Sweden - Woman turned away by state doctor for being american

[davek]

If the goal is to win over an opponent, consider the possibility that being abrasive distracts from one's argument.  A little restraint may encourage an oponent to be more receptive.

Really. Well, that interesting when I don't find a lot of restraint on this board when people start whole threads calling others 'racists' do you?
That's a lefty tactic and I find THAT offensive when trying to win an argument that tactic is used.

I couldn't agree with you more.  People like that fail to win over both the person with whom they are debating AND those viewing the debate.  They, more than any others, could benefit from considering my first comment.

[TEBON]

TEBON lives in Massachusetts... he probably can't help himself. All that pent up frustration, it kind of makes you into a reactionary. "I know because these liberals around me are too sensitive I'll go in the opposite direction and be a crude dude."

That anger eats away at you... I've seen it in a lot of folks that feel stuck there.

I can't say I could disagree with you.   

[TEBON]

TEBON lives in Massachusetts... he probably can't help himself. All that pent up frustration, it kind of makes you into a reactionary. "I know because these liberals around me are too sensitive I'll go in the opposite direction and be a crude dude."

That anger eats away at you... I've seen it in a lot of folks that feel stuck there.

I find that a lot of younger people just can't escape the mind control tactics they were taught in the public schools and use them even when they are on the right side of things.
The brainwashing has become so de rigeur that they feel it's fair game in an argument to pull out the 'feelings' card.

In other words, you are wrong because you 'hurt my feelings', or you are a 'racist' or, 'you don't care about poor people'.

It's mind control, aimed at trying to make you feel guilty for your logic on how things should be when none of those issues are even part of it.

I don't like reading posts with the word he  mentioned but as I  said, he made his point and he made it well.
If it gets someone to thinking about what they have said that doesn't make sense....

the original point needs to be reiterated that the woman being refused medical care by a licensed physician based on the fact that she is an American, is wrong.

The second point was made that it is America's/George W. Bush's/Republicans/Rednecks fault that this man feels so strongly that he wouldn't put her under his care.  That is a very silly thing to be saying. It's not offensive, it's just plain old silly.  I just feel that those who would say this sort of thing would do everything they could to stop such atrocities from happening, so that this poor Doctor, who sitting in Sweeden, wouldn't have to have such a horrible life because of those damn Americans.  If you don't give everything you have then I guess it just isn't that important.  Stereotypical American revolutionary babble.  I wonder if it were an Israeli doctor if it would have been "America is hated because took over that poor Israel with our missiles and now we're holding them hostage. . .for OIL!"

[eques]

I understand that sometimes the point that's being made has to have some sort of visceral thrust which usually involves some sort of graphic imagery... after all, "coercion" has a particular dictionary definition, but it doesn't have the same punch as "theft" or "robbery" or "mafia-style protection." 

I have a tendency (perhaps far more than a tendency ) to be obnoxious, too... I guess it could get tiring after a while... but, then again, South Park is entering its tenth season now?  There are definitely times when being obnoxious is better than holding back...

Yeah, I'm not saying much of substance with this comment.  I'm posting it, but it's dreck. 

[Rosie the Riveter]

I love how our board members can really run with a topic 

[Rosie the Riveter]

if someone dies in Iraq, that's AMERICA's fault.  So you feel strongly about it?  Go over to Iraq and shoot our soliders.  Go blow up the Capitol. 

Hummm, TEBON....

[aworldnervelink]

the original point needs to be reiterated that the woman being refused medical care by a licensed physician based on the fact that she is an American, is wrong.

So Americans should be able to get medical care in Sweden, but Mexicans shouldn't be able to get jobs in America?

[CNHT]

So Americans should be able to get medical care in Sweden, but Mexicans shouldn't be able to get jobs in America?

I don't think anyone said Mexicans should not be able to get jobs. They do get free health care. It's a law that a hospital ER can't turn anyone away for lack of payment/insurance.

In the two instances I know of about Canada and this one in Sweden, I assume it not problematic for the patient paying for it themselves, which makes it even more egregious.

It was the doctor not liking the USA and taking it out on the woman. In Canada they did not care if you paid - you were not in the 'system' as a legal citizen so they did not want to treat you.

[burnthebeautiful]

Anyone can get medical care in Sweden, but I'm not sure how the payment for non citizens works. The article mentions something about the American woman being refunded for the equivalent of 130 dollars she payed, so I guess non-citizens pay. I'm not sure if there's a difference between EU citizens and people from outside the ey, and I'm not sure how they work out how much should be payed, since it's not a market. I know there was an issue recently where some of the most left-wing politicians were talking about how women from other countries should be allowed to get free (payed for by swedish taxpayers) abortions in Sweden. Something about abortions being illegal in some countries, so Sweden should help them. The discussions never resulted in any changes, as far as I know.

[CNHT]

Anyone can get medical care in Sweden, but I'm not sure how the payment for non citizens works. The article mentions something about the American woman being refunded for the equivalent of 130 dollars she payed, so I guess non-citizens pay. I'm not sure if there's a difference between EU citizens and people from outside the ey, and I'm not sure how they work out how much should be payed, since it's not a market. I know there was an issue recently where some of the most left-wing politicians were talking about how women from other countries should be allowed to get free (payed for by swedish taxpayers) abortions in Sweden. Something about abortions being illegal in some countries, so Sweden should help them. The discussions never resulted in any changes, as far as I know.

Well yeah that was MY gripe == they are even paying, not asking to get it free -- and being turned away? That's a violation of the Hippocratic Oath..
The person in Canada almost died because of an infection easily treated.

[lordmetroid]

On the other hand, I have had way too many bad experiences with doctors in New York. They seem to do everything they can to prolong treatement and do unecessary things. And my sister had an earinfection which she got some useless non-workingh anti-biotics for which the Swedish doctor asked if we had been to Spain because in Spain apperently people receive useless medication as well. Almost destroyed her ear and she was in severe pain for a long time thinking she had gotten sufficient treatement.

[TEBON]

the original point needs to be reiterated that the woman being refused medical care by a licensed physician based on the fact that she is an American, is wrong.

So Americans should be able to get medical care in Sweden, but Mexicans shouldn't be able to get jobs in America?

Well, yes to the first part, and no to the second.  I clearly stated numerous times that I'm fine with any legal immigration.  I think that you're comparing fish to dinnerforks if you're trying to compare medical care to a job.  Rather ridiculous. 

I think perhaps the government keep the criminal element out of the country, yeah.  I hear it now, the stoner voice saying "we don't believe in those laws maaan. . . those keep the poor man down maaan."  Well how does one explain the MS13?  Raped and dismembered some poor little 14 year olds in Mass, and they've got a reign of terror existing and thriving as we speak.  Yup, those are illegals and they're from El Salvador. 

You'd like, I'm sure, to think I'm being racist against hispanics.  That's usually where those people with your viewpoint try to take it.  I'm sure that would be a great comeback line if only I were sitting at an Au Bon Pan in Cambridge Square. . .

however, and you'd have to take my word, that if the entire southwest were being invaded by Russians, by Polish, by Irish, by whatever . . . I'd have the same problem with it.  Or we'd have a same problem with a different language and skin color.  It makes no difference.  It all goes back to America being supposed one and only place where one can come and live off everyone else, while hiding under the veil of being non-socialist and completely free.

[error]

Again, you misidentify the problem as immigration, when the problem is welfare.

[Rochelle]

Hah. Funny.

It seems though that the problem here is not that the Swedish National Health Care system would not treat her, but the doctor wouldn't just because he doesn't like Americans.

Let's just concentrate on the fact that she got treated, and even got her money back for the crappy treatment by the doctor.
Where as I went to Elliot Hospital in Manchester to the emergency room for an infection, spent 4 hours waiting for 5 minutes of treatment (I just needed a prescription; I knew what I had) and got charged $423 for it. Yea, there's something WRONG with our health care system.