A thought came apon me in the shower, as they often do, would anyone be interested in setting up a 'government official' database, or does one already exist?
Often times I wonder who these people really are and what other interactions they may have had with the public in the past.
The purpose of the database(and these are my current thoughts) would be similar to the database kept by the Alphabet Soup gang(FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, etc) on us, only we would outline information that We the People have interactions with these people. Entering of various incidents and encounters, perhaps transcripts of legal proceedings, media links, news reports, etc.
I think that that Wiki would be great for this task.
What do ya think? Sorry, for being off topic. By the way, I want one of those kick ass "Free Russell Kanning" t-shirts, how much and contact info?
This Message brought you in part by....the United States Constitution, and by....Your Founding Fathers, remember "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Quote from: cyberdoo78 on April 16, 2007, 05:55 AM NHFT
A thought came apon me in the shower, as they often do, would anyone be interested in setting up a 'government official' database, or does one already exist?
Often times I wonder who these people really are and what other interactions they may have had with the public in the past.
The purpose of the database(and these are my current thoughts) would be similar to the database kept by the Alphabet Soup gang(FBI, CIA, NSA, ATF, etc) on us, only we would outline information that We the People have interactions with these people. Entering of various incidents and encounters, perhaps transcripts of legal proceedings, media links, news reports, etc.
I think that that Wiki would be great for this task.
What do ya think? Sorry, for being off topic. By the way, I want one of those kick ass "Free Russell Kanning" t-shirts, how much and contact info?
This Message brought you in part by....the United States Constitution, and by....Your Founding Fathers, remember "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
I like this idea. Make a list with as much information about the pigs and bureaucrats as can be found. Let them know they are on the list and that the possibility exists that they may someday be held personally responsible for their actions.
Indeed. They have a registry of sex offenders, why not a registry of government bureaucrats? They're far, far more dangerous to your children -- not to mention the rest of us.
I like it, very much. ;D
Let's keep track of their crimes. Might help remind them not to listen to the talking heads. Advocating oppression is not illegal, but acting it out, is. Those who lobby for it do so, knowing they cannot be brought to justice. It would be good to reming the perpetrators that they are the ones whose necks are on the line, and their masters will sit idly by as they swing in the wind...
Joe
I have a wiki. Start putting bureaucrats in it. >:D
Quote from: error on April 16, 2007, 01:40 PM NHFT
I have a wiki. Start putting bureaucrats in it. >:D
I have some info to get started:
http://www.ci.concord.nh.us/SITEMGR/concordv2.asp?siteindx=L05,10
concord politicians
http://www.opensecrets.org/newdatabases.asp
database of spending/traveling info for politicians
http://www.vote-smart.org/search_zipcode.php?zip=03103-7241
info on your pols
http://www.vote-smart.org/official_state.php
biographical info - state
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us
good info
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/ie/rollcall/houserollcallsearch.asp?sessionyear=2007
Roll Call - how your rulers voted
http://www.nhpolice.com/CommitteeMembers.htm
committee members of NHPoliceAssociation
http://www.nhpolice.com/board.htm
board members NHPA
http://www.manchesternh.gov/Forms/MPDCitizenSurvey.asp
online survery for MANCH PD
http://www.manchesternh.gov/citygov/clk/boards.html
boards and commisions for MANCH (LOTS of ppl)
http://www.manchesternh.gov/CityGov/CLK/Mayor/Aldermen.html
manch aldermen
http://www.manchesternh.gov/CityGov/CityDept.html
manch city departments
http://www.mansd.org/main/schoolboard1.htm
manch school board
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/supreme/justices.htm
nh justices supreme
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/superior/justicesmarital.htm
superior court
http://www.courts.state.nh.us/courtlocations/index.htm#district
superior courts by county- links to probate and district courts
This will help us identify them and ostracize them. :icon_pirat:
How do we go about putting info in the database?
Some more -
http://www.bedfordnh.org/index.asp?subnav=13&pg=dept/taxcollector/tax_index.asp
bedford tax collector and staff
http://co.cheshire.nh.us/hoc/staff.htm
cheshire co. DOC
http://www.hillsboroughcountydoc.org/security/security.htm
hillsborough co. DOC command staff
http://www.rockso.org/
rockingham co. sheriff's office
http://co.rockingham.nh.us/
rockingham co. info for different offices
http://co.strafford.nh.us/jail/community_corrections.html
strafford co. community corrections
http://www.sullivancountynh.gov/corrections/Superintendent.htm
sullivan co. superintendent
http://www.sullivancountynh.gov/corrections/Operations.htm
sullivan co. director of ops
http://www.doj.nh.gov/bio.html
bio of attorney general
http://www.nh.gov/nh911/911admin.html
bureau of emergency communications - contact list
http://www.metrocast.net/~altonpd/Personnel/Staff.htm
alton police dept. (click on picture for bio's and message)
http://www.amherstpolice.com/
Ameherst PD - (assignments, badge #s, years of service)
http://www.claremontnh.com/government-information/mayor-city-council.asp
claremnont city council
http://www.conwaypd.com/roster.html
conway pd roster
http://www.derrynhpolice.com/department_roster.htm
derry pd roster
http://www.ci.dover.nh.us/info/council.htm
dover city council - pics, addresses, phone #s, email
http://www.ci.dover.nh.us/info/municipal.htm
links to dover city depts.
http://www.exeterpolice.org/investig.htm
exeter pd - staff
http://www.exeterpolice.org/uniform.htm
exeter pd - patrol
http://www.exeterpolice.org/support.htm
exeter pd - support
http://www.exeterpolice.org/prosecut.htm
exeter pd - prosecution
http://www.fitzwilliampolice.org/Rollcall.html
fitzwilliam pf - roll call
Excellent... ;D
Joe
more:
http://www.gilmantonnh.org/police_department.htm
gilmanton pd - staff
http://www.town.hampton.nh.us/assessing/
hampton assessor (PUBLIC ACCESS DATABASE)
http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/hampton/town/officers.htm
hampton boards and committees
http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us:591/vitalrecords/FMPro?-db=marriages_.fp3&-format=searchbasic.htm&-findall
hampton marriage records database
http://www.hanovernh.org/police
hanover pd
http://www.hillsboropd.com/Hillsboro%20PD%20Email.htm
hillsboro pd and email
http://www.hollis.nh.us/police/officers.htm#Office%20James%20Sartell
hollis pd - roster, pics, bios
http://www.hudsonpd.com/personal.html
hudson pd - personnel
http://www.hudsonpd.com/patrol-services.html#patrols
hudson pd - patrol services
http://town.jaffrey.nh.us/PoliceDepartment/police.htm
jaffrey pd - roll call - pics, bios, badge #s, email
http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/police/rosters.htm
keene pd - roster, voicemail, email
http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/police/administration.htm
administrative services division - (personnel listed at bottom of page)
http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/police/fod.htm
field ops division (personnel listed at bottom of page)
http://www.laconiapd.org/contacts.html
laconia pd - email, some voicemail
http://www.lebcity.com/City_Resources/police/roster.htm
lebanon pd - roll call, email (separate divisions at right side of page)
http://www.littletonpd.org/Divisions.htm
littleton pd - links to personnel
http://www.merrimackpd.org/personnel/personnel.html
merrimack pd - personnel (bios, pics, email)
http://www.moultonboroughpd.com/roster.htm
moultonborough pd - roster - badge #, bios
http://www.nashuapd.com/?A=PC
nashua pd commissioners
http://www.nashuapd.com/AR/ANNUAL_REPORT_2006.pdf
nashua pd annual report
http://www.newburypd.org/
newbury pd - roll call midway down page
http://www.pelhampolice.com/email.htm
pelham pd - roster, email
http://rindgenh.virtualtownhall.net/Public_Documents/RindgeNH_Government/deptindex
rindge municipal depts. - links to boards & commissions
http://www.rochesterpd.org/profiles-all.htm
rochester pd - staff profiles (pics, bios etc...)
http://www.seabrookpd.com/code/template.ghc?direct=roster
seabrook pd - roster (some pics)
http://www.swanzeypd.com/personnel.html
swanzey pd - personnel (pics, bios, call #)
http://home.webryders.net/surry/police.html
surry pd (only 2 officers)
Ok, so I just barely scratched the surface. And I wonder how long 'til someone gets upset and takes the info off the sites.
One thing about Hampton having their assessor's database online - privacy rights may come in to play here, but technically all that stuff is 'public record' so don't feel guilty about typing in the commissioners' names and finding out how many houses they own, what their assessed value is, addresses, etc... or if you see a cop car parked outside, you'd be able to tell who owned the house, et al.
This post is not made with the intention of creating undue paranoia but you should be very cautious about making a list of any sort...regarding public officials...of any stripe...
The jack-booted child snatchers/molesters will do anything and everything in their capability to turn anyone with such a "list" into a "criminal" of some sort...or terrorist...or extremist...or uni-bomber...
I think the "random acts of cleansing" that John Ross and Matthew Bracken wrote about would be much more effective...
After all...
Loose lips sink ships...
All the links I've provided are public knowledge. Most of those websites are town or county websites. The opensecrets.org site has a LOT of useful info, more geared toward national politics, but of course NH is represented as well.
Quote from: Quantrill on April 16, 2007, 11:20 PM NHFT
All the links I've provided are public knowledge. Most of those websites are town or county websites. The opensecrets.org site has a LOT of useful info, more geared toward national politics, but of course NH is represented as well.
The thugs don't care what is "public knowledge" and what is not...
Instructions for assembling many "useful" devices and compounds are readily available in print and online, but the thugs will demonize you for having them or even having looked at them...
Especially after having viewed other "public" information such as the lists of "public" officials...
Welcome to the Matrix!
Quote from: Quantrill on April 16, 2007, 11:20 PM NHFT
All the links I've provided are public knowledge. Most of those websites are town or county websites. The opensecrets.org site has a LOT of useful info, more geared toward national politics, but of course NH is represented as well.
Nice website, thanks Quantrill! :)
Maybe, you can put a little star next to the names of the not-so-bad bureaucrats.
Quote from: Rebel on April 17, 2007, 01:05 PM NHFT
Maybe, you can put a little star next to the names of the not-so-bad bureaucrats.
and, perhaps a little tar-pot and a chicken for those not-so-good ones...
ps-just make sure your stars, pots, and birds don't look like bullseyes...lol.
Quote from: powerchuter on April 16, 2007, 09:33 PM NHFT
This post is not made with the intention of creating undue paranoia but you should be very cautious about making a list of any sort...regarding public officials...of any stripe...
The jack-booted child snatchers/molesters will do anything and everything in their capability to turn anyone with such a "list" into a "criminal" of some sort...or terrorist...or extremist...or uni-bomber...
I think the "random acts of cleansing" that John Ross and Matthew Bracken wrote about would be much more effective...
After all...
Loose lips sink ships...
Ah, see this is where the Linux geek in me comes out... if it were an open sourced list/database in which anyone could contribute to there would be no one source to go after.
Lil Dog, can you hook that up?
I know nothing about computers. There's quite a bit more info I (anyone) can find online, and it would be nice to condense things into a database like you mentioned. Error suggested using the wiki. What do you guys think? And how does someone like myself who is computer-dumb, go about doing that?
I understand the Big Brother arguments. But I don't think they go after people who utilize Sunshine Laws or the Freedom of Information Act. If so, they'd go after opensecrets.org As long as there is nothing slanderous in there I see no reason to refrain from going ahead with this idea. And one where anyone could contribute would be the best option. I'm sure as hell not gonna put in info for every politician in the state. I'll take Manchester for starters...
Good to see this idea moving forward. My thinking would be you're better off focusing on bureaucrats than politicians. You could end up just increasing the visibility and name recognition of a politician, and politicians can benefit from that.
I suspect bureaucrats, unlike politicians and businesses, don't benefit that much from it
Quote from: Quantrill on April 17, 2007, 05:44 PM NHFT
Lil Dog, can you hook that up?
I can help but it may be more work then one person can handle. If someone wants to grab the reigns I'll climb on the wagon.
Quote from: Quantrill on April 17, 2007, 05:44 PM NHFTError suggested using the wiki. What do you guys think?
The only reason I've be against wiki is because there is no control at all. What I've found on that site is whoever wants to spend the most time monitoring a page wins out as to what the page says. And if you create a page making a politician look bad by posting (Gasp!) facts about them, there supporters once catching wind of such a page will spend day and night making sure anything putting them in a bad light is edited or removed.
You almost need a website were people would be able to check information in and once in it would not be editable. Of course it would also need an admin to make sure if anything turns out to be false information is removed because you wouldn't want it to lose credibility by having people posting email conversations they claim to have had with a politician and it turns out they created mocked up information.
hmmmm, now you've got me thinking. What would be the best way for something like this to work?
MediaWiki provides various page protection features to prevent vandalism by bureaucrats and their supporters and other violence-loving individuals.
Regardless of whether it's on a wiki or not, I think a site should be dedicated to it.
QuoteMy thinking would be you're better off focusing on bureaucrats than politicians. You could end up just increasing the visibility and name recognition of a politician, and politicians can benefit from that.
The way I envision it set up is anyone who is a public official or works for the city/county/state would be listed. As much info as possible would be listed, but strictly facts. No opinion. Anytime a politician says something contradictory, that info would be made available. Anytime a lobbyist takes a Rep. out for lunch, that info would be listed. SSNs, addresses, phone numbers, vacation homes, criminal records, back taxes not paid, businesses owned, assessed value of properties, pictures, fundraisers, newspaper articles, favorite hangouts, automobile make/model/license plate # etc...
The point is to keep tabs on these people and hold them responsible for their actions. Lobbyists as well. KNOWING WHO'S DOING FAVORS FOR THEM (http://www.sos.nh.gov/political%20page.htm) would greatly assist us in keeping a watchful eye on these folks...
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Hm. It might not be a good idea to publicize someone's Socialist Slavery Number, even if they are a bureaucrat. As for the rest, absolutely.
Wow, I never thought my idea would recieve such a response. That being said, I think its obvious that I will give some of my time and effort to the idea of creating the site as I envisioned it, as it appears everyone else seems to be thinking along the same lines. I was thinking exactly what you were thinking Quantrill.
Error, where is this wiki you setup so I can punch start punching in the information? I'm a stay at home dad, so I'm willing to cut some of my World of Warcraft time out in favor of doing something that is far more entertaining.
As a Linux/Computer geek(I actually have a working MythBox and have used it for over a year and I do my own upgrades), I'm willing to lend the time and labor if someone lends the equipment and space.
I was thinking that only registered people can input information into the system. Its all public viewable, but only registered people can edit it.
I agree with Error, lets keep SSN's out of the record, as much fun as it would to be able to allow someone to pull a "Hackers" trick and make someone dead. I still laugh when he gets that call from accounting....
Hosting is hella cheap and I know of a few hosts who will including free domain registration when you sign up. Speaking of which, what do we call this database.
Some suggestions: CBI(Citizens Buraue of Investigations), The Watcher, The "Official Record", The Database of Public Officials, Communists, and Other People(DOPOCOP)?
Some potential uses of such a registry don't lend themselves well to the wiki format. A more traditional database might be in order. It may be worth considering exactly how someone would use the system before trying to build it.
Send the bureaucrats a form to fill out
Quote from: error on April 20, 2007, 06:45 PM NHFT
Some potential uses of such a registry don't lend themselves well to the wiki format. A more traditional database might be in order. It may be worth considering exactly how someone would use the system before trying to build it.
If you are going to suggest a problem, please also include a remedy for that problem. Or at least define the issue at hand so others may address it. Its difficult to address an issue something if you don't know where the problem is.
You say 'some potential uses', what specifically are you referring to? As I see it, proper maintenance of a wiki lends itself to every type of conceivable search that I currently have ever asked of it. Its when things are added to it that aren't well formatted that you are correct it makes it difficult to define.
At any rate, I thank you for pointing out there could be a problem.
QuoteIt may be worth considering exactly how someone would use the system before trying to build it.
I would use it to search by locality, organisation, affiliations, the reasons for them being in the system.
Its more helpful if you ask a question like this to also answer your own question, that way we don't waste space asking you, 'what did you mean' or 'please be more specific and less vague'. So now I waste space in asking, how would you use this database?
I would use it to look up bureaucrats in the immediate vicinity of wherever I happen to be, so that I can be forewarned if one of them attempts to enter my place of business. I can't think of any immediate way in which a wiki would facilitate such a geographic search.
Quote from: error on April 21, 2007, 11:11 AM NHFT
I would use it to look up bureaucrats in the immediate vicinity of wherever I happen to be, so that I can be forewarned if one of them attempts to enter my place of business. I can't think of any immediate way in which a wiki would facilitate such a geographic search.
Oh, is that all? I was thinking you wanted it cross indexed by who wears Aqua Velva AND drives piece of crap cars, that to me would require a more in depth look at wiki and see if it is possible, which it may be.
As you may or may not know, you can categorize by anything. Locality is one of my intended categories. Check out Wikipedia some time and check the bottom of the page, you'll see all the cross indexes there.
Anything else?
BTW I don't demand that we use wiki, I just see it as the most flexible of all the systems available. There may be a need by someone that wiki can't address(I personally haven't found it) that a true database maybe able to do better. But, right now at least, I don't want to take the time to learn how to use mysql and interface it with a website. Although again, there is probably an off the shelf open source that has already done it. But I like wiki, its fun and easy to use. Yes, I'm biased, is that a bad thing?
We'd probably have to have not only individual spreadsheets (or however we set up the info) but also be able to search by location, type of group etc... So if I wanted to find out who the police prosecutor for Keene is, I could type in (or select) Keene, then it would pop up city officials, police, representatives etc...
I would then click on police and it would pop up a list of officers and their rank etc...
Then I click on Sgt. Eliezer Rivera - police prosecutor
Keene Police Department
Administrative Services Division
Bureau of Prosecution
400 Marlboro Street
Keene, New Hampshire 03431
(603)357-9813 x 7075
Home: 55 Pine Ave, Keene NH (not yet verified)
2005 property value = 183,300
2006 property value = 184,600
erivera@ci.keene.nh.us
is the webmaster for keene police website (http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/police/index.htm)
Was involved with trial for Keene resident (we may or may not put civilian's name) who was driving without a license. [any quotes, newspaper articles, etc... would go here]
BIO: Call Sign: zero seven five (075)
Assignment: Police Prosecutor
Serving Since: 1990
Academy Class: 93rd
Education: Bachelors Degree Franklin Pierce College
Collateral Duties: Police Prosecutor, Department Webmaster, Tech Liaison
Military Background: Served 5 years active duty with the United States Coast Guard and 6 years with the United States Army Reserve
Community Involvement: Keene Swampbats NECBL baseball team volunteer, Chair Keene High School Project Graduation, Member of the Keene Music Festival Committee, Keene Elks Club and Keene Rotary Club. Served on the Keene Board of Education. Actively involved with Keene Rec Center and Keene Youth Services providing the Washington St. Cafe.
Recent Accomplishments: Appointed to the New Hampshire Postsecondary Education Commission by former Governor Craig Benson. Appointed to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) Board of Directors. Appointed as Vice-Chair to the New Hampshire Governor's Advisory Commission on Latino Affairs by Governor John Lynch.
Sergeant Eliezer Rivera began his career with the Keene Police Department in the Field Operations Division in 1991. He was promoted to the rank of Corporal/Sergeant in 2000. During his career with the Keene Police Department, Sergeant Rivera served as a field-training officer, a detective, tactical team, Explorer Post Advisor, Assistant K9 Officer and the Color Guard.
Sergeant Rivera is a graduate of Franklin Pierce College with a Bachelors Degree and has attended numerous specialized law enforcement and management school.
Prior to joining the Keene Police Department, he worked for the Winchester, NH Police Department in 1990-91 and the Cheshire County House of Corrections in 1989-1990.
He is a an active member of the NH Police Association and the Keene Police Supervisors Union.
"Blessed are those who defend justice and do what is right at all times." Psalms 106:3
http://www.ci.keene.nh.us/police/rivera.htm
[anything in bold type would have a link to that organization's page]
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The problem with wiki software is it has problems scaling. Look at Wikipedia. If I put a million bureaucrats in a wiki, cross-referencing them using the wiki format will be extremely inefficient on the back end, requiring massive expenditures of hardware which I really don't want to buy.
rSounds like a great idea to me. Even with a small list, you would be able to start cross referencing alot of connections between bureaucrats. Examples:
* The value of county/city employees property, is it's value assesed the same as that of regular citizens?..what is the value of the nieghbors property?
* Marriage records would allow you to see the interconections between family members in city/county employment.....you set up a big chart on a wall and start to make connections. Once that is done, you can research who is getting the different city/county contracts, who are the newly hired city workers, are some people getting more city services than others etc....
A simple excel program could be used to cross-reference a huge amount of info. Once it is designed, different people could fill in different parts (farm the work out to volunteers) marriage conections, property value, department, bureaucrat, politician contractor or board member of a city/state/county contractor.
I'm not in NH yet but soon I hope. Let me know if I can help
I won't build anything on Microsoft software. I only build quality software.
I refuse to also build anything with Microsoft software.
As far as actually building anything, I would prefer an open source solution against using a closed one.
To address the issues of hardware I honestly will admit to not knowing the backend hardware requirements of our database. I'm willing to, for the moment, make a provider pay for the hardware. Depending on the terms of the service agreement of course.
Alphincr, interesting ideas. Not something I would have normally thought of, however I could see the usefulness of having that kind of information. Access to some of the information would/could be cost prohibitive.
While a spreadsheet program would work for the task, I don't know(mainly because I haven't looked) to see if there is a public accessible database with access control that would be required for this project.
Quantrill, great contrabution! I love the level of information! You are following my train of though very well. I am taking notes people so keep up the ideas.
I am currently investigating several wiki service providers both paid an unpaid to see what is available and how we will move forward.
I tend to like the idea of making each person's entry similar to a blog article...so that all kinds of people including the bureaucrat's supporters would be able to add comments. However it will really open a site up to libel suits since all kinds of people would be posting who knows what.
Another function we might want to have is the ability to search for complex cross-connections. What defense attorneys started out as prosecutors? Which legislators own businesses, and own multiple homes, but don't vote for medical marijuana? Who knows what sort of crazy searches might be needed to address a given issue...
I like Boolean searching :)
Joe
Quote from: DadaOrwell on April 22, 2007, 08:12 AM NHFT
I tend to like the idea of making each person's entry similar to a blog article...so that all kinds of people including the bureaucrat's supporters would be able to add comments. However it will really open a site up to libel suits since all kinds of people would be posting who knows what.
Yeah, I agree. But that is why I like wiki is we can open it for public comment and if someone posts something libel then we can edit it. I'm not into censorship or anything but if its true it isn't libel and if its false, I'd rather not have it posted.
Quote from: MaineShark on April 22, 2007, 11:03 AM NHFT
Another function we might want to have is the ability to search for complex cross-connections. What defense attorneys started out as prosecutors? Which legislators own businesses, and own multiple homes, but don't vote for medical marijuana? Who knows what sort of crazy searches might be needed to address a given issue...
I like Boolean searching :)
Well Joe, we can do the multiple homes, own businesses, and voting records, easy enough. Searching for what attorneys started as prosecutors might be a little more difficult to do. Worse case, we start with wiki and find out where it is deficent and where it is not and go from there.
Anything else? The search continues, I spent all morning typing up a history of the US and where I thought we went wrong so I'm a bit tired after doing that. I'll continue searching tommorow.
Forrest
Are we sure that SSNs are a bad idea?
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I just think it would cool for these people to know that they're not the only ones keeping tabs...
I think that SSN's are a bad idea.
Oh, wait you were refering to displaying the Bureaucrat's SSNs. Yes, it is a bad idea for us to display them.
That's why we will display them.
I'm not being serious.
Maybe we could issue all bureacurats Bureaucrat Identifier Numbers which they could never revoke or get rid of, and then require bureaucrats to give us their Bureaucrat Identifier Number in every interaction with us.