Unintended Consequences

[cyberdoo78]

For me the "line" has been crossed. That is why I'm moving to New Hampshire. Thats why I'm willing to sell off all my shit down, pile my wife and 3 year old child into a 2004 Cheverolet Caviler and drive to New Hampshire from Alaska. I refuse to allow this monster called government to treat me as a slave.

I believe that in order for someone like myself to survive, and my family of wife and child, I must goto a place where others who are willing to risk their life for my securing my life, liberty, and property and where I would be willing to risk my life for them to do the same. To combine my effort with those who are willing to stand together and say, 'enough is enough' and to stand up against my government.

I would prefer that this be peacefully, however history shows us that my government does not agree to do things peacefully, so I must meet them on their terms. The only other options are to live as a slave in prision or accept my current place as a slave. These two options are not acceptible to me, and I would rather die, then I would live in either of these options.


I fully agree with penguins4me. My attitude is the same.

[penguins4me]

Whether it be sheer momentum, or because I am scared or lazy, I am still a participant in the system I no longer desire to take part in:

- I pay income taxes even though I disagree with most things my money is spent on, and vehemently disagree with several more things my money is spent on.
- I pay state taxes on and apply for licenses for things which I believe are a God-given, inherent right, inalienable and yet are being violated by the very act of being required to apply for such "papers".
- I've conceded all arguments the gov't has brought against me, paid their fines/bribes to allow me to go "free".
- I follow (most of) their arbitrary laws, both foolish, unconstitutional, and dangerous, as well as some which have been outright bought and paid for by certain private business entities.

All of which is designed to keep my own head beneath the notice of the masters so that I am generally free to indulge in what few liberties I have left... because I do not believe that there is anything to be gained from risking my life or remaining freedom at this juncture with what little would be accomplished.

Today, my lines in the sand are not much at risk of being crossed. I still have yet to reconcile my philosophy with the picture of reality I see forming in front of me, so I am not yet prepared to say "enough, no more" - unless violence visits itself upon me and I have no recourse but to submit to foul injustice and tyranny... or rebel.

All of which is useless and is not accomplishing anything. A more worthwhile strategy is to stand up and draw notice to the injustice, to draw others' attention to the abuses, and do something. DadaOrwell, Russell, Kat, error, the Browns, and all the others who work in similar ways and support eachother - that's the ideal.

Me, I'm just a chameleon.

[cyberdoo78]

I disagree with you penguins4me on what you are doing. As a believer in liberty, however, you have the freedom to do what you are doing.

I'm following the rules, more or less, now so as to have nothing stop to me from me getting to New Hampshire.

[Quantrill]

I still haven't read the book though first heard about it prolly 5 years ago.  From all accounts it sounds like something I would enjoy.

I'm not sure how the book ends (please don't ruin it for me!)  but I have one thought on the "line in the sand" dilemma -

After watching "V for Vendetta" and seeing how the cops/military eventually stand down (because they're not sure what to do) I realized that the only way for things to end peacefully is for the enforcers to quit doing things they know they shouldn't.  There will always be evil people trying to control others.  Always.  What they need are the enforcers who are just "doing their job".  If these guys had consciences and refused to shoot American citizens, and refused to break into peoples' houses in the middle of night wearing ski masks then things wouldn't be nearly as bad (we all hate taxes, but taxes alone are not what drove me to New Hampshire - the violence committed on our people by our people is what fueled my desire to move here).

Like Hitler said - "He who controls the youth, controls the future."  So let's refuse to let the government brainwash our children into thinking it's ok to kick in your neighbors' door at 3am and shoot them for trying to defend themselves...

[KBCraig]

After watching "V for Vendetta" and seeing how the cops/military eventually stand down (because they're not sure what to do) I realized that the only way for things to end peacefully is for the enforcers to quit doing things they know they shouldn't.  There will always be evil people trying to control others.  Always.  What they need are the enforcers who are just "doing their job".  If these guys had consciences and refused to shoot American citizens, and refused to break into peoples' houses in the middle of night wearing ski masks then things wouldn't be nearly as bad

Apparently, a lot of people enjoy that line of work.

Office of the Attorney General
Washington, D.C.
May 17, 2007

MEMORANDUM FOR ALL DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EMPLOYEES

FROM: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

SUBJECT: 2007 "Best Places to Work" in the Federal Government -- Results for DOJ

I am proud that the U.S. Department of Justice is ranked the fifth "Best Place to Work" in Federal Government out of 30 large federal agencies. I am also proud that eight DOJ components ranked in the top 30 of 222 federal subcomponents -- the Environmental and Natural Resources Division (#2); the Civil Division (#13); the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (#15); the Executive Office for United States Attorneys (#16); the Antitrust Division (#17); the Drug Enforcement Agency (#18); the Federal Bureau of Investigation (#25); and the Tax Division (#27).

[Quantrill]

 

[Pat McCotter]

After watching "V for Vendetta" and seeing how the cops/military eventually stand down (because they're not sure what to do) I realized that the only way for things to end peacefully is for the enforcers to quit doing things they know they shouldn't.  There will always be evil people trying to control others.  Always.  What they need are the enforcers who are just "doing their job".  If these guys had consciences and refused to shoot American citizens, and refused to break into peoples' houses in the middle of night wearing ski masks then things wouldn't be nearly as bad

Apparently, a lot of people enjoy that line of work.

Office of the Attorney General
Washington, D.C.
May 17, 2007

MEMORANDUM FOR ALL DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE EMPLOYEES

FROM: THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

SUBJECT: 2007 "Best Places to Work" in the Federal Government -- Results for DOJ

I am proud that the U.S. Department of Justice is ranked the fifth "Best Place to Work" in Federal Government out of 30 large federal agencies. I am also proud that eight DOJ components ranked in the top 30 of 222 federal subcomponents -- the Environmental and Natural Resources Division (#2); the Civil Division (#13); the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (#15); the Executive Office for United States Attorneys (#16); the Antitrust Division (#17); the Drug Enforcement Agency (#18); the Federal Bureau of Investigation (#25); and the Tax Division (#27).

Where did BoP fall in the rankings, KB?

[KBCraig]

Where did BoP fall in the rankings, KB?

Well, let's put it this way: they didn't even mention it.

Seriously, I don't know. That memo from the AG was on the front page of our intranet today. I deleted all the rah-rah-rah, "Aren't you lucky to work here!" stuff.

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I still haven't read the book though first heard about it prolly 5 years ago.  From all accounts it sounds like something I would enjoy.

Well go pick it up off the bookshelf where I left it when I finished it! And put it back when you're done.