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Title: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 22, 2007, 10:59 PM NHFT
A place to put resources dealing with the tactics of nonviolent struggle.

This is not a place to debate, this is a place to post relevant information that perhaps can later be edited into a wiki page for reference.

I will ask the moderators to please move or delete posts that stray from the mission of the thread. If folks would like to discuss and debate the issues brought up here I would ask them to create a separate thread for the purpose. :)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 22, 2007, 11:01 PM NHFT
In heated debate on the forum there has been a lot of misconceptions and mispresentations of what Nonviolent Revolution means.

What nonviolent action isn't

1) Nonviolent action has nothing to do with passivity, submissiveness, and cowardice; just as in violent action, these must first be rejected and overcome.

2) Nonviolent action is not to be equated with verbal or purely psychological pressures for attitude change; nonviolent action, instead of words is a sanction and a technique of struggle involving the use of social, economic, and political power, and the matching of forces in conflict.

3)Nonviolent action does not depend on the assumption that people are inherently "good"; the potentialities of people for both "good" and "evil" are recognized, including the extremes of cruelty and inhumanity.

4) People using nonviolent action do not have to be pacifists or saints; nonviolent action has been predominantly practiced by "ordinary" people.

For the rest see this link
Correcting Common Misconceptions About Nonviolent Action .pdf (http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/misconceptions.pdf)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 22, 2007, 11:06 PM NHFT
...Some have argued that this logic gives a libertarian argument for the morality of violent revolution. To wit, if one is justified in using violence to defend oneself or one's property from a robber, or in defending oneself from a kidnapper or slaver, then one is likewise justified in using violence to defend oneself from similar criminal aggressions by the state. Since the state employ first use of violence, and the threat thereof, on a daily basis against us, it is argued that violent resistance to the state is defensive or, at worst, retaliatory in nature; it is not an initiation of violence.

Whatever the merits of this argument in theory, in practice there are grave problems with the strategy of attempting to win our freedom by violent means:

Cont.
Not Bullets (http://freeamerica.ws/why-not-bullets.html)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 22, 2007, 11:10 PM NHFT
This has been posted elsewhere on the forum.
For those that think that nonviolent struggle isn't manly enough, or exciting enough, I'm sure you can find something that fits your interest in some action.  ;)

198 Methods of Nonviolent Action (http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods.pdf)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 22, 2007, 11:11 PM NHFT
I will live as a free man among free Americans.  We will pay no taxes.  We will submit to no rulers.  We will exercise our rights openly and without fear. 

I've reached a point in my life where I can no longer bear to live on my knees, meekly submitting to whatever outrages and humiliations America 's rulers choose to inflict on us.  And so I have made a commitment to put an end to the bondage under which I and my fellow Americans suffer. 

I will live as a free man, in a free America . 

I'm not talking about reforming the Government; I mean to bypass it entirely, breaking free of any dependence on it and eliminating its ability to coerce us. The free market and civil society can supply all legitimate services we have heretofore obtained from Government. 

Cont.
Creating a Free America (http://www.strike-the-root.com/62/horn/horn1.html)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on April 22, 2007, 11:18 PM NHFT
The Albert Einstien Institue is an excellent resource.
Remembering that even though some resources might be put out by organizations that don't completely line up with your world view, doesn't mean that it isn't a source for viable strategies.  ;)


Nonviolent Action
Index of Publications
(http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations892f.html)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Rosie the Riveter on April 22, 2007, 11:18 PM NHFT
This guy was on FTL Sat. night -- I haven't check it out in depth but his web site may be a good resource for ideas about how to opt out.

http://thinkfree.ca/
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 06, 2007, 03:19 PM NHFT
The Orange Revolution... Ukrainian's defeat corrupt election
wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution)

These are powerful images... and show what it takes to win. Happy women and children are much more appealing to the wider audience than angry men.
(http://www.orangerevolution.us/orange)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b5/25656.jpg)

What color is our revolution?  :)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: space on May 10, 2007, 01:51 PM NHFT
This guy was on FTL Sat. night -- I haven't check it out in depth but his web site may be a good resource for ideas about how to opt out.

http://thinkfree.ca/

this guy is amazing I will watch his videos repeatedly until it is burned in my brain.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 22, 2007, 04:44 PM NHFT
Interesting tactics.
Hat tip to Moorlock :)

Guerrilla Hacks
http://sniggle.net/guerilla.php
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 24, 2007, 08:26 AM NHFT
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HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
Before the U.S. House of Representatives

May 22, 2007

...Resistance need not be violent, but the civil disobedience that might be required involves confrontation with the state and invites possible imprisonment.

Peaceful non-violent revolutions against tyranny have been every bit as successful as those involving military confrontation.  Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. achieved great political successes by practicing non-violence, yet they themselves suffered physically at the hands of the state.

But whether the resistance against government tyrants is non-violent or physically violent, the effort to overthrow state oppression qualifies as true patriotism.

True patriotism today has gotten a bad name—at least from the government and the press. Those who now challenge the unconstitutional methods of imposing an income tax on us, or force us to use a monetary system designed to serve the rich at the expense of the poor, are routinely condemned.  These American patriots are sadly looked down upon by many.  They are never praised as champions of liberty as Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. have been.

Liberals, who withhold their taxes as a protest against war, are vilified as well—especially by conservative statists.

Unquestioned loyalty to the state is especially demanded in times of war.  Lack of support for a war policy is said to be unpatriotic.  Arguments against a particular policy that endorses a war once it’s started, are always said to be endangering the troops in the field.  This, they blatantly claim, is unpatriotic and all dissent must stop. Yet it is dissent from government policies that defines the true patriot and champion of liberty...
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 29, 2007, 09:48 AM NHFT
Images from the civil rights era... the world witnessed the nonviolent resistance, which led to change.
(http://www.crmvet.org/crmpics/bham-firehose4.jpg)
(http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/odyssey/archive/09/0909001r.jpg)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on July 19, 2007, 07:30 PM NHFT
 :tiphat: Hat tip to Dalebert

White Rose (German: die Weiße Rose)
was a non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany, consisting of five students from the University of Munich and their philosophy professor. The group became known for an anonymous leaflet campaign, lasting from June 1942 until February 1943, which called for active opposition to German dictator Adolf Hitler's regime.
All six members of the group were arrested by the Gestapo, convicted and executed by beheading in 1943. The text of their sixth leaflet was smuggled out of Germany through Scandinavia to England, and in July 1943 copies of it were dropped over Germany by Allied planes, retitled "The Manifesto of the Students of Munich."
--Read more from the Wikipedia-- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose)



Leaflets of The White Rose (http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/index.html)

The First Leaflet
 
Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as allowing itself to be governed without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct. It is certain that today every honest German is ashamed of his government. Who among us has any conception of the dimensions of shame that will befall us and our children when one day the veil has fallen from our eyes and the most horrible of crimes - crimes that infinitely outdistance every human measure - reach the light of day? If the German people are already so corrupted and spiritually crushed that they do not raise a hand, frivolously trusting in a questionable faith in lawful order of history; if they surrender man’s highest principle, that which raises him above all other God’s creatures, his free will; if they abandon the will to take decisive action and turn the wheel of history and thus subject it to their own rational decision; if they are so devoid of all individuality, have already gone so far along the road toward turning into a spiritless and cowardly mass - then, yes, they deserve their downfall...
--Read more-- (http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/leafoneeng.html)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: kola on July 19, 2007, 08:02 PM NHFT
Man, that pic of the black folks getting sprayed down really makes me sick.

grrrrrr

Kola
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on July 19, 2007, 08:45 PM NHFT
We watched that movie "US vs. John Lennon" recently .... it was pretty good.

Ya say ya wanna revolution
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on July 19, 2007, 08:52 PM NHFT
Man, that pic of the black folks getting sprayed down really makes me sick.

grrrrrr

Kola

A question I like to ask folks is "From looking at the picture who would you say won?"
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Kat Kanning on November 29, 2007, 05:08 PM NHFT
Bumping up this thread:  where do we go from here?  Lots of good ideas posted here.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on December 26, 2007, 12:42 PM NHFT
The Power of Non-Violent Resistance
(http://voluntaryist.com/articles/027b.php)
by Jerry M. Tinker

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As many writers have noted, the basic thesis, or strategy, upon which Gandhi's satyagraha and all non-violent resistance rests is that all structures of power - government and social organizations - always depend upon the voluntary cooperation of great numbers of people even when they seem to rely upon coercion. The chief wielders of power, in other words, must have the tacit assistance and cooperation of hundreds or even thousands of persons in order to exercise power. The strategy, then, of those who oppose or wish to change an established power structure, particularly one equipped with overwhelming physical force, is to persuade large numbers of persons to refuse to cooperate with it any longer. This is not the objective of non-violent resistance, but its strategy.

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Publicity and propaganda are essential tools in securing widespread compliance. Even under circumstances when open publication is banned, a non-violent resistance movement must have some means of communication. There are numerous examples of underground newspapers operating effectively during World War II in Nazi-occupied Europe where non-violent resistance met with considerable success.

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The violence of resisters themselves is, of course, the best justification for violent counteraction; but if resisters are non-violent, the government is faced with the dilemma of how to explain their violence or coercion. This explains the tendency of all governments when faced with non-violent resistance to emphasize any violent fringes that may emerge.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 27, 2007, 05:42 PM NHFT
it is pretty simple ... but hard ... all at the same time huh
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: David on December 27, 2007, 09:03 PM NHFT
Your last quote Tom, I just read that the other day in a book edited by Carl Watner that was on Kats bookshelf.  Small world.
I think they call it a no win scenario for gov't.  If they leave the disobeyer alone, then he wins.  If they arrest him then it is easier for his supporters to rally support to their cause. 
A british official prior to the Indian independence put it like this-the protesters put the gov't in a position to abdicate, or resist the resisters. 
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on December 27, 2007, 09:19 PM NHFT
Literature and Rock and Roll topple a totalitarian government...

Vaclav Havel and the Velvet Revolution  8) :icon_pirat:

Velvet President
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28781.html

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In April 1975, facing an utterly demoralized country and an understandable case of writer's block, Havel committed an act of such sheer ballsiness that the shock waves are still being felt in repressive countries 30 years later. He simply sat down and, knowing that he'd likely be imprisoned for his efforts, wrote an open letter to his dictator, Gustav Husak, explaining in painstaking detail just why and how totalitarianism was ruining Czechoslovakia.

"So far," Havel scolded Husak, "you and your government have chosen the easy way out for yourselves, and the most dangerous road for society: the path of inner decay for the sake of outward appearances; of deadening life for the sake of increasing uniformity; of deepening the spiritual and moral crisis of our society, and ceaselessly degrading human dignity, for the puny sake of protecting your own power."

It was the Big Bang that set off the dissident movement in Central Europe. For those lucky enough to read an illegally retyped copy or hear it broadcast over Radio Free Europe, the effect was not unlike what happened to the 5,000 people who bought the Velvet Underground's first record: After the shock and initial pleasure wore off, many said, "Wait a minute, I can do this too!" By standing up to a system that had forced every citizen to make a thousand daily compromises, Havel was suggesting a novel new tactic: Have the self-respect to tell the truth, never mind the consequences, and maybe you'll put the bastards on the defensive.

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This act of literary punk rock was followed, logically enough, by a defense of rock music that sparked the Charter 77 movement. Or, as Havel told a startled Lou Reed when he met the Velvet Underground's former frontman in 1990, "Did you know that I am president because of you?"

Defending The Plastic People
In 1968 a rare copy of the Velvet Underground's first record somehow found its way to Prague. It became a sensation in music circles and beyond, eventually inspiring the Czech name for their bloodless 1989 overthrow of Communist rule, "the Velvet Revolution." The Plastic People, then a newly formed troupe that borrowed heavily from Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, quickly added a half-dozen songs from The Velvet Underground & Nico to their repertoire. The group was banned not long after the Prague Spring concluded but continued to play at weddings and secret shows.

Then, in 1976, four members were arrested on charges of "disturbing the peace." The Czech dissident movement, newly roused by Havel's open letter, made the trial an international cause. Havel, who intuitively grasped the symbolism of the case, was in the courtroom every day to witness and document the judicial farce. Just as George Orwell saw picking up a gun to shoot fascists in the Spanish Civil War as "the only conceivable thing to do," Havel understood this assault on freedom as one outrage too far. It was a turning point in his life. "Everyone understood," he wrote later, "that an attack on the Czech musical underground was an attack on a most elementary and important thing, something that in fact bound everyone together: it was an attack on the very notion of living within the truth, on the real aims of life."
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: KBCraig on December 27, 2007, 09:21 PM NHFT
I think they call it a no win scenario for gov't.  If they leave the disobeyer alone, then he wins.  If they arrest him then it is easier for his supporters to rally support to their cause.  
A british official prior to the Indian independence put it like this-the protesters put the gov't in a position to abdicate, or resist the resisters.  

Or, Option C: They arrest the disobeyer, and no one except supporters cares. And in fact, the majority have been so conditioned to support the police and government that they actively oppose anyone who doesn't "just do what the police say!"

Witness the comments in the newspapers about Lauren and Russell, not to mention the Browns.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on December 27, 2007, 09:37 PM NHFT
Even in the case where only supporters care there is the upside of motivating and recruiting others...

I am here because Russell went to the airport.

Lauren's arrests are one of the few things that have interested family members of mine that are generally apathetic.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 28, 2007, 08:56 AM NHFT
sometimes it is the little things ....  something small is at least something
It does seem funny that some music in Prague was the rallying point, but it sure beats just sitting around complaining and throwing up your hands in dispair.
Maybe a rebel alliance wookie will be the rallying point. :)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: David on December 29, 2007, 12:46 AM NHFT
Quote KBCraig<Or, Option C: They arrest the disobeyer, and no one except supporters cares. And in fact, the majority have been so conditioned to support the police and government that they actively oppose anyone who doesn't "just do what the police say!">

Maybe it is the issue.  I though Ed had support, but lost it due to his own hostility, and he made himself into a kook by talking about the illuminati etc. 
To get public support, which is ideal, it needs to be an issue that many people feel strongly about.  Taxes for instance. 
Obscure issues that are important to us, but not to the mainstream, will not gain much public support.  My car registration issue for instance.  I expect very little public support.  My goal instead is to modify the enforcers behavior.  To encourage them to choose not to enforce their own laws. 
That is prolly why the big popular movements in the past break down when the big issue is settled.  The smaller issues just don't draw big numbers of angry people willing to challenge gov't at great personal risk. 
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: John Edward Mercier on December 29, 2007, 07:05 AM NHFT
The enforcers are partially paid through your registration.
In the Brown's case, it was more that the income tax has been thoroughly vetted. Most Americans would like to change it. Which is why we see several new formats 'flat'/'fair'. Personally, I would be more willing to return to tariffs, and a smaller federal government.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on December 29, 2007, 05:28 PM NHFT
Voluntaryist Resistance
By Carl Watner
http://www.voluntaryist.com/action/vol_resistance.php

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All anarchists share a like goal: the abolition of the State. This goal is based on their commonly shared understanding that all government, by its very nature, is invasive. What distinguishes voluntaryists from all other anarchists is that voluntaryist goals do not stop with the destruction of government. We could still have a society full of violence, even though there was no government. Human beings require an orderly society. (One must question the assumption that governments provide such an environment.) However, political law and government coercion are not the only way to provide for a peaceable existence. [6] Voluntaryists want an all voluntary society, one in which interpersonal relationships are based on mutually agreeable and voluntary exchanges. This is the end of voluntaryism: a regime of peaceful relationships based on respect for self-ownership and proprietary justice. It is this peaceful end which leads us to embrace nonviolence as a means.

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"Violence may be directed at individuals, but when it comes to the State where is the violence to be directed?" Institutional arrangements can never be touched by violence because they are ideas carried in the minds of people practicing them. Public buildings may be destroyed, public officials murdered, but such efforts will never bring about the destruction of the idea of the State. The State is a state of mind, an idea which cannot be harmed by violence. Ideas can only be attacked with better ideas.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 30, 2007, 08:59 AM NHFT
Man, that pic of the black folks getting sprayed down really makes me sick.
A question I like to ask folks is "From looking at the picture who would you say won?"
from people that are sure no change can occur ... or they are afraid to try .... they convince themselves that nothing happened from that movement.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: coffeeseven on December 30, 2007, 09:45 AM NHFT
Man, that pic of the black folks getting sprayed down really makes me sick.
A question I like to ask folks is "From looking at the picture who would you say won?"
from people that are sure no change can occur ... or they are afraid to try .... they convince themselves that nothing happened from that movement.

If it were easy to see black/white equality of the late '60's back in 1950 more people might have thrown themselves into the fight. You don't know when, or even if your cause is going to win.

Took me a minute to get the bigger picture: Building a movement is like building a road. One brick, one plank at a time. The brick is not the whole road, but the road can't be built without it. No Russell, you are not "thick as a brick".  ;)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 30, 2007, 10:01 AM NHFT
Man, that pic of the black folks getting sprayed down really makes me sick.

grrrrrr

Kola

A question I like to ask folks is "From looking at the picture who would you say won?"

On that day?
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 30, 2007, 10:20 AM NHFT
Took me a minute to get the bigger picture: Building a movement is like building a road. One brick, one plank at a time. The brick is not the whole road, but the road can't be built without it. No Russell, you are not "thick as a brick".  ;)
we have really cool building blocks here in The Shire
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 30, 2007, 10:36 AM NHFT
Then they got too cold and you had to stop ;D
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on December 30, 2007, 11:11 AM NHFT
Man, that pic of the black folks getting sprayed down really makes me sick.

grrrrrr

Kola

A question I like to ask folks is "From looking at the picture who would you say won?"

On that day?

It created an image that was very powerful. The guy got wet and maybe knocked down, but he behaved like a free man.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 30, 2007, 11:43 AM NHFT
Probably lost a kidney
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on December 30, 2007, 01:37 PM NHFT
I guess some people don't see that same reality.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Lloyd Danforth on December 30, 2007, 05:18 PM NHFT
Yes, probably due to their going thru life with their eyes glazed over
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: srqrebel on December 30, 2007, 11:22 PM NHFT
I think they call it a no win scenario for gov't.  If they leave the disobeyer alone, then he wins.  If they arrest him then it is easier for his supporters to rally support to their cause. 
A british official prior to the Indian independence put it like this-the protesters put the gov't in a position to abdicate, or resist the resisters. 

Or, Option C: They arrest the disobeyer, and no one except supporters cares. And in fact, the majority have been so conditioned to support the police and government that they actively oppose anyone who doesn't "just do what the police say!"

Witness the comments in the newspapers about Lauren and Russell, not to mention the Browns.


One has to wonder how many of those newspaper commentators were cops or friends/family members of cops.  I am certainly not convinced that the majority of folks are as you describe them, KB -- I would say more along the lines of afraid to disobey.  At least that is how folks in New Hampshire come across to me.  Those people are content for now to cheer on the Laurens and Russells silently -- while those whose dignity has been stepped on are most likely to speak out.

In Florida, on the other hand, people seem way more conditioned to obey without question, and more apathetic as well.

Every movement starts out small, and snowballs from there.  I signed the FSP Statement of Intent because I loved the idea, but I signed the First 1000 pledge and moved early because I kept reading about all the action, especially the cd, and wanted to be a part of it.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on March 08, 2008, 09:59 AM NHFT
Movie "Singing Revolution" about Estonian freedom movement (http://www.singingrevolution.com/)

 :tiphat: to Taxinator for his post (http://nhunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11927.msg203249#msg203249)

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Most people don’t think about singing when thinking about revolutions. But in Estonia song was the weapon of choice when, between 1987 and 1991, Estonians wanted to end decades of Soviet occupation.
cont. (http://www.singingrevolution.com/cgi-local/content.cgi?pg=3&p=19)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 10, 2008, 07:24 AM NHFT
From Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky

Tactics mean doing what you can with what you have.

Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. In the world of give and take, tactics is the art of how to take and how to give. Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves.

For an elementary illustration of tactics, take parts of your face as the point of reference; your eyes, your ears, and your nose. First the eyes; if you have organized a vast, mass-based people's organization, you can parade it visibly before the enemy and openly show your power. Second the ears; if your organization is small in numbers, then...conceal the members in the dark but raise a din and clamor that will make the listener believe that your organization numbers many more than it does. Third, the nose; if your organization is too tiny even for noise, stink up the place.

Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

Second: Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.

The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.

Sixth rule: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.

A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time, after which it becomes a ritualistic commitment.

Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.

The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative.

The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his suddenly agreeing with your demand and saying "You're right - we don't know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us."

Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

In conflict tactics there are certain rules that the organizer should always regard as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and "frozen." By this I mean that in a complex, interrelated, urban society, it becomes increasingly difficult to single out who is to blame for any particular evil. There is a constant, and somewhat legitimate, passing of the buck. The target is always trying to shift responsibility to get out of being the target.

One of the criteria in picking your target is the target's vulnerability - where do you have the power to start? Furthermore, the target can always say, "Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?" When you "freeze the target," you disregard these arguments and, for the moment, all others to blame.

Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all of the "others" come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target.

The other important point in the choosing of a target is that it must be a personification, not something general and abstract such as a community's segregated practices or a major corporation or City Hall. It is not possible to develop the necessary hostility against, say, City Hall, which after all is a concrete, physical, inanimate structure, or against a corporation, which has no soul or identity, or a public school administration, which again is an inanimate system.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Kat Kanning on May 10, 2008, 08:01 AM NHFT
Hillary Clinton loved that piece...it's like her bible or something.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 10, 2008, 06:51 PM NHFT
Yeah...
From Wikipedia
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Alinsky was the subject of Hillary Rodham's senior honors thesis at Wellesley College, "There Is Only The Fight...": An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.[8] Rodham commented on Alinsky's "charm," but noted that “one of the primary problems of the Alinsky model is that the removal of Alinsky dramatically alters its composition." [8] Later, in her 2003 biography, "Living History" Clinton notes that although she agreed with some of his ideas, "particularly the value of empowering people to help themselves" they had a fundamental disagreement: "He believed you could change the system only from the outside. I didn't." [8] Once Hillary Rodham Clinton became First Lady of the United States, the thesis was suppressed by the White House for fear of being associated too closely with Alinsky's ideas.[9]

Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: armlaw on May 10, 2008, 07:30 PM NHFT
The enforcers are partially paid through your registration.
In the Brown's case, it was more that the income tax has been thoroughly vetted. Most Americans would like to change it. Which is why we see several new formats 'flat'/'fair'. Personally, I would be more willing to return to tariffs, and a smaller federal mafia.


There are many who would agree with you, in returning to tariffs only as the ONLY means of funding the feds. This would put them back into the constitutional box of 1-8-17 where they belong and deprive them of using the fictional printing press currency to sucker in the sovereign states with federal funding contracts that require compelled performance, thus overriding the  prohibitions enumerated in the constitution. Yes, a return to the power of 4-4, and the sovereign Republics mandated therein. Now the question is: How can the restoration become manifest?
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on May 11, 2008, 09:23 AM NHFT
so .... what color scheme or motif would be good to represent our movement?

they went with orange in that romanian one or whatever right?
we have been using green for some things ... like backpack ribbons
the underground and paper use flames
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on May 11, 2008, 09:35 AM NHFT
Black and gold is in the underground thingie I made.
(http://politicalgraffiti.com/nhfree/Flag-Wave-NHFREE.gif)

Yellow and black is the Gasden flag.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Russell Kanning on May 11, 2008, 09:41 AM NHFT
hmmm

I do like your idea of being able to wear t-shirts or other clothing and being part of the revolution without having to have a sign.
I like the idea of not having to buy special clothing ... just anything will do the trick. John Connell uses plain clothes and them writes on them. :)
I also like the tree idea .... it is very Shire
remember one of the independence flags was red and white with a pine tree?
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: FTL_Ian on May 11, 2008, 09:41 AM NHFT
Black and gold are the anarcho-capitalist colors.

Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: John Edward Mercier on May 12, 2008, 09:28 AM NHFT
The enforcers are partially paid through your registration.
In the Brown's case, it was more that the income tax has been thoroughly vetted. Most Americans would like to change it. Which is why we see several new formats 'flat'/'fair'. Personally, I would be more willing to return to tariffs, and a smaller federal mafia.


There are many who would agree with you, in returning to tariffs only as the ONLY means of funding the feds. This would put them back into the constitutional box of 1-8-17 where they belong and deprive them of using the fictional printing press currency to sucker in the sovereign states with federal funding contracts that require compelled performance, thus overriding the  prohibitions enumerated in the constitution. Yes, a return to the power of 4-4, and the sovereign Republics mandated therein. Now the question is: How can the restoration become manifest?

Pandora's Box... once opened it can never be the same. The only option is direct barter to avoid the artificial system that has been superimposed on the inherent one.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: J’raxis 270145 on May 13, 2008, 02:52 AM NHFT
Black, gold, and green? That would combine the green idea and the black-and-gold idea, and match the colors on the Gadsden flag. (Not all versions use a white rattlesnake, for example (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Gadsden_flag.svg/800px-Gadsden_flag.svg.png).)

As far as symbols go in general, I just use the Gadsden flag, because it’s already plenty recognizable as a freedom symbol.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 22, 2014, 12:07 PM NHFT
Symbols have power and meaning...

Thailand has taken to using the three finger symbol from the Hunger Games.
Thugs can't help but being thugs... so they have arrested people for using the symbol... excellent, the controllers can only try to control... now all that someone has to do is hold up three fingers and they promote the revolution.

(http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/11/20/hunger-games-thailand.jpg?itok=_nmbaK7S)

Hong Kong protesters' symbol became the umbrella

(http://img.rt.com/files/news/2e/c7/80/00/11.si.jpg)
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Free libertarian on November 23, 2014, 08:51 AM NHFT
Sometimes I hold up just one finger, when I am being revolting.   ;D
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 23, 2014, 05:04 PM NHFT
Solar Bob says "We're number 1!"
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: dalebert on November 26, 2014, 10:05 AM NHFT
Did you hear Sex, Lies, and Anarchy talking about the origins of the middle finger? The idea was they would cut that finger off because it was key in using a bow. People raised it as a way of saying "I'm still armed". If that's the case, the modern equivalent would be the index finger.
Title: Re: REVOLUTION, Ya Say Ya Want A
Post by: Tom Sawyer on November 27, 2014, 07:58 AM NHFT
Did you hear Sex, Lies, and Anarchy talking about the origins of the middle finger? The idea was they would cut that finger off because it was key in using a bow. People raised it as a way of saying "I'm still armed". If that's the case, the modern equivalent would be the index finger.

Praise the Lloyd

(http://arafwchnawr.com/images/Pullover-Etiquette-%231.jpg)