Negotiating at gunpoint

[Tunga]

I thought it was 'turn the other cheek'.

Sticks and stones CAN break bones.

[Tunga]

I think what is so convienent for folks to forget is that Christ had a sword. He also insisted his brethern  be armed. He apparentlly had a good grasp of team unity and equal power shared among the many vs:" the state should be in charge".

He knew the value of his friends lives was worth the money needed to buy a decent weapon. Or about $500 in todays world.

Do you have anyone in your life worth more than $500?

[Eli]

I thought it was 'turn the other cheek'.

Don't bother Russell.  The bullet will do both cheeks at once.

[tracysaboe]

The rules of gunfighting have involved over the years. I like this list:

1. Be somewhere else.
2. If you can't be somewhere else, have a gun.
   2a. Be able to draw it.
   2b. Be reasonably proficient with it.
3. Convince the other guy(s) that you'd all be better off somewhere else.
4. This ain't Hollywood.

Do you mean evolved?
Tracy

[tracysaboe]

I thought it was 'turn the other cheek'.

That's a slapfight, not a gunfight. Works fine for smitin', not so good for shootin'.

(edit to add:)
Jesus's commandment to turn the other cheek was not a prohibition on self defense. A slap was gravest insult that could be given to a man, and would normally produce all sorts of retaliation. The command to turn the other cheek was a command to not return an insult, but to show everyone that it had no effect on you.

Kevin

Yup. A slap on the cheek was typically with the hand that was used for wiping yourself after a bowl movement. If somebody slapped you on the cheek it wasn't because they were endangering your lives. It was quite literally, just a slap on the cheek. The highest of insults. The closest thing in our society would probably be namecalling or something simular.

Tracy

[tracysaboe]

Those who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Most translations I've read actually state. "Those you live by the sword, will die by the sword." That's a little different.

"Living by the sword" is qualitatively different from "taking the sword."

Living by the sword would imply that your a warrior type mentality in which the sword is the only method you know to solve things. It's quite different from taking the sword every once in a while -- when there are no other solutions -- in an act of self defence.

Peter, in his lashing out, was behaving as though he believed the sword was the only solution.  As opposed to a mentality of having it there -- just in case -- and hoping he wouldn't have to use it.

Tracy

[KBCraig]

Do you mean evolved?
Tracy

I did. It's fixed now. Thanks!