Karma weirdness

[Lloyd Danforth]

You mean you don't put in a complaint every time that happens?

[CNHT]

Question - if your property line extends all the way up (as that's my understanding of the Courts' opinion) then how can airplanes, helicopters etc... fly over your property line without paying you for it? 

Dang I don't know, but don't tell the ASB or the BTLA, or they will dream up a new tax for you...sorta like the UN wanting to tax 'future space vehicles'!

[CNHT]

You mean you don't put in a complaint every time that happens?

Lloyd, don't you ever sleep? 

[toowm]

Question - if your property line extends all the way up (as that's my understanding of the Courts' opinion) then how can airplanes, helicopters etc... fly over your property line without paying you for it? 

You haven't homesteaded the sky with a castle, radio tower, space elevator, etc.

And even if you don't have zoning and tried, the air lanes were there first.

[KBCraig]

Government provided the skies?

You're right. Airlines are free to use the skies.

But as soon as they go Bingo, they're going to have to rely on some gummint-provided infrastructure.

"Closest available cow pasture" is not generally rated to handle 7xx Boeing products.

Kevin

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There's no reason that airport must be government-provided.

[Russell Kanning]

and they do pay for access to government run airports

[KBCraig]

There's no reason that airport must be government-provided.

There's no reason that roads must be government provided. Except that they are, and that eliminates the free market for competition.

Kevin

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Then you just get rid of the government.

P.S. Here's a little history of private toll roads in New Hampshire.

[KBCraig]

Then you just get rid of the government.

That's the goal, isn't it?

P.S. Here's a little history of private toll roads in New Hampshire.

Good info. Thanks!

[cathleeninnh]

fuel taxes my friend

Fuel taxes don't come anywhere close to the cost of building and maintaining roadways just for the truck traffic.

Some railroads bought their land. Some received it for free (along with other land for development), when all land was "free" during westward expansion. Very few miles of trackage came from eminent domain (mostly in the East). Then they had to build road beds, bridges, lay track, buy the motive power and rolling stock to service the territory. Then for all that investment, they're rewarded with a hefty tax bill for the "improved industrial land" for every mile of track. Oh, and they get to pay fuel taxes, too.

Trucks and airlines have government-provided infrastructure waiting for them to use. They just have to provide the vehicles and obtain enough cargo/passengers to pay the bills.

Kevin

I was wondering about this on our trip last week down south. The truck traffic on I90/84/81/77/85 far exceeded the auto traffic. If they outnumber us and their gas consumption far exceeds ours, then they must be paying loads more gas taxes. And don't they have other taxes/fees to pay? If it doesn't cover the cost of these roads, then something is seriously wrong with the fee structure.

Cathleen

[Lloyd Danforth]

Sort of parallels how private road pricing might be structured:  Weigh more....pay more

[Russell Kanning]

During a weekday morning or overnight on a lonely interstate .... almost all the traffic is big rigs. They get used to almost ignoring the cars and considering it their roads. 4 wheelers are just a bother.

Big rigs don't pay at the pump ... they pay by the mile in the states they drive. They fill out quarterly reports that go to each state. Even when I leased my truck, I had a company take care of those forms. Each state has its own prices ... and then I guess there would be fed stuff.

[Lloyd Danforth]

During a weekday morning or overnight on a lonely interstate .... almost all the traffic is big rigs. They get used to almost ignoring the cars and considering it their roads. 4 wheelers are just a bother.

Big rigs don't pay at the pump ... they pay by the mile in the states they drive. They fill out quarterly reports that go to each state. Even when I leased my truck, I had a company take care of those forms. Each state has its own prices ... and then I guess there would be fed stuff.

I remember discussing private roads many years ago.  One of the ideas was to charge less to all vehicles who use the road on the off  hours or non rush hours.  That limits the misery of rush hour and leads to customer satisfaction.