Secession and Reform

[BillKauffman]

I'm also a fan of the American Indian, if you're not using it, why is it your land thing, but that doesn't fly today for  alot of reasons.

I submit where we are now could be a transitional stepping stone back to a feudal system where the average person "owns" nothing and is merely a tenant.

How do you explain Hong Kong? Nobody owns their own land, it is all leased, yet they consistently score near the top on all the economic freedom indexes.

[dalebert]

I'm also a fan of the American Indian, if you're not using it, why is it your land thing, but that doesn't fly today for  alot of reasons.

Without a state, I think the various notions of property will tend to result in a reasonable commonality ending up somewhere in between the radical ends of the scale, i.e. somewhere between "stick a flag in it and you own it" and "you can't own anything and it stops being your property the moment you stop actively using it". I think both sides have something to contribute to the debate and these issues will find their reasonable boundaries by interactions in the free market including free courts, DROs, etc. This might upset some of the more intense property rights people, but I think it's the reality. There are hard principles but no hard lines in reality. The state merely makes arbitrary lines seem hard by the constant threat of force to back up their decrees.

[Pat McCotter]

How do you explain Hong Kong? Nobody owns their own land, it is all leased, yet they consistently score near the top on all the economic freedom indexes.

So who are they leasing from - there are the owners.

[John Edward Mercier]

Many NA tribes were not agricultural, so actual 'homesteading' didn't occur.
The current system works, and would work without the government-ownership of property.
Many homeowner/condo associations have common property... and many partnerships have collective property.