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Title: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 04:50 PM NHFT
The mobile home park we rent space from will "proceed with legal action" if we continue to not pay Keene property taxes.

We have been wanting to leave this particular location for a while now (partly because our landlords are not decent people). But we will have to speed up the process in order to not butt heads with them.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: error on April 05, 2007, 07:37 PM NHFT
What do they care if you aren't paying property taxes?
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: dawn on April 05, 2007, 08:25 PM NHFT
This is new to the market in Westmoreland - could be interesting. Although, not paying taxes in Westmoreland will lead to trouble with the property tax man no matter where you live.

Westmoreland NH   $95,000.00

MLS #:   2646386
Bedrooms:   3
Style:   Bungalow
Baths:   2
Sq Feet:   960
   3 Rustic cabins in need of TLC on 11 acres of gently sloping land. Cabins had water via dug well, electricity, and baths with showers, living/kitchen and 1 bedroom each. 320sqft each. Was previously used as a family getaway and could be restored to such with a little work. Borders on Rails to Trails ROW allowing access for snowmobiling biking!
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: NC2NH on April 05, 2007, 08:34 PM NHFT
our landlords are

butt heads
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 09:37 PM NHFT
Although, not paying taxes in Westmoreland will lead to trouble with the property tax man no matter where you live.
You're right .... although in this case we have a complication .... we don't want to fight the landlord .... only the city. Somewhere else we would just stay put.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 09:40 PM NHFT
MLS #:   2646386
that could be a great place for us or someone else
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: FTL_Ian on April 05, 2007, 10:11 PM NHFT
What's your timetable on moving?

Which of the two taxes aren't you paying?  As I understood it, the park pays the property tax on the land and you're supposed to pay the tax on the trailer, correct? 
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 10:46 PM NHFT
we are paying neither
If I was paying the property tax on the land we would be pushing them off the land. :)

Immediately :)
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 05, 2007, 10:47 PM NHFT
We have to decide whether to drag this box to another location or sell it. If we sell it, then we will have to pay the taxes which is distasteful.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: powerchuter on April 06, 2007, 12:44 AM NHFT
how much is the box worth?

maybe we could all chip in and buy it from you and have a "box burning" along with a few flags...
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 06, 2007, 02:07 AM NHFT
no reason to burn our box .... it can be useful to us or someone else

Kat bought this house for $20,000 and we could probably sell it for similar.

One of the questions to answer ... is it worth moving?
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: error on April 06, 2007, 02:24 AM NHFT
I suppose you could move it out of Keene and then sell it. Or sell it to someone out of Keene and deliver it. Or...
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: KBCraig on April 06, 2007, 03:01 AM NHFT
I suppose you could move it out of Keene and then sell it. Or sell it to someone out of Keene and deliver it. Or...

A mobile home is a titled item. The tax man will attach a lien to the title, no matter where it is moved or sold. Transferring title will require satisfying the lien. Selling without transferring title means finding a buyer willing to pay for something knowing its seizure is pending.

It's a difficult position. By design.


we are paying neither

Can you explain? I know you're not paying the school portion of property tax on the mobile home (or did you change to not paying any of it?) But how are you not paying property tax on the lot rental? Everyone who rents real property pays the property taxes on the property, just as everyone who buys from Wal Mart pays a share of all the taxes paid by Wal Mart. Not writing the check yourself doesn't mean you're not paying it.


Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on April 06, 2007, 07:54 AM NHFT
The older ones don't put up with moving well, but, I doubt if anything happens that can't be fixed.  It's a matter of whether the value of keeping it justifies the cost of moving it and then repairing it.
They might have a means of stopping you from moving it out of Keene if they know about it and the Park people will tell them.  The last thing the Park people want is to have it moved.  You might be able to get some consideration out of them for not moving it.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 06, 2007, 09:02 AM NHFT
Probably the easiest thing for us to do is sell our place and find another place to live.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 06, 2007, 09:05 AM NHFT
we are paying neither

Can you explain?
I was joking with error. Of course I am not writing out checks to pay for the property tax on the land .... otherwise I would own it and wouldn't have this other party trying to oust me.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: KBCraig on April 06, 2007, 01:13 PM NHFT
Ah, okay. I was worried that maybe you'd done something like withholding part of the lot rental to keep from paying that portion of taxes. That would be a poor way to get along with the landlord, although it sounds like he's not exactly on your side anyway.

Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Russell Kanning on April 06, 2007, 04:17 PM NHFT
Kat is leaning the direction of selling our place here and looking for a largish porcupine house nearby that we can share with others.
Anybody want to buy our place and/or know of large places for us to lease around this corner of NH?
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: FTL_Ian on April 06, 2007, 09:03 PM NHFT
Kat is leaning the direction of selling our place here and looking for a largish porcupine house nearby that we can share with others.
Anybody want to buy our place and/or know of large places for us to lease around this corner of NH?

House across the street is for sale...
http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=12739.0
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on April 06, 2007, 09:08 PM NHFT
I could swear I've seen that house up around School St.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: FTL_Ian on April 06, 2007, 09:18 PM NHFT
Yep, not far from there at all.  4/1.5  It's empty; make an offer!
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on April 06, 2007, 09:23 PM NHFT
I'll pass.  If someone gets something bigger, I'd love to rent a room.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Kat Kanning on April 26, 2007, 01:13 PM NHFT
I'm ashamed to say that I paid the property tax so that we can sell this place.  The owner of the land we rent demanded it.  Since I believe that they have the right to say what happens on their property, we couldn't just hold out here, so we're seeking to move.  :sad1:
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Pat K on April 26, 2007, 02:57 PM NHFT
Nothing to be ashamed of, it is their property. Ya gotta do what ya gotta
do.

I like your house and area, but I am sure were ever ya go will be
great.  ;D
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: money dollars on April 26, 2007, 04:15 PM NHFT
I'm ashamed to say that I paid the property tax so that we can sell this place.
How much extra did you end up paying for interest?

is it 12%?
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: Kat Kanning on April 26, 2007, 07:52 PM NHFT
I don't remember.  It only amounted to a couple hundred dollars.
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: David on April 26, 2007, 09:26 PM NHFT
A while back when you (or Russel) told me you lived on private property, I thought it was a great idea because it would mean the gov't trampling on their property rights to get to you.  I forgot the pressure the gov't can put on business'.  They roll over so quickly.
And you do not have anything to be ashamed of.  Taxes are wrong because they are theft.  You paying the extortionists' was not immoral on your part, it was protection to prevent two homeless ladies.  It is unfortunate that you were forced to make the decision, but not your fault. 
I hope the keene gov't parasites are happy they nearly caused a potential eviction so they could get their precious money.   >:(
Title: Re: Trouble with the property tax man and his henchmen in Keene
Post by: TackleTheWorld on April 27, 2007, 01:04 AM NHFT
I'm ashamed to say that I paid the property tax so that we can sell this place.  :sad1:

Dang,  poop, and other expressions of sympathy and disappointment.