Important Information about energy saver lightbulbs

[kola]

Joe said

Yeah, like those chiropractors who give people full-torso x-rays all the time, just for the heck of it.

Completely crazy...

I do not shoot x-rays before adjusting.

If it is serious trauma and/or suspicious I send folks to the med center next door.

Instead of shooting your mouth off why not just ask me how I provide my services?

Thanks for making yourself look silly, Goober.

btw "full spine x-rays" are part of a chiro technique invented by a man named Clarence Gonstead, one of the greatest chiros ever. Today, very few chiro's practice Gonstead technique. But you wouldn't know that or care to learn about it because your rely on the Stephen Barrett and his Quackwatch webpage. Silly boy!

Kola

[MaineShark]

I do not shoot x-rays before adjusting.

If it is serious trauma and/or suspicious I send folks to the med center next door.

Instead of shooting your mouth off why not just ask me how I provide my services?

Because you've already gone off about how you use x-rays so much, when you were trying to convince folks about all your "impressive" licensing.

btw "full spine x-rays" are part of a chiro technique invented by a man named Clarence Gonstead, one of the greatest chiros ever. Today, very few chiro's practice Gonstead technique. But you wouldn't know that or care to learn about it because your rely on the Stephen Barrett and his Quackwatch webpage. Silly boy!

Who?  The only Barrett I'm familiar with makes nice .50BMG rifles.

BTW, weren't you ignoring me?

Joe

[ByronB]

As far as the 'cold blue light' -- really that depends on the brand and type of bulb.  As I mentioned, I really like the Phillips bulbs I have.  The light is bright and clear and natural.  I've used some other bulbs that have the dreaded blue/green colored light, and it's really unappealing.  And the super-cheap Walmart spiral bulbs have a yellowish look that makes them quite similar to incandescents IMO.

More important then the brand is what color the lamp is (a CFL is just a fluorescent lamp with a ballast and edison-style socket all in one package), when you go to purchase any fluorescent lamp you need to check to see if the color is compatible with what you want or matches what you have... look for either numbers such as 41K (or 4,100K) or warm white, daylight etc. In all probability you want to get either 41K or cool white (they should be approximately the same) as they are balanced between what most would call too blue (50K and higher) and too red/yellow (35K and lower).

[Lloyd Danforth]

In my day we bought the damn bulb and screwed it in!  And we liked it!

[FreelanceFreedomFighter]

In my day we bought the damn bulb and screwed it in!  And we liked it!

[John Edward Mercier]

In my day we bought the damn bulb and screwed it in!  And we liked it!

Well in my 'day' we didn't use artificial light during the 'day'...

[Lloyd Danforth]

When I was a kid, you could bring your dead bulbs to the power company, or, just the metal part and get a free bulb.  I guess it was a holdover from the days when the power company was trying to get people off of gaslights.

[margomaps]

More important then the brand is what color the lamp is (a CFL is just a fluorescent lamp with a ballast and edison-style socket all in one package), when you go to purchase any fluorescent lamp you need to check to see if the color is compatible with what you want or matches what you have... look for either numbers such as 41K (or 4,100K) or warm white, daylight etc. In all probability you want to get either 41K or cool white (they should be approximately the same) as they are balanced between what most would call too blue (50K and higher) and too red/yellow (35K and lower).

True -- thank you for quantifying it for me.  The brands (Philips vs Sylvania) were probably meaningless in my experience with these CFL's, though I suppose it's possible that Sylvania only makes 50k+ for consumer CFL.  Anyway, you're right.

FYI, as far as I can tell Walmart only sells one type of Philips R60 projector CFL bulb in their stores.  They come in single packs or double packs.  And the light is very pleasing (to me) -- not too blue or yellow at all.  Perhaps it's a 41k bulb then.

[J’raxis 270145]

Don't worry, at some point they will start charging you to dispose of them enough money to make up for the difference with LED's.  :-)

Chuck 'em out the window driving by city hall or the homes of whatever politicians support this...

[Raineyrocks]

What kind of light bulb is the best?    I think from what I'm reading LED bulbs are, right?  What's the 2nd best if somebody can't afford the LEDs?

[ByronB]

What kind of light bulb is the best?    I think from what I'm reading LED bulbs are, right?  What's the 2nd best if somebody can't afford the LEDs?

It is all about application, LED's still have notoriously bad color rendition... I used to use a LED flashlight when I worked as an HVAC tech. but I went back to incandescent after I miswired a furnace purely because the light made a wire's color look like a different color then when I put my spare incandescent light on it.

Incandescent lights are ok for smaller rooms or rooms that don't need a whole lot of light, however you are sacrificing efficiency of the light bulb and generating a lot of heat (bad in the summertime, not as bad in the winter) and you are stuck with a duller yellowish color.

In my opinion florescent light bulbs are the way to go (just don't break too many of them), nowadays you can get a tremendous variety of florescent bulbs/fixtures that can be used in almost all applications with about any color you want and you can even get electronic ballasts that start the bulbs up instantly and run them at a higher frequency (versus 60 hertz from magnetic ballasts) this eliminates any humming, flickering, or slow start up times down to 0 degrees F.

Another alternative I personally like (but has limited applications) is metal halide (HID) lighting, it is commonly used for grow lights or for aquariums because of how close it is to actual sunlight (high CRI rating) and is as efficient or slightly more efficient then T-8 florescent lighting, it's downfalls are that it takes about 5 minutes to turn on completely, they cost a little bit, and there is not an economical way to light up a room with a low ceiling with these lights.

Take your pick, the best buy is with out question a florescent light of some kind, just as long as worrying about the mercury in it doesn't cause some kind of freak anxiety attack for you (it did look like the biggest cause for concern to me in this thread).

[Raineyrocks]

What kind of light bulb is the best?    I think from what I'm reading LED bulbs are, right?  What's the 2nd best if somebody can't afford the LEDs?

It is all about application, LED's still have notoriously bad color rendition... I used to use a LED flashlight when I worked as an HVAC tech. but I went back to incandescent after I miswired a furnace purely because the light made a wire's color look like a different color then when I put my spare incandescent light on it.

Incandescent lights are ok for smaller rooms or rooms that don't need a whole lot of light, however you are sacrificing efficiency of the light bulb and generating a lot of heat (bad in the summertime, not as bad in the winter) and you are stuck with a duller yellowish color.

In my opinion florescent light bulbs are the way to go (just don't break too many of them), nowadays you can get a tremendous variety of florescent bulbs/fixtures that can be used in almost all applications with about any color you want and you can even get electronic ballasts that start the bulbs up instantly and run them at a higher frequency (versus 60 hertz from magnetic ballasts) this eliminates any humming, flickering, or slow start up times down to 0 degrees F.

Another alternative I personally like (but has limited applications) is metal halide (HID) lighting, it is commonly used for grow lights or for aquariums because of how close it is to actual sunlight (high CRI rating) and is as efficient or slightly more efficient then T-8 florescent lighting, it's downfalls are that it takes about 5 minutes to turn on completely, they cost a little bit, and there is not an economical way to light up a room with a low ceiling with these lights.

Take your pick, the best buy is with out question a florescent light of some kind, just as long as worrying about the mercury in it doesn't cause some kind of freak anxiety attack for you (it did look like the biggest cause for concern to me in this thread).

Okay, thanks!