Comic book Liason?

[tracysaboe]

I spend a decent amount of time at DC, Top Cow, and other comic book message boards, and I tend to get into discussion with others about whether charactors actions were justified, etc. Typically, I find that I end up revealing myself be a libertarian -- and sometimes I even reveal that I'm an anarchist.

For instance, we were just discussing "green Arrow's leftist tendencies" And it seemed to be between people claling him Communist on one-side, and on the other complaining that, well at least he isn't a fascist like Bat-Man. It was your typically left/right false dichotomy double-think that our culture is so ingrained with, and I made the following post.

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desert, if he's pushing for "equality" then by definition that pretty much makes him a leftist.

Free people are not equal, and equal people are not free.

Actually, if he was more like Robinhood, in the sence that the original tale was one of stealing from the government to give it back to the peasents, that would be good. Because then all he'd be doing is returning stolen property back to it's rightful owner. But somewhere along the line, the Robinhood story got morphed into stealing from the rich and giving to the poor -- which is wrong. Theft is theft.

The playing field, is naturally unequal. Some people are stronger at certain things. Some people are better at certain things. Some people have more drive. If a person is highly wealthy, it's because he either a) earned it. b) it was given to him volentarily by somebody else who earned it, in which case the earner has a right to do whatever he wishes with those earnings. or c) it was stolen, or dependent on some government law to coeresively limit competition, or some other form of mercantilism/fascism/government-business colusion.

grandparocks: Ollie is correct about one thing, this anti-tough on crime thing. I'm all for being tough on crime myself. But that needs to be legitimate crime. Crime that actually victimizes somebody. Like Rape, theft, murder, etc. But most "conservatives" when they talk about being "tough on crime" are talking about increasing the fascist police state, by cracking down on drug dealers, prostitution rings, etc. All "crimes" that wouldn't be crimes is the state hadn't invented them. Perhaps such behavior is dispicable. but the government shouldn't be interfering in the volentary relationships that people develope or engage in. All "cracking down" on these sorts of "crimes" does, is create high profit margins, for violent black market cartells. Heck, as the most recent BAtMan Begins movie portrayed. PRohibition provides incentives for cops to be corrupt. How do you expect the government to "crack down" on that sort of thing, when the more "they" crack down, the more incentive their is for "them" to become dirty. Children used to be able to walk into a drug store and purchase opium for their mother. Coke used to have cocain in it. Sears used to sell Heroin. When these drugs were freely traded on the marketplace, the gang violence associated with the black market didn't exist. And frankly, their wasn't alot of wanton destruction and maytham caused by it. The "getting tough on crime" bit, has only caused more chaos, more murder, more theft, and more high profit margin black markets.

So, I'm not a leftist. And I don't particularily apreciate Ollies utopian rantings about "fairness" and "equality." But that doesn't mean I'm a "rightest" either, who thinks that we should be locking people up because they happen to smoke a joint of marijuana, or because they happen to provide it for somebody who desires it.

This is where both Hal and Ollie were each only half right. We should be respecting BOTH economic liberty AND personal liberty. Not one or the other.

Tracy

Edit: Perhaps "The Red hood" will be a "hero" who perhaps comes to an understanding of these sorts of nuances. He doesn't have a problem with selling drugs. Just don't sell to kids. etc. He should be a very interesting charactor to watch develope, regardless of whether he actually is Robin II or not.
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People who read comic books, are fairly deep thinkers -- if not a bit fantastical as well. I've been having discussions w/ people about the upcoming "V is for Vendetta" movie, and the Bat-Man charactor "Anarchy." In a top Cow forum about the Hunter-Killer comic, I asked "Why shouldn't super-powered beings be allowed to use their powers for their own personal gain. (As opposed to being hunted and killed if they get caught)" Really, I think She-Hulk, and a few lesser knowns in "Heros for Hire" actually used their super-powers in the market-economy, instead of being forced to be costumed vigilanties because the system screems "It's not fair!" Why shouldn't Spider-Girl be allowed to use her spider-agility on the basket-ball court, and why shouldn't Clark Kent be allowed to use his super-powers to play football? Lifes, not fair, and if a super-powered being can perform a task cheeper and better then anybody else, let him do it, so those of us who can't can be freed up to do more productive things we have a compairative advantage in.

Not, really sure how big of a market this is, but I'm finding that I'm having some very interesting discussions with a lot of interesting people, in many of these forums.

And, I'm thinking, I'm going to put FSP, and NHUnderground in my signiture line.

Just letting everybody know what I'm doing.

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

If we had a good artists, good script, and some good colourers, and font-writers, etc. We could probably get something published. We'd need to put our own team, together, but I could be something Image would be interested in publishing.

A sort of ComicBook, Superhero version of "The Golden Age" or something.

Unfortunitely, I just read comics, I'm not a good writer or an artist.

Tracy