A Young Marine Speaks Out

[Tom Sawyer]

A Young Marine Speaks Out
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/martin-p1.html

I've gotten tired of the (supposed) patriotic letters from troops in Iraq that make the rounds of the internet...
My sense is that they are propaganda... perhaps generated by some desk jockey in the Pentagon, or maybe a Republican Party hack.

Anyway this letter makes me proud of this young Marine... he is sure to draw heat for publicly voicing his opinion.

[Tom Sawyer]

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A Young Marine Speaks Out
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/martin-p1.html

I've gotten tired of the (supposed) patriotic letters from troops in Iraq that make the rounds of the internet...
My sense is that they are propaganda... perhaps generated by some desk jockey in the Pentagon, or maybe a Republican Party hack.

Anyway this letter makes me proud of this young Marine... he is sure to draw heat for publicly voicing his opinion.

He obviously took his oath seriously...

"I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Note that to support and defend the Constitution is listed ahead of obeying orders... and the only orders you are obliged to obey are lawful orders.

United States Constitution
Article I, Section 8 Lists the powers of the Legislature.

The Congress shall have power...To declare war...

The Executive is not given the power to declare war, only the Legislature. However we have allowed our troops to be sent off to war many times in recent history without Congress declaring war.

[ninetales1234]

I was wondering what the oath was in its entirety. Very interesting. If that's all there is to it, then there must be a lot of military workers out there who haven't read the Constitution.

Harry Browne mentioned on one of his radio shows that we can't be angry at people who work for the military; they're not the bad guys, the gov't officials are. But, with this oath in existence you must wonder, are the military workers really blameless?

The Constitution, being the supreme law of the land, would suprcede any orders given out by someone in the military.

[Russell Kanning]

I agree. These men are killing people and are definitely not even fulfilling their oath.

[error]

You and I recognize the evil inherent in that oath (and the oath of citizenship over in another thread). Most people do not. Once most people do recognize the evil, we have won.

[jgmaynard]

But, with this oath in existence you must wonder, are the military workers really blameless?

"I was only following orders" is the Nuremburg defense.

It doesn't give someone free reign.

JM

[David]

But, with this oath in existence you must wonder, are the military workers really blameless?

"I was only following orders" is the Nuremburg defense.

It doesn't give someone free reign.

JM

Yup.  Hitlers luetenants hung in the wind following that defence.  It was the last triumph of natural law.  The natural of human rights trumps manmade law, and to violate your human responsibility by following manmade law does not exempt you from responsibility and guilt.  In english-murder of innoscents is wrong no matter what the leaders state in law.
It is sad (tradgedy really) that this concept was not taken, and ran with.  Imagine if this concept was applied consistantly and in every nation.  The world would be so different.   

[lordmetroid]

Interesting, one more oath that confirms my fears.

The president oath of office goes:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

For any other official representative the oath goes:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

The soldier's oath goes:
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

The bold part, definetly shows that you have become under the jurisdiction of the constitution. Something a normal sovereign person of the USA is not suppose to be as the constitution is there to regulate government's power.

And for any immigrant they will have to take this oath:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

If my suspicions are correct there has likely been no immigrants to the USA since sometime, all people becomming citizens are under the jurisdiction of the constitution and hence an agent of the government. Except for the "illegal" immigrants. Now isn't that something?

I wonder what has to be done in order to get the 14th Amendement declared unconstitutional. Something I really would like to get done! But considering how big interests there is in the 14th Amendement. IRS would not be existing as they can only tax the public commerse which is a creation of the state through it's entitys corporations which exists thanks to the 14th Amendement.