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SOS: Gunsmiths you may need a firearm manufacture license!

Started by doobie, August 17, 2008, 06:11 PM NHFT

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doobie

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/081508manufacturing-of-firearms.pdf

>:( Of course it's the government they can change their regulations at any time.

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8. A gunsmith regularly buys military-type firearms, Mausers, etc., and
"sporterizes" them for resale.
The gunsmith is in the business of manufacturing firearms and should be licensed
as a manufacturer.

9. A gunsmith buys semiautomatic pistols and modifies the slides to accept a
new style of sights. The sights are not usually sold with these firearms and
do not attach to the existing mounting openings. The gunsmith offers these
firearms for sale.
This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should
be licensed as a manufacturer.

14. A company produces firearms or firearm receivers and sends the
firearm/receivers out for colorizing (bluing, camouflaging, phosphating, or
plating) and/or heat treating. Do the companies performing the colorization
and/or heat treating need to be licensed as manufacturers, and are the
companies required to place their markings on the firearm?
ATF has determined that both colorization and heat treating of firearms are
manufacturing processes. The companies performing the processes are required
to be licensed as manufacturers. If the companies providing colorization and/or
heat treating have not received variances to adopt the original manufacturer's
markings, they would be required to place their own markings on any firearm on
which they perform the manufacturing process of colorization and/or heat
treating.


Dylboz

BATF's stated mission (in some internal memo, not for public release... I'll try and dig it up) is to criminalize almost every aspect of gunsmithing and reloading so as to take it entirely out of the hands of the average guy in his garage. It isn't rocket science to do this stuff yourself, but if you are forced to depend on a manufacturer who has to pay a hefty license fee and is registered with the government in every way, with complete records of whatever they've done for whom and when they did it, etc. then they don't have to go very far to upend the whole industry, to cut off supplies to the average gun owner and quash any attempts to amass sufficient quantities of ammunition or improved weapons for resistance to, say, martial law.

They can't get gun registration through the front door, so they sneak around back by making all these registration and licensing and record-keeping requirements for dealers and manufacturers and retail sellers. I say, take full advantage of the so-called gun show "loophole" for as long as you can. I do private sales only. There is no paperwork required, only that the seller does not knowingly transfer a weapon to a prohibited possessor. A bill of sale is recommended for your personal records, but there is no law requiring it, nor must you file it with anyone. If they don't have a record of what you have, they wont know to come and get it from you when the shit hits the fan, like Katrina and Greensborough showed us they want to.

You know, they gave us a little gift right there, though it was no such thing for the victims, of the theft. Now the statists can't sneer at us and say "you're paranoid, they're not going to come and seize your guns." Well, yes, actually, they will, any chance they get. I just wish that a few of those "cold, dead hands" types would back up all that tough talk with some effective action. I guess they wont because most of them are hardcore state worshipping uniform fetishists, and just can't believe their precious America could do them like that...

grasshopper

  This means you DO THE WORK YOURSELF!  Or, if you are a dealer, sell the firearm and then do the work.  You are not converting.  Not to mention that the definition of a firearm is the frame, this is going to be an intersting legal battle.
  Screw em, this is evidence they are trying to encite violance. I'm afrade that it will also.

KBCraig

As I understand it, this only applies to those who are already licensees. The reason is money: A gunsmith who has his Type 01 FFL (dealer license, $200 fee) would have to add the Type 07 (manufacturer) for another $150, plus a "Special Occupational Tax" of $500 a year for sales under $500,000 or $1,000 if revenues are over that amount.

Plus, if they "manufacture" (under this spurious new standard) more than 50 guns a year, they have to collect/pay an excise of 10% for handguns or 11% for long guns, retroactive to the first sale.

PattyLee loves dogs

QuoteATF has determined that both colorization and heat treating of firearms are
manufacturing processes.

I guess painters are architects, and freezing peas is farming.

grasshopper


doobie

Quote from: KBCraig on August 18, 2008, 08:00 PM NHFT
As I understand it, this only applies to those who are already licensees. The reason is money: A gunsmith who has his Type 01 FFL (dealer license, $200 fee) would have to add the Type 07 (manufacturer) for another $150, plus a "Special Occupational Tax" of $500 a year for sales under $500,000 or $1,000 if revenues are over that amount.

Plus, if they "manufacture" (under this spurious new standard) more than 50 guns a year, they have to collect/pay an excise of 10% for handguns or 11% for long guns, retroactive to the first sale.


I heard they are actually raising their manufacture fees...  something like 2250/year, not to mention the bond requirements, etc.

grasshopper


Luke S

Quote from: Dylboz on August 18, 2008, 10:16 AM NHFT
I just wish that a few of those "cold, dead hands" types would back up all that tough talk with some effective action.

What do you mean, "effective action"?

grasshopper

  Lets not incite violence.  I'll not be part of it.
  Effective action?  Like letting a JUDGE read the law and screw the BATFE.
  They suck, we know it, they know it but they have to up the anti because not enough FFL holders are braking the law.  So, I guess the BATFE officers are going to be getting work done on they're conficscated firearms to entrap FFL holders thus stripping them of their lisence. >:( God give us strength!