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How does one go about increasing the State's cost of jailing you?

Started by Dave Ridley, April 04, 2008, 09:45 AM NHFT

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firecracker joe

the state hates putting sick people in jail because they have to foot the bill. when i was thrown in prison they had to bring me to a thyroid specialist once a month in concord and pay for a radioactive iodine drink ( very expensive) it didnt take them long to approve house arrest where i had to pay my own medical bills.

Kat Kanning

Quote from: jose on April 06, 2008, 06:18 PM NHFT
the state hates putting sick people in jail because they have to foot the bill. when i was thrown in prison they had to bring me to a thyroid specialist once a month in concord and pay for a radioactive iodine drink ( very expensive) it didnt take them long to approve house arrest where i had to pay my own medical bills.

Very true.  They hated paying for that Brian Severance's medical bills.

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: David on April 05, 2008, 07:35 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on April 04, 2008, 08:42 PM NHFT
On the one hand, increasing their costs ultimately means the State is stealing more money from us, which means you're indirectly responsible for such theft. But this argument ignores that the State and its officers have a choice of whether or not to steal, and they choose to do so. You may be responsible "in fact" for what the State is doing, but it is they who are morally responsible for the theft.


I'm not picking on you J., but you are prolly not the only one who has had this thought. 
Each person is responsible for their own behavior.  If gov't employees choose to arrest me, then they and only they have made the decision to increase the cost.  I have a right to live free of gov't oppression.  If I choose to live that way, how am I personally responsible for the oppression the gov't does? 

Huh? I wasn't making this argument, merely presenting it as an oft-heard argument. See my third paragraph where I described it as an illegitimate argument. I tend to do stuff like that often; I can usually see, and understand, both sides of an argument, even the positions I don't agree with. It really comes in handy when you're trying to think of counterarguments to bad arguments, too—which is basically what I did above, post a bad argument then refute it myself.

David

I know J., but it is something that bothers many well meaning activists, and I felt the need to further address it. 
I know there are people that are genuinlly angry that it is expensive when police choose to arrest an activist.  But it is not the activists fault, even when he/she provokes an incident.  There would be nothing to 'provoke' if it was not unjustly illegal.