this point!   ;D    Beth broken bum
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: error on January 30, 2007, 03:38 PM NHFT
Thanks for the warm wishes, and i welcome any butt jokes, because thats all i can do at this point!   ;D    Beth broken bum

You've already been the butt of quite a few jokes, it seems... Glad to hear you're out of the hospital and back home. :)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 30, 2007, 03:50 PM NHFT
im sooo glad to be home.  i told the nazi nurses anything they wanted to hear to get me out.. that was awful...  im sooo glad to be home! and i dont care if im the butt if jokes!   Beth broken buns
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: eques on January 30, 2007, 04:38 PM NHFT
When I moved up to NH, I had some sort of... bruise or something... right underneath my tailbone.  It hurt and it took almost three weeks to heal... when I sat down, it hurt, but I was able to settle in after a while, I think.

Given how long it'd take for bones to knit... owwwwwwwww.

I hope you have a speedy recovery!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 30, 2007, 04:44 PM NHFT
Got hit by a car when I was 5.

Huh.   I finally got you figured out.     >:D

That was one of my few accidents where my head did not came into play
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on January 30, 2007, 04:52 PM NHFT
When I moved up to NH, I had some sort of... bruise or something... right underneath my tailbone.  It hurt and it took almost three weeks to heal... when I sat down, it hurt, but I was able to settle in after a while, I think.

I realize you don't need another medical scare, but, if the problem under your tailbone appeared without you're having banged the area or injuring it in some way, it could be an infected Pilinidal cyst.  It happens in young men. If you remember banging into a railing when moving in.....carry on.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Pat K on January 30, 2007, 04:57 PM NHFT
 "I am walking, with crutches, and i got home, and put one crutch into dog poop...  this is just a bad week!"


I think that is a sign of good luck.  :)

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 30, 2007, 05:02 PM NHFT
i hope its good luck!  eww! 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: eques on January 30, 2007, 08:23 PM NHFT
When I moved up to NH, I had some sort of... bruise or something... right underneath my tailbone.  It hurt and it took almost three weeks to heal... when I sat down, it hurt, but I was able to settle in after a while, I think.

I realize you don't need another medical scare, but, if the problem under your tailbone appeared without you're having banged the area or injuring it in some way, it could be an infected Pilinidal cyst.  It happens in young men. If you remember banging into a railing when moving in.....carry on.

The thought that it was a cyst crossed my mind, and I didn't want to see a doctor then (or now), so I did my best to keep it clean and run as much hot water as I could over it in the shower.  Once I started doing that, it started to get better until I found I didn't need to pay special attention to that area.

I think my father had a pilonidal cyst at some point, too, but I never heard about it from him.

I never had a fever, though, so I kind of doubt it became infected--just irritated from the work of driving to and fro (and I've experienced soreness before during long drives--maybe it is a cyst but has remained uninfected?).
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on January 31, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFT
Hey, I want all the attention, I am the one with the crack in my ass!! literally!!  i got a fractured tailbone!  thanks for the warm wishes, and the bad butt jokes.  im currently laying on my side, with the laptop on the floor, hanging off the sofa typing. boy the blood is rushing to my head!  time for more drugs!!! :toothy12: :toothy12: :toothy12:
!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Raineyrocks on January 31, 2007, 03:54 PM NHFT
Hey, I want all the attention, I am the one with the crack in my ass!! literally!!  i got a fractured tailbone!  thanks for the warm wishes, and the bad butt jokes.  im currently laying on my side, with the laptop on the floor, hanging off the sofa typing. boy the blood is rushing to my head!  time for more drugs!!! :toothy12: :toothy12: :toothy12:
!

Hee, hee! Don't fall off the sofa!  If your still awake what do you want to talk about, besides dentists of course! ;D
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on February 10, 2007, 07:51 PM NHFT
With regards to the legalities of firearms ownership/carry, Packing.org (http://www.packing.org/) has pretty good information on state firearms laws.

With regards to revolvers versus autoloaders, I'll just reiterate the point that, while an autoloader can fail more easily than a revolver, it can also be repaired in the field more easily.  As has been said, a failed revolver is just plain dead.  Throw it at your attacker and hope for a nasty bruise.

Well-maintianed, neither will fail on you.  And, if you're really worried, carry two.  Or three, if you like.  Personally, I can probably mess up someone's compass readings at twenty paces...

Rights atrophy if not used, just like muscles.  If someone comes at me with the "guns kill people" line, I don't go on the defensive.  I just say, "yeah, what's your point? as long as my guns only kill bad people, what's it to you?"  There's the apologetic "guns are only tools, not weapons" line that some people will take, and that's certainly true of some guns (Olympic target rifles, for example), but I don't carry guns because I might stumble across a range and want to punch some paper.  I carry guns because I might have to fire one to defend my life, or the life of another.

My guns are weapons.  I have never drawn one on someone who wasn't an imminent threat to my life.  I have never even been tempted to do so.  And, when someone was an imminent threat, I didn't hesitate.  And, if you are going to carry a firearm for self-defense, you need to be able to do that.  If you hesitate, the bad guy will have you, and he'll get your gun(s) as a bonus.  The psychology of self-defense is far more important than the weapon.  A .22, actually fired into an attacker, is imminently more effective than a .357Mag sitting inertly in a holster.  All the training time in the world is wasted if the only thing you train on is how to hit paper targets at 10 yards from a rest.  You need to train in drawing the gun, bringing it up on target, and firing without a slip-up.  Being able to nail the X isn't as important as getting a round into someone's center of mass, and quickly.  Call it a 6" circle.  Anything within that is fine.

But, above all, you have to be able to do it.  Think about it long and hard.  Not just logically and philosophically.  Sure, we all agree that self-defense is a human right.  Certainly, most here can quote the zero-aggression principle from memory.  But can you, emotionally, look into an attacker's eyes from three or four feet away, draw a hangun, bring it to bear on him and (if he doesn't instantly freeze and then slowly back down) shoot him dead?  Sure, your goal is to stop him, not particularly to kill him, but if you've trained well and are using decent ammunition, those two are likely to be one and the same.  Do you believe in your heart that you can do it?  Only you can answer that question.

Hopefully, you'll always be thinking on it, and never have to learn for certain.

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on February 10, 2007, 10:43 PM NHFT
With regards to the legalities of firearms ownership/carry, Packing.org (http://www.packing.org/) has pretty good information on state firearms laws.

Sadly, PDO is falling quickly out of date. Most of the state pages haven't been updated in a couple of years. Mark Solomon (the owner) has been something of an absentee landlord. He popped up last August to announce he was entering law school, and had no time for administration (quite understandable). He asked for volunteer state administrators. He had plenty of response, but the volunteers never heard anything from him.

So, don't rely on anything as presented on PDO, but do take advantage of the links.

A new, actively maintained resource is Handgunlaw.us (http://handgunlaw.us/).

Kevin
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Jack Zeller on March 27, 2007, 08:00 AM NHFT
To Beth221,

Yours are good questions, but depend on your size, what you want the firearm to accomplish, and what you can afford. If you buy new, an adequate caliber for protection will cost at least 300.00 bucks or so, to mid-range 600.00. MM and caliber mean the same thing, just one is in inches, and mm is in metric. 9mm is essentially the same caliber as 38 spl or 357 mag. If you are diminitive or have especially small hands, the Kel-Tec 9MM or .380 caliber is an excellent buy. A step up both in quality and cost, is the Kahr 9mm. If you are a large handed/bodied femaile, the Glock 19 or 26 are excellent. Since you will want to conceal it, stay away from the .38 specials or other revolvers - they tend to be thicker, and have less ammunition capacity. If you recieved a fair amount of practice and have good weapon handling skills, the Ladysmith in 9mm from Smith and Wesson is a reliable and sturdy firearm.
Once you pick the gun and caliber, then you need to carefully decide which bullet to carry in it. I can help you there as well.
Do not let the bureaucracy and 38 pages stop you. Do the app, and appeal it if turned down. Join the NRA. I do recommend the NRA basic pistol course, it is excellent. If you need further help or information, I am at jzeller@hotmail.com. Jack
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: powerchuter on March 27, 2007, 11:17 PM NHFT
With regards to the legalities of firearms ownership/carry, Packing.org (http://www.packing.org/) has pretty good information on state firearms laws.

With regards to revolvers versus autoloaders, I'll just reiterate the point that, while an autoloader can fail more easily than a revolver, it can also be repaired in the field more easily.  As has been said, a failed revolver is just plain dead.  Throw it at your attacker and hope for a nasty bruise.

Well-maintianed, neither will fail on you.  And, if you're really worried, carry two.  Or three, if you like.  Personally, I can probably mess up someone's compass readings at twenty paces...

Rights atrophy if not used, just like muscles.  If someone comes at me with the "guns kill people" line, I don't go on the defensive.  I just say, "yeah, what's your point? as long as my guns only kill bad people, what's it to you?"  There's the apologetic "guns are only tools, not weapons" line that some people will take, and that's certainly true of some guns (Olympic target rifles, for example), but I don't carry guns because I might stumble across a range and want to punch some paper.  I carry guns because I might have to fire one to defend my life, or the life of another.

My guns are weapons.  I have never drawn one on someone who wasn't an imminent threat to my life.  I have never even been tempted to do so.  And, when someone was an imminent threat, I didn't hesitate.  And, if you are going to carry a firearm for self-defense, you need to be able to do that.  If you hesitate, the bad guy will have you, and he'll get your gun(s) as a bonus.  The psychology of self-defense is far more important than the weapon.  A .22, actually fired into an attacker, is imminently more effective than a .357Mag sitting inertly in a holster.  All the training time in the world is wasted if the only thing you train on is how to hit paper targets at 10 yards from a rest.  You need to train in drawing the gun, bringing it up on target, and firing without a slip-up.  Being able to nail the X isn't as important as getting a round into someone's center of mass, and quickly.  Call it a 6" circle.  Anything within that is fine.

But, above all, you have to be able to do it.  Think about it long and hard.  Not just logically and philosophically.  Sure, we all agree that self-defense is a human right.  Certainly, most here can quote the zero-aggression principle from memory.  But can you, emotionally, look into an attacker's eyes from three or four feet away, draw a hangun, bring it to bear on him and (if he doesn't instantly freeze and then slowly back down) shoot him dead?  Sure, your goal is to stop him, not particularly to kill him, but if you've trained well and are using decent ammunition, those two are likely to be one and the same.  Do you believe in your heart that you can do it?  Only you can answer that question.

Hopefully, you'll always be thinking on it, and never have to learn for certain.

Joe

Hi Beth,
You've met Joe and I before at Kevin's place.  We both torture compasses pretty much full time.  Joe is right about the most important issue, and that is...will you actually be able to defend yourself or will you freeze up in disbelief that this is happening to you?  The time to find out/think it out...is now, not when an immediate threat exists.

When you're ready I'll train you with everything from a .22 mini-revolver on up to sub-machineguns for just the cost of equipment, ammo, and range time.  After that you will have the knowledge to select the defensive sidearm that works best for you.

Rob
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2007, 09:13 AM NHFT
She got the best possible gun-instructor now: Her dad, who was happy has hell to hear his daughter wanted a sidearm.  We go to the range this weekend with a literal truckload of variety in firearms.

Slightly duplicitous because we are trying to get him to come to porcfest.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: powerchuter on March 28, 2007, 09:25 AM NHFT
She got the best possible gun-instructor now: Her dad, who was happy has hell to hear his daughter wanted a sidearm.  We go to the range this weekend with a literal truckload of variety in firearms.

Slightly duplicitous because we are trying to get him to come to porcfest.

That's great!
The offer stands to others as well...
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on March 28, 2007, 12:37 PM NHFT
Ohh by the way, I am studying this stupid booklet to get a "blue card" so I can buy a firearm! 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: powerchuter on March 28, 2007, 01:25 PM NHFT
Ohh by the way, I am studying this stupid booklet to get a "blue card" so I can buy a firearm! 

That stuff will rot your brain, isn't that crap enough to drive you to NH today!?!
Where we'll meet you at the border and strap one on you right away!

Geez, what part of "shall not infringe" don't they get!?!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: error on March 28, 2007, 05:51 PM NHFT
Oh, the bureaucrats read as far as "well-regulated" and figured (wrongly) that meant they could pass all the regulations they wanted.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on March 28, 2007, 05:59 PM NHFT
Oh, the bureaucrats read as far as "well-regulated" and figured (wrongly) that meant they could pass all the regulations they wanted.

I always enjoy trying analogs with anti-gun folks.  They get themselves so worked-up about "guns" that they cease to be able to comprehend English.  So, it is useful to remove "guns" from the equation:

"A well educated Electorate, being necessary to the democracy of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

Read that to anti-gun folks, and ask them if it gives Congress the power to ban books and regulate their ownership, sale, and use.  Most will just backpedal in amusing ways, but a few may actually have that lightbulb turn on above their heads...

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: PassionatePantherrr on March 28, 2007, 07:59 PM NHFT
I second (or third, or whatever) the idea of coming up to the Manchester Firing Range and learning on a rented gun, and let's make it a party for all the interested gals! (I've only ever shot a 22 there successfully myself, larger calibers had too much recoil for me).
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: error on March 28, 2007, 08:21 PM NHFT
I ask anti-gun people why they think 80 million Americans want to kill them.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dreepa on March 28, 2007, 08:42 PM NHFT
I second (or third, or whatever) the idea of coming up to the Manchester Firing Range and learning on a rented gun, and let's make it a party for all the interested gals! (I've only ever shot a 22 there successfully myself, larger calibers had too much recoil for me).
ALso if more than 2 people take the class together it is cheaper ($100 per person)... $100 for 11 hours seems like a good deal to me.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: penguins4me on March 29, 2007, 12:42 AM NHFT
Quote from: powerchuter
That stuff will rot your brain, isn't that crap enough to drive you to NH today!?!
Where we'll meet you at the border and strap one on you right away!

Geez, what part of "shall not infringe" don't they get!?!

On the subject of required firearm carry licensing, while it is an abomination and an affront to the Constitution, some of the training that goes along with it *can* be valuble... if the time is taken to find an instructor who is interested in educating students, rather than just running through the required items.

There are a lot of worthwhile, informative tidbits which can be learned from a good instructor, covering everything from firearm safety (squibs, etc.), criminal violations and the penalties thereof (IIRC, don't carry in a National Park; or do, and pay a fine if caught, hmm), as well as plenty of thoughts on how best to cover the "civil" court aspect and fallout from any potential self-defense incident.

So, while such training should never be mandatory in order to pratice one's "inherant, God-given" rights, it does come highly recommended even if one isn't required to attend.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dan on March 29, 2007, 01:51 PM NHFT
So, while such training should never be mandatory in order to pratice one's "inherant, God-given" rights, it does come highly recommended even if one isn't required to attend.

You know, like seatbelts.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Dan on March 29, 2007, 01:53 PM NHFT
"A well educated Electorate, being necessary to the democracy of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

Read that to anti-gun folks, and ask them if it gives Congress the power to ban books and regulate their ownership, sale, and use.  Most will just backpedal in amusing ways, but a few may actually have that lightbulb turn on above their heads...


Woot!  That was great, gotta look for more 'substitutions' for issues like that.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: money dollars on March 29, 2007, 02:20 PM NHFT
I always enjoy trying analogs with anti-gun folks.  They get themselves so worked-up about "guns" that they cease to be able to comprehend English.  So, it is useful to remove "guns" from the equation:

How can you remove "guns" from the 2nd? It says "arms". I like when the pro-gun people try to say the second is about guns, and guns can't be regulated, but they have no problem with the regulation of other arms, like nukes.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: eques on March 29, 2007, 05:15 PM NHFT
I propose we ban elbows.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: error on March 29, 2007, 07:59 PM NHFT
Indeed. And I seem to recall something about a Supreme Court decision saying the Second Amendment protected the right of individuals to keep and bear military arms.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Raineyrocks on March 30, 2007, 08:20 AM NHFT
I propose we ban elbows.

It took me a day but I get it now, that's funny! :)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on March 30, 2007, 03:40 PM NHFT
I always enjoy trying analogs with anti-gun folks.  They get themselves so worked-up about "guns" that they cease to be able to comprehend English.  So, it is useful to remove "guns" from the equation:
How can you remove "guns" from the 2nd? It says "arms". I like when the pro-gun people try to say the second is about guns, and guns can't be regulated, but they have no problem with the regulation of other arms, like nukes.

Uh, did you actually read my post?  The point was to put something else in there which the anti-gun folks generally don't find offensive, so they no longer have an excuse to retreat to emotion.  Then they are left facing the absurdity of their claims.  They usually run away from that, but a few may actually see the light.

As to why we're discussing guns in regards to the Second Amendment, well, the thread is "Firearms for Females," not "Atomic Weapons for Females."  But yes, the Second Amendment prohibits the restriction of any military weapons, of any sort, from a Ka-Bar to a 300-megaton hydrogen bomb.

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on March 30, 2007, 03:42 PM NHFT
Indeed. And I seem to recall something about a Supreme Court decision saying the Second Amendment protected the right of individuals to keep and bear military arms.

United States v Miller

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: money dollars on March 30, 2007, 03:55 PM NHFT
I always enjoy trying analogs with anti-gun folks.  They get themselves so worked-up about "guns" that they cease to be able to comprehend English.  So, it is useful to remove "guns" from the equation:
How can you remove "guns" from the 2nd? It says "arms". I like when the pro-gun people try to say the second is about guns, and guns can't be regulated, but they have no problem with the regulation of other arms, like nukes.

Uh, did you actually read my post?  The point was to put something else in there which the anti-gun folks generally don't find offensive, so they no longer have an excuse to retreat to emotion.  Then they are left facing the absurdity of their claims.  They usually run away from that, but a few may actually see the light.

As to why we're discussing guns in regards to the Second Amendment, well, the thread is "Firearms for Females," not "Atomic Weapons for Females."  But yes, the Second Amendment prohibits the restriction of any military weapons, of any sort, from a Ka-Bar to a 300-megaton hydrogen bomb.
Uh, yea, I read your post, duh.  And my point was that most pro-gun people are not for the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on March 30, 2007, 04:15 PM NHFT
...my point was that most pro-gun people are not for the Second Amendment.

Well, most "pro-gun" people really aren't even pro-gun.  Ask the majority of hunters what they think about military arms, and they'll tell you they would gladly vote to ban all military arms, if the politicians promised to leave their "sporting arms" alone.  It's a sad state of affairs, when people can't learn from the past.

Personally... Molon Labe...

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: money dollars on March 30, 2007, 04:32 PM NHFT
tru dat
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on March 30, 2007, 05:36 PM NHFT
.....Anyways..........


I went shooting today!!!!  I really enjoyed the 45 I used.  There were three guns we (Dan and I) tried out that my Bro-in law owns.  It was a good day!  How I have been missing the smell of gun powder! 

How many people reload their own ammunition?

I figure it is a smart thing to get into if I am going to be shooting on a regular basis. 

I think I am ready to take the state mandatory blue card test.

Then it will be purchasing time!

How many people here belong to a gun club or range?   
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: penguins4me on March 31, 2007, 03:47 AM NHFT
I don't reload, but it may not be worth the time and effort upfront as opposed to simply shooting a more economical caliber more often. Walmart (and other places) sell 9mm ammo for roughly fifteen cents a round (up from ten cents six months ago ): and decent .22LR ammo can be had at around two cents per round.

You can also buy bulk ammo from outfits such as ammoman.com, Black Hills Ammo, Georgia Arms (no firsthand experience ... yet), etc. for more reasonable prices.

However, if those prices are still a bit high, reloading is usually the cheapest way to go for the less common calibers. Do be aware that being careless while loading ammunition can cause firearms which your ammo is used in to fail, sometimes violently, often due to such things as a double charge of powder. As long as a reloader pays attention to detail, it can be a good way to shoot the more expensive ammo for less. :)

Reloading is also about the only way for bulls-eye shooters to get those perfectly consistant cartridges they need for the best shot groupings possible.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on March 31, 2007, 04:48 AM NHFT
.....Anyways..........


I went shooting today!!!!

Congrats! And congrats on liking the .45; even atheists admit that John Moses Browning is God's personal gunsmith. ;)

What variety of .45 did you shoot?


Quote
How many people reload their own ammunition?

I figure it is a smart thing to get into if I am going to be shooting on a regular basis.

There are only three reasons to reload:
1) To save money (not much, but a little) over the price of commercial ammo.
2) To fine-tune a more accurate and/or lethal load for hunting or self defense.
3) Just because you enjoy the process.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Beth221 on March 31, 2007, 02:21 PM NHFT
colt .45 1911 (?) or maybe a 1991 (?) I cant remember
a ruger .45 LR singel action revolver which was just plain scary
and a ruger .22LR with a cute scope that showed a red dot on the target! 

I plan on going shooting with another person who I know in a few weeks, and unsure of what his collection is! 

Its really nice to be able to try before buying, and gun owners are excited to show me their favorite guns!\

The colt i tried I shot real good with it, grouped my shots well, it didnt have scary recoil like the ruger revolver did.  The only thing was the ammo went real quickly!  The .22 i did really really good on!  I think that is a fine gun to get use to shooting.  While firing the BIG revolver, i purposely left one cartridges out of cylinder, too see how i react when i pull the trigger, and sure enough, my arm jumped a mile!  It was a good little test.  I didnt come close to hitting any target with that scary ruger revolver.. 

other than that, I FREAKING KICKED DANS ASS!!!!!  I even saved my "shoot N see" targets to frame!!!  heheee! 
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on March 31, 2007, 03:37 PM NHFT
The colt i tried I shot real good with it, grouped my shots well, it didnt have scary recoil like the ruger revolver did.

People get all worried about how much they expect a .45ACP will kick, but it's not that bad.  Personally, I actually prefer the recoil of a .45ACP 1911 to a 9mm revolver.  The action of the semi-auto absorbs a lot of the recoil, and the .45ACP is more of a "push" than the sharp "snap" of a 9mm, ayway.  Much more pleasant to shoot, excepting the ammunition bill...

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: KBCraig on March 31, 2007, 04:04 PM NHFT
And the .40 is harshest of all common calibers, recoil-wise. As you say, it's not just the energy of the recoil, but the nature of the recoil pulse.

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: powerchuter on April 01, 2007, 07:59 PM NHFT
I always enjoy trying analogs with anti-gun folks.  They get themselves so worked-up about "guns" that they cease to be able to comprehend English.  So, it is useful to remove "guns" from the equation:
How can you remove "guns" from the 2nd? It says "arms". I like when the pro-gun people try to say the second is about guns, and guns can't be regulated, but they have no problem with the regulation of other arms, like nukes.

Uh, did you actually read my post?  The point was to put something else in there which the anti-gun folks generally don't find offensive, so they no longer have an excuse to retreat to emotion.  Then they are left facing the absurdity of their claims.  They usually run away from that, but a few may actually see the light.

As to why we're discussing guns in regards to the Second Amendment, well, the thread is "Firearms for Females," not "Atomic Weapons for Females."  But yes, the Second Amendment prohibits the restriction of any military weapons, of any sort, from a Ka-Bar to a 300-megaton hydrogen bomb.

Joe

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Quantrill on April 24, 2007, 08:32 PM NHFT
Quote
There are only three reasons to reload:
1) To save money (not much, but a little) over the price of commercial ammo.
2) To fine-tune a more accurate and/or lethal load for hunting or self defense.
3) Just because you enjoy the process.


I thought of another reason to reload:

4) To have a source of ammo once the  :shithitsthefan:  and you can no longer legally acquire it!
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: penguins4me on April 24, 2007, 09:23 PM NHFT
Reloading isn't the magic answer to bans, though, since primers are fairly difficult to make from scratch, and the brass is almost impossible to make from scratch. Likely most folks would have a hard time with smokeless powder, too. Therefore, while reloading is generally a cost-effective way to make your ammo money last longer, it isn't likely to be overlooked if the gov't tries to ban ammo.

I own a percussion-cap revolver, and while lead balls, felt wads, and even black powder are fairly easy to make from scratch, I'm not so sure about the percussion caps themselves!

I believe the best way to prevent ammo (and gun) bans is to have plenty stashed away in a cool, dry place already - so that the ultimatum described in the Declaration of Independence can still be carried out if needed.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: MaineShark on April 25, 2007, 08:47 AM NHFT
Reloading isn't the magic answer to bans, though, since primers are fairly difficult to make from scratch, and the brass is almost impossible to make from scratch. Likely most folks would have a hard time with smokeless powder, too. Therefore, while reloading is generally a cost-effective way to make your ammo money last longer, it isn't likely to be overlooked if the gov't tries to ban ammo.

Primers are no difficulty.  I can think of half a dozen compounds that could be used, and most could be made from common household chemicals.

Smokeless powder is even easier than primers.

Brass can be made by anyone with access to a machineshop.  But, of course, the point is that existing brass could be re-used, thereby defeating the ban.  I expect revolvers would make a come-back in that situation.

Shotguns ammunition is even easier than rifle/pistol brass.

Anyone with access to a machineshop could also easily turn out decent firearms.  Heck, anyone with hand tools and a bit of patience could made a basic revolver and use it to capture a better weapon.  Anyone without patience could make a "zip gun" and hope for the best.

Joe
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: error on April 25, 2007, 02:05 PM NHFT
Heck, anyone with hand tools and a bit of patience could made a basic revolver and use it to capture a better weapon.  Anyone without patience could make a "zip gun" and hope for the best.

Someone should crank up their machine shop and turn out a million more of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator).
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: beretta92d on November 10, 2007, 01:17 PM NHFT
my sis has one of these..(though she has never fired it,it's been sitting in her safe since she got it about a yr ago)
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14792&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

but like it has been said before,you should try before you buy..like at manchester firing line.(or any other shooting range that lets you rent guns to use)
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: kickinandtickin on April 20, 2009, 12:54 PM NHFT
I didn't read this entire thread.. I don't know much about guns anyway ... but I do remember researching the same question for a friend of mine -- a very-good-looking woman who would turn heads anywhere, a single mother, a psychiatrist (thus working in and around unstable folk on meds), often in darkened parking lots, and in a city possibly racked with crime and criminals. 

Here's what I advise(d):

-- a small, semi-automatic or automatic .38 with lots of practice and hollow-point rounds; I didn't think she was looking to (or would survive) any heavy fire-fights; her danger was being accosted by an unarmed or armed thug.  So I thought her weapon of choice would be something that was comfortable, easy, and packed a lot of first-shot or second-shot stopping power; I even considered a derringer.

-- lots of self-awareness training, especially through a good police-oriented self-defense course, or better yet some serious attention to and practice of aikido;

-- reading and understanding of the OODA loop  and its high speed applications;

google it up, read a lot, and look especially for the articles designed for law enforcement types

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ooda+loop+law+enforcement&aq=3&oq=OODA+ (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ooda+loop+law+enforcement&aq=3&oq=OODA+) 

(hey, not all cops are bad, and they have to be very adept at handling themselves in conflict and tense situations);

-- reading about collective resonance  
http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/index.htm ,

and
collective resonance at gunpoint  
http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/papers/levi_police.htm  ... ;

-- learning how to

meditate in action,
slow down time, and
relax.
Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: robertrogers on December 23, 2010, 05:45 AM NHFT
Typically a well-protected home will have on hand several guns each of which excels for the different scenarios a firearm may be needed for.  At a minimum you would best be served by owning a handgun, a shotgun, and a rifle.  Add to that a rifle that fires the .22lr round for basic survival.

For rifles, perhaps the best to start with is the .22lr  Plenty of inexpensive ammo (a few cents per round), easy to shoot with little kick.  Great starter rifle to train with that is also is oft considered the best survival rifle of all.  Handguns firing .22lr are also excellent for training.

Shotgun: 12-gauge is best for home defense, for smaller people a 20-gauge will do.

Handgun: for self defense anything with a "40" such as .45acp or 40S&W is best.  But 9mm will do and is very common - for smaller people the 9mm generally works well.

Go with common calibers so that should the SHTF you will be more likely to find ammo.  Some very common ammo that many households and stores have on-hand include:

9mm, .45acp, 12-guage, .22lr, .223, 30-30, 7.62x39, .308

For a man, I might recommend acquiring the following 5 firearms:

.22lr rifle, 12-guage shotgun, .45acp handgun, choose one rifle: (.223, 30-30, 7.62x39), and a .308

for a woman of smaller build these four firearms would set you up well:
.22lr rifle, 20-gauge shotgun, 9mm handgun, .223 rifle

Be sure to have plenty of ammo and at least half a dozen magazines for each firearm.

Title: Re: Firearms for Females
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 23, 2010, 06:26 AM NHFT
In Grafton, the Freetown the chicks carry .50's