"I proclaim publicly that I favor ending government involvement in education."
Click here: https://honestedu.org/page1.php to add your name to the above proclamation!
I'd like to meet with you JP, and Dada and Mike Fisher about seriously doing something about this. Anyone else who's really interested in separating school and state would also be welcome, of course. I think it'd be pretty easy to get us together, except for Mike who's so far away. You guys interested? Suggested date/time for such a meeting?
In looking over the site, I noticed there were a couple of hundred signers from NH. This is good. Perhaps a group could be formed to push this idea.
Well, let's make it a Saturday morning perhaps in Peterborough??
JP
I can make it.
hmmm let me check my calendar (looks up forum calender) I think it could work.
Quote from: AlanM on March 30, 2005, 10:02 AM NHFT
In looking over the site, I noticed there were a couple of hundred signers from NH. This is good. Perhaps a group could be formed to push this idea.
Yes, there is a group. ?Many, many
NH signers have been on board for years. ?(Last I checked was . . . before I moved here.)
Marshall Fritz is a good man. ?He has been around the "freedom" movment since (?). . . Mr. Fritz knows how to sell freedom ideas! (Can you say Noland Chart? ?Marshall is part of the reason. ?Did you read "Restoring The American Dream" by Robert Ringer? ?Marshall promoted that.)
John,
Is there a way to contact this group?
Several of them listed have contact info public.
Oh also there's a yahoo list I'm on. It's nationwide but could contact some people that way.
Have a meeting with our Dover Tax group that morning. :( Sent a note off to confirm meeting, if not a go will try and get by.
OK, this Saturday, 9:30 am at the Peterborough Diner.
Peterborough Diner Map (http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&tuid=21588659&ck=3200667243&tab=B2C&tcat=8903827&city=Peterborough&state=NH&uzip=03458&country=us&msa=0000&cs=4&ed=w8rHhq1o2TwZS7J7PAiwbL2No_zJ6KvToNSiYMF6CRp7&stat=:pos:0:regular:regT:1:fbT:1)
I'll email Mike Fisher and Dave and see if they can come. Anyone else interested?
All set. Meet you there.
I will be there for sure.
Also, Kat and others: Lori, our friend Jini and I were thinking about writing a homeschool curriculum on the NH and Federal Constitutions. Anyone else interested?
JP
Wonderful idea, JP and all! I know there's not any homeschool curriculum on the NH constitution, and the US one is tough to find.
Hey Peterborough gang.....how do you like the idea of making the Saturday morning breakfast a Peterborough occurance?
Is the morning good for you guys?....I was wondering since we sometimes miss Scott because of work.
Scott is working tomorrow, but Lori and I will be there.
I'll have to check it out with them, but I think 9:30 in Peterborough on a weekly basis sounds like fun.
JP
Oops...to damn far if you can get say a 1/2 hour closer, expect you might talk me
into it! ;D
You could always move to Keene 8)
We missed ya Dave! But you know, we kept it that extra 1/2 hour away because we knew that with you AND I at the same table, no one else would get a word in edge-wise!
;)
JP
Whew, quiet person like me has to work hard to get a word in! :)
Next meeting April 23rd 10:00 am, Peterborough Diner.
Thought about it a little and think a yahoo group will be easier for discussion of this.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NHSepSchoolState/
does yahoo pay you to set these things up >:D
Quote from: YeahItsMeJP on April 02, 2005, 08:09 PM NHFT
We missed ya Dave! But you know, we kept it that extra 1/2 hour away because we knew that with you AND I at the same table, no one else would get a word in edge-wise!
;)
JP
Perhaps if we set at opposite ends of the table, pledge an oath of silence for 10 minute intervals, we just might pull it off....no, no make that 15 minutes! :)
Quote from: katdillon on April 03, 2005, 01:05 PM NHFT
Thought about it a little and think a yahoo group will be easier for discussion of this.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NHSepSchoolState/
You didn't invite JP did you? ::)
I'm going to try and summarize the plan as it now
stands.
1. Education campaign
a. parents
b. students
c. flyer type outreach
d. public showing of anti-school movie(s)
e. promote separation at May alternative school fair
2. Publicity/support
a. getting the word out about internet site
(Liberty tree or nhfree.com)
b. protests in front of schools
c. letters to the editor
d. contact known separation sympathizers
3. Civil disobedience
a. encourage people to stop paying for the schools
b. stop paying yourself, if that is possible
4. Constitutional amendment 2005
a. need amendment writer
b. need sponsor in legislature
I added some stuff we didn't discuss the other day.
Did I miss anything? Let's hash out some details :)
Does everyone prefer to do this on the forum, rather
than the yahoo group? We can do both and see which
one is more useful.
Kat
Quote from: katdillon on April 03, 2005, 06:13 AM NHFT
Next meeting April 23rd 10:00 am, Peterborough Diner.
The NHLA will be having a membership meeting in Somersworth on the 23rd, so given my duties there can not make the meeting. Believing personal face to face contact is important to staying on the same page, hoping to make your next meeting.
Given it's a 2 hour drive for me, any possibility of a later breakfast, or perhaps even lunch?
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! :)
Besides that...I miss the opportunity to compete with JP for air time! ;D
Is Gatto done with his "Fourth Purpose" documentary?
Tracy
Quote from: katdillon on April 04, 2005, 02:18 PM NHFT
I'm going to try and summarize the plan as it now
stands.
1. Education campaign
a. parents
b. students
c. flyer type outreach
d. public showing of anti-school movie(s)
e. promote separation at May alternative school fair
2. Publicity/support
a. getting the word out about internet site
(Liberty tree or nhfree.com)
b. protests in front of schools
c. letters to the editor
d. contact known separation sympathizers
3. Civil disobedience
a. encourage people to stop paying for the schools
b. stop paying yourself, if that is possible
4. Constitutional amendment 2005
a. need amendment writer
b. need sponsor in legislature
I added some stuff we didn't discuss the other day.
Did I miss anything? Let's hash out some details :)
Does everyone prefer to do this on the forum, rather
than the yahoo group? We can do both and see which
one is more useful.
Kat
Auschwitz! ?Why?
http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/hull/hull2.html
"Exposing the truth about the origins of Auschwitz would challenge too many sacred cows, because the foundation of a totalitarian state is GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS."
"Government schools teach young, impressionable minds to revere the state, submit to its authority and bow down to its bureaucrats. ?(That's why governments always want to run the schools.) By the 7th grade, the kid belongs more to the state than his own parents."
"If America is to return to even a semblance of the freedom we had 200 years ago, we simply must eliminate government from all school systems. ?From pre-school to universities. ?And demand an end to the taxation that supports it. We must literally take back our kids from the state's control."
A great article on this subject.
I think we could start out by making the case that ANYONE who can afford to take their children out of public schools should do so immediately, as they are immorally stealing from their neighbors for a free education for no reason.
Also, we could take the perspective of: ?"Who do you want your children to be raised by? ?The government? ?Do you REALLY trust the government with your children's education?"
If we do mailings, it's too expensive. ?However, if we hand out flyers manually, we could do it at almost NO cost, and we may be able to talk to many people directly. ?Chinese restaurants do this all the time because they understand the value of hard work.
Our willingness to do this type of hard work will also determine our success. ?I can think of nothing more important than getting children out of these government "education" camps.
I had a chat with a fellow today about Separation of Schools and State that blew me away. I mentioned our new group starting, and what the goal was, expecting him to give me all the pat answers for why public schools were good and important. His reply: Sounds great to me. The schools are broken and beyond repair. It's time to start fresh, without government involvement this time.
I couldn't have said it better myself. 8)
Quote from: tracysaboe on April 04, 2005, 05:03 PM NHFT
Is Gatto done with his "Fourth Purpose" documentary?
Tracy
I've never heard of it.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/fourthpurpose/gatto.htm
Cool! It was hearing him speak at Laissez-Faire books that got me to consider homeschooling.
I'm working up the courage to start doing individual protests at public schools. The sign will say:
SCHOOL
IS
SLAVERY
NHFREE.COM
To me, the spirit of an individual protest is like this:
(http://www.asianamericans.com/TiananmenSquareJune51989.jpg)
The man that blocked a column of tanks the day after the Tiananmen Square massacre in China. THAT is the true spirit of freedom in my eyes.
Bocked?
This dude said Hey!
What the F are you fighting for? Me?
I could stand up to a tank like that, but then I wiegh as much as one of those tanks so no big deal.
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 05, 2005, 11:12 PM NHFT
I'm working up the courage to start doing individual protests at public schools.? The sign will say:
SCHOOL
IS
SLAVERY
NHFREE.COM
I like it
BTW, if anyone is interested in the national separation of school and state email list it is here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SepSchool/
I got an enthusiastic reply back from Marshall Fritz last night :) We should be getting some materials and maybe a speaker from him for the edu fair and probably for other stuff.
If the separation alliance doesn't have a speaker available for the
education fair, is anyone here interested in doing a presentation for
it? I'm asking if the SepSchool people have any resources available
for making a presentation on the subject.
We'll be discussing this project on Sunday, if anyone wants to come out to the Monadnock Porcupines meeting (Noon, Cheshire Village Pizza).
I've been engaging in a Separation of School & State discussion over on the Merrimack Town Forum (http://www.merrimackforum.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1800), which has been enjoyable. There's even talk of writing me in for school board, though I'm not sure who I pissed off to deserve that. ;D
Hoping you can make Kat's meeting Sunday. Thinking it important that we all get on the same page, rather than doing our own thing, and risk duplicating effort. :)
FYI, Y'all,
I'll be there Sunday. Also, we're lining up some education related topics at Porc Fest... I hope you'll enjoy them ;)
V-
Quote from: mvpel on April 08, 2005, 09:22 AM NHFT
I've been engaging in a Separation of School & State discussion over on the Merrimack Town Forum (http://www.merrimackforum.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1800), which has been enjoyable.? There's even talk of writing me in for school board, though I'm not sure who I pissed off to deserve that.? ?;D
I believe that was Jeannine Stergios, one of 'us'. Note her signature line?
"It Takes A School To Bankrupt A Village" taken from our bumper stickers. ^-^
Yep, it was Jeanine.
Turns out Jeanine and I are sixth cousins, thrice removed. :)
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 05, 2005, 11:12 PM NHFT
I'm working up the courage to start doing individual protests at public schools.? The sign will say:
SCHOOL
IS
SLAVERY
NHFREE.COM
Kat and Russell, how did you make those professional looking signs on white cardboard?? Not the whiteboard ones with dry-erase markers - the other ones.? They looked like professionally printed signs, almost as good as the big LSF check that was over $100 to have professionally printed.
I drove around a bit today and could not find any of that type of board for a sign OR the letters that you put on the sign.
It's time to shake things up and I need a good sign.? ;)
Foam board (from Walmart, Staples, etc.), stencils, sharpies or other permanents markers...dry erase markers work on it too.
Here's an idea for us:
Story Nights Attract New Yorkers Like Moths to Flame
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&ncid=572&e=1&u=/nm/20050405/lf_nm/arts_moth_dc
"People are starved for connection," said Lea Thau, executive and creative director of The Moth, which still sees itself as building community. "Blackberries, Palm Pilots and all the rest are wonderful at communicating information. I'm not sure they get us to understand our humanity more. I think that's what stories do."
The five 10-minute tales were each as different as their storytellers onstage at The Moth -- a modern New York take on a tradition that stretches from Homer's epics to ghost stories around the camp fire.
The first meetings were in Green's living room. Since then, more than 35,000 people, through word of mouth, mailings and e-mail notices, have heard the call of the flame. Moth storytellers take to the stage about once a month in New York.
At Moth evenings, storytellers cannot read from scripts or notes and must tell stories around a predetermined theme.
On one recent night of pelting wet snow in Manhattan, singles and couples, mostly in their 20s, 30s or 40s, gathered at the club Crash Mansion to hear "New York Stories."
The night's proceeds benefited The Moth's outreach program, which works with high school students, youth programs and adults in rehabilitation.
"That's when the rush starts to build and people give you that feedback. The immediacy is a huge kick," he said.
Thau said an evening at The Moth, with its varied stories and settings, "will remind you that the world is vast and full of very different realities, and yet there's a common core."
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This could be one of the methods used to reach out to teenagers.? Now we need to find or write some short stories with anti-school and pro-liberty themes.? Unfortunately, I do not read or write fiction.? ?:-\
Help?? lol
There was recently something in the news that a New Hampshire school was forcing children to come in on Saturdays to make up for time lost during winter storms. They were also going to force community service work instead of holding classes. This is supposed to happen during two Saturdays in the next month or two.
For some reason I thought this was a Portsmouth school, but maybe not. I cannot find this news story anywhere. Does anyone remember reading about this in the past week?
If we could find where they're being forced to do community service work, this would be the PERFECT time and place for anti-school protests!!!
Here's a similar story. Apparently, it's going to be a statewide problem, and this probably happens quite often in New Hampshire because of winter storms. That's a lot of potential protesting AND press.
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End of school may be June 27
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/hampton/03252005/news/71919.htm
HAMPTON - After carefully counting to 180 days on his calendar a number of times, Superintendent James Gaylord has determined the last day of school for Hampton students could be almost a week later than the original Tuesday, June 21, date.
"The 180th day for students comes out to Monday, June 27," Gaylord explained to Hampton School Board members at their meeting on Monday. "And, the 188th day for teachers is Tuesday, June 28."
According to N.H. Department of Education requirements, there must be 180 scheduled days in the school year. As a result, taking into consideration days lost to bad weather and the town?s election activities, he recommended the students be required to attend classes until June 27.
"I?d like to dismiss students after lunch on that Monday," said Gaylord.
Other school boards in SAU 21 towns also have not yet determined the last day of school.
For the day to count with the state officials, School Board member Kenneth Stiles said, 50 percent of students must actually be in attendance. Stiles asked Gaylord if he thought enough students would show up on a Monday that late in June to meet the requirement.
Gaylord said he is confident students will attend. He said he was impressed last year when 95 percent of eighth-graders came to school after they?d officially graduated. That proved to Gaylord he could trust parents and their children to follow the rules and attend on June 27, even though it?s a Monday.
When board member John Bridle asked if Gaylord had considered adding a Saturday to the school year instead of keeping schools open so late, Gaylord said he had.
He also considered taking one day out of the upcoming April vacation week to get in the required 180 days of school.
However, he said, he still recommends going with June 27.
Members also discussed the possibility of adding a few minutes to the end of each day of school as a way of amassing extra hours to equal an additional day.
Gaylord wasn?t sure state education officials would consider that sufficient, since 180 days is specified and not a total number of hours. Nor was Gaylord sure adding time to each day was feasible, given the tight school bus schedule.
However, he agreed to run the suggestion by Department of Education officials before finally committing to June 27.
The School Board also elected officers for the coming year at Monday?s meeting and introduced newly elected board member Denyse Richter. Nancy Serpis retained her position as chairwoman, with Kenneth Stiles as vice chairman. Remaining board members are Sandra Nickerson and John Bridle.
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 09, 2005, 06:50 AM NHFT
Here's an idea for us:
Story Nights Attract New Yorkers Like Moths to Flame
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&ncid=572&e=1&u=/nm/20050405/lf_nm/arts_moth_dc
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This could be one of the methods used to reach out to teenagers. Now we need to find or write some short stories with anti-school and pro-liberty themes. Unfortunately, I do not read or write fiction. :-\
Help? lol
Sounds fun!
Quote from: katdillon on April 09, 2005, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 09, 2005, 06:50 AM NHFT
Here's an idea for us:
Story Nights Attract New Yorkers Like Moths to Flame
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=572&ncid=572&e=1&u=/nm/20050405/lf_nm/arts_moth_dc
------
This could be one of the methods used to reach out to teenagers.? Now we need to find or write some short stories with anti-school and pro-liberty themes.? Unfortunately, I do not read or write fiction.? ?:-\
Help?? lol
Sounds fun!?
Shorty spent his life as a story-teller. ;)
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 08, 2005, 11:28 PM NHFT
Kat and Russell, how did you make those professional looking signs on white cardboard?? Not the whiteboard ones with dry-erase markers - the other ones.? They looked like professionally printed signs, almost as good as the big LSF check that was over $100 to have professionally printed.
I drove around a bit today and could not find any of that type of board for a sign OR the letters that you put on the sign.
It's time to shake things up and I need a good sign.? ;)
Which signs where you impressed with?
One of the times we were in Hampton with you....we had really nice signs that Barbara Burbank had made for us......she has a sign business. 8)
Otherwise it is Kat, Kira and Dada with stensils on foamboard. We just bought a couple more for April 15th from Walmart for $2 each. :)
Odds and possibilities for abolishing the NH Dept of Education?
Seems like many people are already opposed to the state-wide Supreme Court Forced state-wide property tax for school. Would this disapear along with it, if that happened?
Tracy
I am not good with details....I just keep hammering away at the foundation >:D
<<Does everyone prefer to do this on the forum, rather
than the yahoo group? We can do both and see which
one is more useful. >>
Yes we should do it on the forum, i can never reliably watch a yahoo group for long. If it gets its own category we should, ideally, kill out an existing category so we don't have "category creep."
Here's a shorter sign idea Mike:
Escape
Jailschool
NHfree.com
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 09, 2005, 07:51 AM NHFT
There was recently something in the news that a New Hampshire school was forcing children to come in on Saturdays to make up for time lost during winter storms.? They were also going to force community service work instead of holding classes.? This is supposed to happen during two Saturdays in the next month or two.
For some reason I thought this was a Portsmouth school, but maybe not.? I cannot find this news story anywhere.? Does anyone remember reading about this in the past week?
If we could find where they're being forced to do community service work, this would be the PERFECT time and place for anti-school protests!!!
wow this would be a great opportunity for showing up and protesting "school slavery" if we can figure out where and when
Quote from: YeahItsMeJP on March 30, 2005, 10:41 PM NHFT
Well, let's make it a Saturday morning perhaps in Peterborough??
May I ask, does this meeting replace the breakfast in Wilton on Saturday mornings? Or is this once a month in addition to the weekly breakfasts?
Wilton is out Peterborough is in. :)
OK but will this be EVERY Saturday ???
I have sent Kat the photos from the TAX PROTEST, ready to post. We want to use one for our site and I'm trying to decide which.
I thought they all came out pretty well....
"Sparks fly from her fingertips..."
Quote from: russellkanning on April 09, 2005, 10:13 AM NHFT
Quote from: LeRuineur6 on April 08, 2005, 11:28 PM NHFT
Kat and Russell, how did you make those professional looking signs on white cardboard?? Not the whiteboard ones with dry-erase markers - the other ones.? They looked like professionally printed signs, almost as good as the big LSF check that was over $100 to have professionally printed.
I drove around a bit today and could not find any of that type of board for a sign OR the letters that you put on the sign.
It's time to shake things up and I need a good sign.? ;)
Which signs where you impressed with?
One of the times we were in Hampton with you....we had really nice signs that Barbara Burbank had made for us......she has a sign business. 8)
Otherwise it is Kat, Kira and Dada with stensils on foamboard. We just bought a couple more for April 15th from Walmart for $2 each. :)
Oh BTW Mike, Michaels (the arts and crafts store) has a good variety of stencil sizes and styls . . .
I don't think a weekly Peterborough breakfast is happening.
This coming Saturday we are having a breakfast meeting in PETERBOROUGH. I thought that was going to be every other week starting this Saturday, yes?
JP
A proposal for a Constitutional Amendment to the New Hampshire Constitution:
An education being the cornerstone of a Free Society, the separation of education and state shall not be infringed now, nor ever, for any reason. The General Court shall make no law touching educational freedom of choice; but rather they shall uphold and defend each individual's right to educate according to the dictates of his or her own values and conscience.
This is a draft of an amendment I was asked to write for our Saturday morning education meetings we've begun having in Peterboro at the Peterboro Diner.
JP
JP, I like the proposed amendment.
Alan
Quote from: YeahItsMeJP on April 16, 2005, 10:04 PM NHFT
This coming Saturday we are having a breakfast meeting in PETERBOROUGH. I thought that was going to be every other week starting this Saturday, yes?
JP
I put it on my calendar for the 23rd but have not heard if it's and every other week thing. If so let me know so I can help you publicize it.
Yea every other week is what we thought sounded about right. :)
Quote from: YeahItsMeJP on April 16, 2005, 10:38 PM NHFT
A proposal for a Constitutional Amendment to the New Hampshire Constitution:
An education being the cornerstone of a Free Society, the separation of education and state shall not be infringed now, nor ever, for any reason. [...]
Too late! >:(
http://www.schoolfunding.info/states/nh/lit_nh.php3
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/opinions/1998/claremt3.htm
"The legality of the education funding system in this State has been questioned for at least the past twenty-seven years, and the parties involved in the present action have been engaged in litigation for over seven years. The controlling legal principles are plain.
The command of Part II, Article 83 is that the State bears the duty to provide a constitutionally adequate education to every educable child in the State and to guarantee adequate funding.[...]
The constitutional rights of the children in this State to an adequate State-funded education and of all taxpaying citizens in New Hampshire to reasonable and proportional taxation are not to be denied any longer.
[...]
Now we look to the Governor and the legislature to put into effect a constitutional financing system so that together, in a bond of unity and amity, THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, see pt. II, art. I, may move forward to
constitutionally educate our children in the next millennium. "
Article 83 is important in your research for this draft. How does the phrase "cherish the interest of" equal "shall fund" in terms of the state's role in education? I don't think it does. There have been others before us who agree, and have tried to do this. There is much to be learned from their experiences.
Quote from: russellkanning on April 17, 2005, 07:22 AM NHFT
Yea every other week is what we thought sounded about right. :)
Danke Russell, I have it fixed...........
Rather than edit again...
JP, here are some more resources to peruse. You've probably heard of, if not pored over, these in preparation for your draft. ;) If not, they should be enlightening, at the very least.
Article 83
http://www.nh.gov/constitution/lit.html
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This is a favorite of mine, for obvious reasons:
A New Hampshire Education Timeline (.pdf file)
http://www.nhhistory.org/edu/support/nhlearnmore/nhedtimeline.pdf
Pay close attention to the "school acts" that took place in the 1600's and 1700's before the ratification of the NH Constitution. Gee, they were heavily influenced by Massachusetts, if not outright "obligated" by MA. Surprise! ::) I think more research should be done in this area regarding the separation of NH from MA, and the education acts. I believe the solution to our cause lay in these early times and acts, rather than more recent decisions by the NH Supreme Court. A finding based upon a lie... is that a truth? Is that a fact? No, but it is considered "fact" by the courts.
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2004/HCR0025.html
" Whereas, the scope of part 2, article 83 is not limited to cherishing the interest of public schools alone, but expressly encompasses as well cherishing the interest of literature, the sciences, and all seminaries; and further expressly states there to be a duty to "encourage," "countenance" and "inculcate" many other pursuits and virtues as well; and
Whereas, by its very terms, and in accordance with its original understanding, part 2, article 83 applies equally to the many matters therein enumerated, and the historical record is clear that it was left to the legislative branch to decide which of these matters, if any, would be funded from the public purse and, consistent with the fundamental principle of the separation of powers, these legislative decisions were not subjected to judicial review; and"
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The Blaine Amendment-
The Constitutionality of School Choice in New Hampshire (.pdf file)
http://www.jbartlett.org/pdf/constitutionality05404.pdf
Putting together a bunch of information:
http://www.soulawakenings.com/underground/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Compulsory+Schooling
for educational campaign to end compulsory schooling.
Who is planning on being at the meeting tomorrow?
Made a short URL for directing people to the school info:
http://school.soulawakenings.com
Wondering if we could do school.nhfree.com or school.nhunderground.com?
Quote from: katdillon on April 22, 2005, 10:46 AM NHFT
Made a short URL for directing people to the school info:
http://school.soulawakenings.com
Wondering if we could do school.nhfree.com or school.nhunderground.com?
Good job on what you have done so far, Kat.
This issue "OBE Skinnerian International Curriculum?" inflames me the most and I can feel my BP rising just reading the title! (And it takes a lot to get MY bp rising). The whole purpose of that OBE system is to make little socialists out of our kids, and THAT I know for a fact. I fought it for years.
<sigh>
Oh, I told my mother about your school experiences with UN pledge...I guess her preacher talked about it in his sermon last week. This is her church:
http://newswatchmagazine.org/
(And you thought I was radical!)
Quote from: katdillon on April 22, 2005, 11:27 AM NHFT
Oh, I told my mother about your school experiences with UN pledge...I guess her preacher talked about it in his sermon last week.? This is her church:
http://newswatchmagazine.org/
(And you thought I was radical!)
Um well, I am very familiar with this program as I used to listen to it on SHORTWAVE. :-) So there ya go!
And YOU thought I was some Bedford Soccer Mom! Just kidding! ;-)
Now every time I drive through Bedford....I think "schoolies"
Quote from: russellkanning on April 22, 2005, 12:49 PM NHFT
Now every time I drive through Bedford....I think "schoolies"
Yes.
Definition of Schoolies; 'Fish swimming in the same direction' or, perhaps a better nickname would be Lemmings; 'Blind entities all going in the same direction at a high rate of speed over the nearest cliff'...
"I'm just like you I know, you know, I'm just like you so leave me alone..." -- Eisley, "Telescope Eyes"
It's probably a good time for my to repost this article
Towards a more anarchistic school system
http://www.geocities.com/tracysaboe/sepschool.html
Tracy
Cool. I linked to in on the school wiki page.
Thanks
See you at the Peterborough Diner :)
Here are some ideas on the school issue. I like the idea of getting involved with high school debate teams to get them talking about libertarian ideas.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/walker8.html
What Is To Be Done?
Burning Questions for our Movement
by Bill Walker
"While the State exists there can be no freedom; when there is freedom there will be no State."
Socialism is intellectually dead. However, it remains in power everywhere. Why? Because libertarians, who claim to be for the market, try to oppose Socialism with socialist theory and practices. Without the Internet Protocol, there can be no Internet; without a revolutionary theory there cannot be a revolutionary movement. Libertarian memes can only win by libertarian means.
Libertarians have put too much of their efforts into the empty forms of democracy, forgetting that Democracy is indispensable to socialism. We have blown our limited money on wasted third-party efforts and even-more-wasted attempts to "influence" major-party politicians by helping them into power over us. Socialists, on the other hand, have used the market effectively at every step.
Even at the lowest levels of local government, Socialists set up self-replicating and self-generating systems. They campaign for "economic development" sales taxes. When the tax passes, they take the money and use it to subsidize their "capitalist" supporters. Then the supporters give them more money for future campaigns.
The same principle is applied all the way up the parasitic food chain. Those who control HUD profit from their knowledge of future government real estate purchases. Those who control the military profit from arms contracts and from market swings caused by military operations. Those who control the Federal Reserve have foreknowledge of interest rates? but considering that the Fed is never audited, this sort of indirect profiteering may be superfluous. In any case, socialists today are never at a loss for funds.
Capitalists are no more capable of self-sacrifice than a man is capable of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps. The same is true of any group in the long term; those who sacrifice their own resources to subsidize others without recompense will eventually be displaced by those who build self-financing organizations.
While libertarians may win an occasional ballot initiative against a specific tax or regulation, they weaken themselves with each direct battle. Libertarians are using up their own privately produced resources in each election, while the pro-government side is using? other people?s privately produced resources. When the libertarians win, they strengthen the whole economy, including the tax-supported part. When politicians win, they weaken the whole economy but strengthen their faction relative to everyone else.
So engaging in conventional party politics is self-destructive for libertarians (at least until the libertarian memes are so dominant that mainstream political candidates are forced to adopt not only libertarian rhetoric, but action as well). Libertarian strategy cannot be based on capturing political office and rewarding supporters with the loot; to win the zero-sum game of politics would require that the libertarians loot more than their opponents.
Instead, libertarians must engage in asymmetrical meme warfare. Spreading memes in the age of the Internet is easy, but the noise problem is severe. Our enemies? meme motto is: A lie told often enough becomes the truth. This is only true if the lies are kept isolated from the truths that would destroy them. But the lies are kept safely isolated indeed. America?s public schools serve as the walls between Socialism-inoculated minds and libertarian memes.
Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
Of course Socialists have a lot more than four years to sow their seeds in the minds of public-schooled American children; they have a minimum of 13. These years are spent in two ways; first, crippling the ability to learn and take individual action. This is accomplished through ?Look-Say? anti-reading training, various schemes of anti-math training, avoidance of intensive language courses, and fanatic opposition to any other techniques that might transfer actual skills or knowledge of any kind.
Second, as much as is possible today, schools implant the bitter-ender remains of the Socialist memes. While Socialism can no longer claim to be the bright hope of the future, it now claims the primitive past as the moral ideal. "Green" ideology is taught in every public school; its message is that humans are evil, our works are evil, and that only government control can restrain them from destroying the fragile living world (which otherwise would continue forever in perfect harmony). Asteroids, Ice Ages, supernovae, and the other natural destroyers of life are not prominently featured in today?s curricula.
Public-school mental deconditioning is our main enemy, not the quality or quantity of opposing memes. But it is also a tactical opportunity.
America?s public schools are filled with intelligent students who are bored out of their minds. They are sick of Green death-worship, sick of staring at chalkboards in the age of the Internet, and sick of being ?taught? by dull education majors. This is the demographic where libertarian memes can spread cost-effectively. The only limitation is the required patience; an investment in high school students will take ten years to pay off. It?s well worth it.
When should we try to first inject the libertarian memes? When the student is in college, struggling to overcome his terrible lack of math and science knowledge, probably working at the same time? Or should we wait until she has a job, and is trying to work and start a family? Maybe we should emulate the Cato Institute, and only talk to 50-year-old incumbents, hoping to get them to repudiate an entire life spent looting the public?
No. If libertarians are to win the Meme War, the time to start fighting is at the beginning. If libertarian think tanks and activist groups hope to compete against the subsidized legions of socialism, we have to stop talking to ourselves.
And we have to stop talking to people who are already too ossified to change. We have to aim at the long-term goal, of reaching the very young.
There are a few cost-effective programs already in place. The National Center for Policy Analysis maintains a webbed database for high school debate teams, updated each year for the major debate contests. This site reaches thousands of intelligent, viciously competitive protolawyers and protobusinessmen every year.
Other web sites should be constructed to spread market-oriented environmental solutions, together with info on nuclear power, genetic engineering, and just plain economics, aimed at the high-school level. The Foundation for Economic Education has recently webbed Hazlitt?s Economics in One Lesson; a good start, but not updated or optimized for students. This is a gap that should be filled. Economics memes will spread themselves; people are interested in money!
It is a huge failure of the libertarian movement that we have not made more use of the space-colonization meme. The Soviets captured the imagination of youth all over the world with Sputnik, Vostok, and their other space spectaculars. For them it was all a lie; socialist economies can?t even maintain themselves on Earth without foreign aid. But free markets and private property really can spread life to other worlds; this is the proper antidote to the "Deep-Green" death-to-humans meme.
And even in the age of DSL lines, there is something to be said for just going into the educational gulags and talking to the zeks. As an unpolished and unprepossessing Libertarian candidate a few years ago, I spoke to many high school government classes and a few assemblies. The reaction was always very enthusiastic; I was the most interesting thing the students (and teachers) had seen in school for months. A professional PowerPoint or video-augmented presentation given by a well-dressed think-tank employee would be very effective.
I am sure that other people have better ideas along these lines. Anyone who does, please feel free to email me. On to victory, comrades! ~ V. I. Walker
April 26, 2005
Bill Walker [send him mail] works as a Research Associate in telomere biology at an undisclosed (thanks to legal threats from his tax-financed employer) location.
Is this our Bill Walker? Its a common name.
He's in the FSP, but the TX Bill Walker, not the Kate-n-Bill, VA Bill Walker.
Gotcha, The article inspired me to email Varrin about building that sign thingy on his house before school lets out for the summer.
;D
Here's the compulsory attendance law, FYI.
RSA 193:1
TITLE XV
EDUCATION
CHAPTER 193
PUPILS
School Attendance
Section 193:1
193:1 Duty of Parent; Compulsory Attendance by Pupil. ?
I. A parent of any child at least 6 years of age and under 16 years of age shall cause such child to attend the public school to which the child is assigned in the child's resident district. Such child shall attend full time when such school is in session unless:
(a) The child is attending a public school outside the district to which the child is assigned or an approved private school for the same time;
(b) The child is receiving home education; or
(c) The relevant school district superintendent has excused a child from attendance because the child is physically or mentally unable to attend school, or has been temporarily excused upon the request of the parent for purposes agreed upon by the school authorities and the parent. Such excused absences shall not be permitted if they cause a serious adverse effect upon the student's educational progress. Students excused for such temporary absences may be claimed as full-time pupils for purposes of calculating state aid under RSA 186-C:18 and adequate education grants under RSA 198:41.
II. A child who reaches the sixth birthday after September 30 shall not be required to attend school under the provisions of this section until the following school year.
III. In this section, "parent" means a parent, guardian, or person having legal custody of a child.
IV. Any child at least 16 years of age and under 18 years of age who wishes to terminate such child's public or nonpublic education prior to graduating from high school shall do so only after a conference with the principal, or designee. The principal shall request a conference with the parent, guardian, or other custodian. Written approval of withdrawal must be received from such child's parent, guardian, or other person residing in the state and having custody or charge of such child. The written approval shall be dated and the signature witnessed by the principal of the school where the child is in attendance, or the principal's designee.
Source. 1903, 13:1. 1911, 139:1. 1917, 52:1. 1919, 84:1. 1921, 85, III:1. PL 118:1. RL 137:1. 1949, 92:1. 1953, 223:1. RSA 193:1. 1985, 47:1. 1990, 279:1. 1994, 121:1, eff. Jan. 1, 1995. 1996, 157:1, eff. May 31, 1996. 1997, 183:1, eff. Jan. 1, 1998. 1999, 17:42, eff. April 29, 1999; 39:1, eff. July 10, 1999.
I think I was mentally unable to attend school.
I think you're mentally lacking that slave gene. Tsk tsk.
For the children-Repeal RSA 193:1
Russell is suggesting that we meet weekly to talk about sep school state. Is there a time/day that works best for people?
Is somebody going to take minutes and post them here? or in the yahoo-group?
Tracy
I'm having fun in a discussion on the Merrimack board on this topic, as it relates to building moratoriums: http://www.merrimackforum.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2006
Quote from: Jim C. Perry on March 29, 2005, 10:36 PM NHFT
"I proclaim publicly that I favor ending government involvement in education."
Click here: https://honestedu.org/page1.php to add your name to the above proclamation!
NH is #3 in # of signatures/million. Maybe we can make it #1 in 2006 :)
With just 100 more signatures, New Hampshire can be the top ranked state in terms of #of signers/million for the Separation of School and State Proclamation. If you haven't signed, please do! If you signed in another state, you can update your information with your new state. The proclamation states simply, "I proclaim publicly that I favor ending government involvement in education."
https://honestedu.org/page1.php
Quote from: katdillon on January 12, 2006, 10:46 AM NHFT
With just 100 more signatures, New Hampshire can be the top ranked state in terms of #of signers/million for the Separation of School and State Proclamation.? If you haven't signed, please do!? If you signed in another state, you can update your information with your new state.? The proclamation states simply, "I proclaim publicly that I favor ending government involvement in education."
https://honestedu.org/page1.php
Well hit me one for Karma because I signed up long ago! ;D
I went to sign up. The site looked familiar, like I might have signed up before. I filled out the form and it did not admonish me for any previous signups, if I did.
That # would be fun to throw around at school board meetings ....... did you know that 10,000 in NH want to separate school from state? :)
The way I look at it, any parent that loves their child should sign it.
Quote from: russellkanning on January 12, 2006, 03:05 PM NHFT
That # would be fun to throw around at school board meetings ....... did you know that 10,000 in NH want to separate school from state? :)
What's REALLY fun is telling people this is my stand on things about education especially after spending 35 years in the public school system, as a TEACHER! :o
Quote from: CNHT on January 12, 2006, 11:12 PM NHFT
Quote from: russellkanning on January 12, 2006, 03:05 PM NHFT
That # would be fun to throw around at school board meetings ....... did you know that 10,000 in NH want to separate school from state? :)
What's REALLY fun is telling people this is my stand on things about education especially after spending 35 years in the public school system, as a TEACHER! :o
So you made your living for 35 years by stealing tax money and making kids stupid?
Quote from: AlanM on January 12, 2006, 09:53 PM NHFT
The way I look at it, any parent that loves their child should sign it.
The way I look at it....I don't want to be associated with the other people who have already signed it....so I will just homeschool my kids.
I bet there are assholes who sign it and send there kids to public school.
Quote from: dead president on January 13, 2006, 09:08 AM NHFT
So you made your living for 35 years by stealing tax money and making kids stupid?
When you are putting in long hours, such as working from 7 AM to 7 PM most days, that is not stealing. It was very hard to function under the UN-directed schools but I think I made a difference in that I was always looking out for the parents' rights. Teachers had no say in anything they did, so I had to undertake my own agenda of educating the kids the way I knew it should be done meanwhile getting a lot of flack for it to the point of a breakdown. It's not an easy job to cater to 25 children at once, not a very practical system in the first place.
And judging from how the parents and students liked me, I don't think as a well-rounded person (musician, artist, and person who scored 100% on the writing proficiency test) I was in any way 'making them stupid'. That is the mistake you lefties make when you blame the individuals as a whole, who are working in the system because those poor people have no say in what they are told to do.
There is a campaign underfoot to get the older teachers out because they are less easily brainwashed and the younger ones don't know anything about how to teach. They can become the political pawns of the system as well. I refused to do that and was severely punished for it.
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The way I look at it....I don't want to be associated with the other people who have already signed it....so I will just homeschool my kids.
I bet there are assholes who sign it and send there kids to public school.
I have never sent any children to public schools and I did teach my students the proper use of the words 'their' and 'there'....? ?::)
In fact, I don't know if I want to be associated with people who don't know the difference.
Jane, the ignore button works beautifully :)
Quote from: katdillon on January 13, 2006, 10:54 AM NHFT
Jane, the ignore button works beautifully :)
Yeah, thanks Kat.
:-*
I won't even date a man who can't spell. LOL
Will you whack my knuckles with a ruler if I make any typos?
Quote from: mvpel on May 25, 2005, 04:30 PM NHFT
I'm having fun in a discussion on the Merrimack board on this topic, as it relates to building moratoriums:? http://www.merrimackforum.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2006
Merrimack Cares will be on the show on the 26th! I just arranged it. Merrimack is a hell-hole after what Coleman and Rung did to it 10 years ago.
Now with this extravagant website deal, they ought to be descended upon by the peasants with pitchforks.
Quote from: katdillon on January 13, 2006, 11:03 AM NHFT
Will you whack my knuckles with a ruler if I make any typos?
No, but I will gently correct you, until you COMPLY!!! LOL
Quote often heard by me:
"We're going to do it over and over again until we get it right..."
>:D
Yes ma'am.
One more signature from NH and our state will have moved up to second place ;D
https://honestedu.org/page1.php
Quote from: katdillon on January 24, 2006, 03:36 PM NHFT
One more signature from NH and our state will have moved up to second place ;D
https://honestedu.org/page1.php
I will update our address in there next month after our move.
Interesting read: Origins of the Educational Nightmare
http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson21.html
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=4272
Teacher Tapes Student?s Mouth