Unauthorized immigrating but then what?

[lordmetroid]

Marc Stevens the guy who wrote 'Adventures In Legal Land' really makes great points on the issue of citizenship and the state delusion. The logical conclusions one is forced to draw by the words which the bureaucrat themselves states regarding the topic of citizenship, is that there are no citizens. Hence there can be no state as a nation is a body politics and hence no nation. Just a bunch of people. I don't see how one can draw any other rational logical conclusion!

But this only lays the foundation to the problem of immigration. Because there are by defintion no citizens I can not morally become a citizen. But as commonly occurs when delusions is in use there is a paradox that I need to deal with and that is that the rest of the people don't accept me living in freedom and dis-illusion. The dis-illusioned action I ought to perform is to immigrate without any bureaucratic involvement. I don't have a problem with immigrating in that manner until I need the consent of bureucrats to perform my private-affairs as I would wish. Actions that would draw attention to me as a target. Such as not paying any taxes, travel where I want in the manner I want and demonstrate my greivence and affect opnions among men towards the bureaucratic thugs. Some very important things for me, I would not be able to do at all such as traveling back and forth continents(Something I wouldn't be able to do anyway as when the RFID passports are to put in use as I would refuse to utilise such papers)

Considering my status as immigrant I perceieve I would be subjected to a much greater risk due to the added hostility towards me as a person because of the imagined extra violations I have committed by moving in the eyes of the bureaucrats. As an immigrant I fear I would end up in a gitmo situation or get a ruby ridge treatement at worst or the very least be shipped back to Sweden through violent means to never be able to go back. Even if I become a citizen through the bureaucratic means I would still be afraid of doing as I would wish.

I am really finding myself in a grave dilemma;

• I can't morally become a citizen. Yet I desire to perform affairs that I need the bureaucrats consent to do.
• I can't move to USA without being treated as a criminal even though no one person's rights have been violated. But I have a need to come extent to be treated as a criminal.
• Even if I move I can not live in liberty and furthermore the atrocities of the bureaucrats of USA are far worse as of lately than the Swedish bureaucrats perform.

[Russell Kanning]

let's see ... the guys in ruby ridge and waco were all born here .... that didn't help any

[lordmetroid]

Na, unauthorized immigration ain't never going to work. I'll just immigrate the bureaucratic way and then work for liberty in the same manners as Ian Bernard by enlightening people and conducting my private affairs in the light of liberty.

[mvpel]

Maybe once we get the government out of the primary education business, we can move on to more knotty problems like roads and immigration.

Pick your battles, you can bet they do.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Na, unauthorized immigration ain't never going to work. I'll just immigrate the bureaucratic way and then work for liberty in the same manners as Ian Bernard by enlightening people and conducting my private affairs in the light of liberty.

Jump thru whatever hoops you have to, get to NH, and when they can't touch you, be yourself

[burnthebeautiful]

I would immigrate to NH if it were just a matter of filling out paper work and going to some interviews. But unfortunately it's not that easy, there isn't exactly a "shall issue" system for immigration.