Drug War Pledge

[Lloyd Danforth]

Yeah, like commit to take part in a 'smoke-in' on a specific date, or, when ya get 1000 taking the pledge

[lordmetroid]

I am against smoking because it ruins my air I try to bread when you are near me hence restricing me of where I can be. And second party smoker do get killed by breading in what they can not avoid.

Many crimes are commited while under the influence of mind altering substances so that should be proof enough of the heightened risk of abuse from my cocitizens. Not saying it's the drugs effect, just saying that people loose control over rationallity and hence creates shit upon me. If anyone want to use mind altering substances they can do it in their own personal sphere or privacy.

[d_goddard]

I am against smoking
If anyone want to use mind altering substances they can do it in their own personal sphere or privacy.

So, I assume you are fine with public consumption of LSD, cocaine, mushrooms, and pot brownies... none of which involve smoking or polluting the air?

[Dreepa]

Many crimes are commited

and when they commit THOSE crimes they should be punished.
But you can't say that because they smoke pot they will ...fill in the blank... steal, rape, murder etcetc.

[Quantrill]

But you can't say that because they smoke pot they will ...fill in the blank... steal, rape, murder etcetc.

Sure they will!  Haven't you seen the movie Reefer Madness?   

[maxxoccupancy]

Max ... what are you trying to accomplish with your pledge?  It's a little vague.  All you say in the pledge is that you will "work for an end to the drug war."  I think your pledge would be better if it named something specific that you will do to end it, and then try to recruit people to that idea ... rather than trying to get 99 people to work for some nebulous, generalized concept.

Legalization and harm reduction are two separate issues--I support both of these ideas.  Lots of people support legalization to some extent, but don't vote, or don't get involved.  They don't do anything.  This is a pledge getting more legalizers and non-legalizers to actually do something--work on reducing the damage caused by the drug war.  Drug raids, wrongful imprisonment (including of non users), racial profiling, corruption of police departments, higher crime rates, lost civil liberties, higher taxes, etc... the drug war itself is ruining people's lives.

This is a way to get libertarians and non-libertarians to see the damage being done by these policies--more importantly, to get more people to actively pursue this in America's state legislatures.  Already, ten people have signed up.  That's ten more people who are likely to actually do something, rather than just staying home and being upset.

And it draws some attention to the fsp.

--Max

[maxxoccupancy]

But you can't say that because they smoke pot they will ...fill in the blank... steal, rape, murder etcetc.

Sure they will!  Haven't you seen the movie Reefer Madness?   

I have reefer madness, and it is a lesson in lunacy--on the part of the producers.  Spain, Italy, Luxemburg, Portugal, Holland, Costa Rica, and a few other countries either tolerate or have decriminalized drugs--both the supply and the use.  All have seen their crime rates go down.

This pledge does not directly deal with the issue of decriminalization, but harm reduction.  Both are important goals, but getting people off of their fat asses to actually do something--now that is important.

Thousands of innocent bystanders have been killed in botched drug raids, high speed chases, gang violence, and higher crime rates.  Inner city neighborhoods have been turned upside down, and lives have been ruined.  Homes and businesses have been siezed without trial.

Please read my write up, and if you're still not convinced, check the links at the bottom of that page.

www.pledgebank.com/drugwar

--Max

[Fluff and Stuff]

Hey, I don't condone the use of drugs, either.  Drugs hurt the drug user, but the drug war is killing innocent bystanders.

I believe that using drugs only serves to boost the illegal drug industry and all of the corrupt government officials who are involved in it.  Buying drugs illegally only helps the criminals and officials who are getting rich off of all of this.

--Max

Drugs hurt people (usually only in the small percentage of cases when they are used wrong)?  Most drugs are designed to help people.  They cure cancer, make people live longer, make people more happy, make people feel less pain, etc.  I don't buy drugs illegally but I don't agree with your agreement, not at all.

[maxxoccupancy]

I am refering to the illegal ones, K&S.

--Maximus

[Dreepa]

I guess my question is two fold.

1.  100 and you have over a year to reach that goal?  Seems like a long time. Why long or so few?
2.  If someone signs the pledge what exactly are they supposed to do? There isn't a specific goal is there?

[MaineShark]

I am refering to the illegal ones, K&S.

A chemical compound's properties in relation to the biochemistry and biology of homo sapiens are changed as a result of its status, or lack thereof, as a prohibited substance under law?

Joe

[Lloyd Danforth]

Hey, I don't condone the use of drugs, either.  Drugs hurt the drug user, but the drug war is killing innocent bystanders.

I believe that using drugs only serves to boost the illegal drug industry and all of the corrupt government officials who are involved in it.  Buying drugs illegally only helps the criminals and officials who are getting rich off of all of this.

--Max

Drugs hurt people (usually only in the small percentage of cases when they are used wrong)?  Most drugs are designed to help people.  They cure cancer, make people live longer, make people more happy, make people feel less pain, etc.  I don't buy drugs illegally but I don't agree with your agreement, not at all.

While not the best thing, people can be addicted to drugs and still have fairly productive lives.  The harm done to the addict or user is having to pay 100 times the price the drugs  would be if legal, the poor of the ilegal drugs,  and, getting busted.  Legalize them and all this goes away.

[Forastero]

I am against smoking because it ruins my air I try to bread when you are near me hence restricing me of where I can be. And second party smoker do get killed by breading in what they can not avoid.

Many crimes are commited while under the influence of mind altering substances so that should be proof enough of the heightened risk of abuse from my cocitizens. Not saying it's the drugs effect, just saying that people loose control over rationallity and hence creates shit upon me. If anyone want to use mind altering substances they can do it in their own personal sphere or privacy.

So I assume your against all forms of smoking, not only illegal but cigarettes as well? And how about beer? Beer is as dangerous, if not more, than any illegal drug.

[lordmetroid]

As long as the practitioner of smoking whatever or drinking whatever or any other action that is associated to addictive or/and health degenerative substance doesn't effect me in any kind of way. Be it imposing on my health due to assault or passive participating in his action as with smoking. Or if I get to pay for damage that he does to the society or himself thru a strain on taxes or damage of my personal property. Then and only then I can accept his use.

I have no problem with people that drink alcohole having fun as long as I don't need to be injured financialy or personally by some agressive drunk. I drink for fun with friends but I drink responsibly and in a company which an agreement of having fun is the motivation and that there is no intent of doing anyone else any wrong exists.

I can not do that with tobac smoking. So I am definetly against that. More forgiving with other addictive substances that is more controllable or/and not passively damaging.