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Amish Homeowners Argue Religion Trumps Building Codes

Started by Pat McCotter, December 15, 2008, 06:37 AM NHFT

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Pat McCotter

Amish Homeowners Argue Religion Trumps Building Codes

Saturday , December 13, 2008
AP

TOWN OF FRANKLIN, Wis. —
Daniel Borntreger's home looks like hundreds of other Wisconsin farmhouses: two-story A-frame, porch, clothes on the line.

But his home could cost him thousands of dollars in fines. Borntreger, an Amish farmer, built the house himself according to Amish tradition — but without a building permit.

His case is among at least 18 legal actions brought against Amish residents in Wisconsin and New York in the past year and a half for building without proper permits, according to court records, attorneys and advocates for the Amish.

The cases have sparked local debates about where religion ends and government begins. Amish advocates — the Amish religion precludes them from defending themselves physically or legally — argue the Amish belief that they must live apart from the world trumps local regulations.

"The permit itself might not be so bad, but to change your lifestyle to have to get one, that's against our convictions," Borntreger said as he sat in his kitchen with his wife, Ruth.

But local authorities say the Amish must obey the law.

"They just go ahead and don't listen to any of the laws that are affecting anybody else. It's quite a problem when you got people next door required to get permits and the Amish don't have to get them," said Gary Olson, a county supervisor in central Wisconsin's Jackson County, where Borntreger lives.

The Amish emigrated from central Europe to Pennsylvania in the early 1700s. Also known as the "Plain People," the Amish believe they must live a simple, nonviolent life. Many reject electricity, indoor plumbing and cars.

In Pennsylvania, home to a large Amish population, more liberal-leaning congregations have lobbied successfully for exemptions in the state building code, including permission to forego electricity and quality-graded lumber, said Frank Howe, chairman of the board of supervisors in Leacok township in Lancaster County.

Officials try to keep the Amish informed about what they can and can't do, and most conform, Howe said. He didn't believe his board had ever taken an Amish resident to court over building violations.

"You try to work with both sides," Howe said. "(We tell them) this is what we need you to do so everyone can go home and relax."

The Amish population has nearly doubled in the U.S. over the last 15 years, growing to 227,000 this year, according to estimates from Elizabethtown College's Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies. As the Amish look for new farmland, conservative congregations have migrated into states that haven't seen them before, said Karen Johnson-Weiner, an Amish expert at the State University of New York at Potsdam.

That sets up conflict between building officials with little experience dealing with their beliefs and conservative Amish who aren't familiar with the codes or don't want to compromise, Johnson-Weiner said.

Municipal attorneys in Hammond, a town of about 300 people in upstate New York, cited Joseph Swartzentruber and Henry Mast in August for building houses without a permit. That case is pending. Hammond attorney Fred Paddock declined to comment.

In Morristown, a town of about 450 people just north of Hammond, town attorney Andrew Silver has brought 13 actions against the Amish for not abiding by building codes. They're pending, too.

Silver declined comment except to say the town is treating the Amish as it would any homeowner who violates building codes.

In Wisconsin, authorities in Black River Falls, a city of 3,600 people about 130 miles northwest of Madison, have filed at least four cases against area Amish involving permit violations.

One action ended in April when a judge fined Samuel S. Stoltzfus $9,450 for building a house and driveway without permits. In July the same judge levied a $10,600 fine against Daniel Borntreger. Another pending action accuses Samuel F. Stolzfus of building two houses without permits.

Stoltzfus believed signing a permit would amount to lying because he wouldn't follow parts of the code that violate his religion, said Robert Greene, an attorney with the National Committee for Amish Religious Freedom, which has intervened in his case.

Custom-built homes are allowed in Wisconsin as long as the plans meet code standards, but apparently the Amish don't understand that, said Paul Millis, the attorney suing the Amish in Jackson County. The Town of Albion, where Samuel F. Stolzfus lives, waived a requirement that permits be signed so the Amish could avoid violating their religious beliefs, but they still won't comply, he said.

Attorneys acting on behalf of the Amish argue they have a constitutional right to religious freedom. They don't have to conform to building regulations that require them to use architectural drawings, smoke detectors, quality-graded lumber and inspections, Steve Ballan, an assistant public defender assigned to the Amish in Morristown wrote in court documents.

"They should be allowed to practice their religion and their religious traditions without interference from the government," he said in an interview.

The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which has taken up the Amish's cause in Hammond, plans to file a federal lawsuit in New York in the next few weeks arguing that.

The Amish advocates have a strong argument, said University of Michigan law professor Douglas Laycock.

The government must show a strong reason why regulations outweigh religious freedoms, he said. Building officials argue permits and codes ensure structural safety, but Amish homes aren't falling down, he said.

"People aren't getting hurt," he said.

Russell Kanning


Porcupine_in_MA

Fools. Don't they know government is the most important thing there is in this world?

AntonLee

guess those amish haven't figured out that government is god

wait. . .

KBCraig

Quote
But local authorities say the Amish must obey the law.

"They just go ahead and don't listen to any of the laws that are affecting anybody else. It's quite a problem when you got people next door required to get permits and the Amish don't have to get them," said Gary Olson, a county supervisor in central Wisconsin's Jackson County, where Borntreger lives.

"It's not fair! We have to do this, why shouldn't they?!" (stamps feet)


QuoteCustom-built homes are allowed in Wisconsin as long as the plans meet code standards, but apparently the Amish don't understand that, said Paul Millis, the attorney suing the Amish in Jackson County.

I'm sure they understand. They just don't care. And why should they?

Oh, right, those Amish are infamous for shoddy construction and lax standards of craftsmanship. I'm amazed they've survived in snow country for all these centuries, what with their houses and barns collapsing left and right.

Porcupine_in_MA

Quote from: KBCraig on December 15, 2008, 10:45 AM NHFT
Quote
But local authorities say the Amish must obey the law.

"They just go ahead and don't listen to any of the laws that are affecting anybody else. It's quite a problem when you got people next door required to get permits and the Amish don't have to get them," said Gary Olson, a county supervisor in central Wisconsin's Jackson County, where Borntreger lives.

"It's not fair! We have to do this, why shouldn't they?!" (stamps feet)


QuoteCustom-built homes are allowed in Wisconsin as long as the plans meet code standards, but apparently the Amish don't understand that, said Paul Millis, the attorney suing the Amish in Jackson County.

I'm sure they understand. They just don't care. And why should they?

Oh, right, those Amish are infamous for shoddy construction and lax standards of craftsmanship. I'm amazed they've survived in snow country for all these centuries, what with their houses and barns collapsing left and right.


We live in a nation of laws!

AntonLee


MaineShark

Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 15, 2008, 06:37 AM NHFT"They just go ahead and don't listen to any of the laws that are affecting anybody else. It's quite a problem when you got people next door required to get permits and the Amish don't have to get them," said Gary Olson, a county supervisor in central Wisconsin's Jackson County, where Borntreger lives.

Yeah, I can see where he's coming from - double standards are bad.

So, there are two possible ways to eliminate the double standard:

1. Harass the Amish equally to the level that you harass the rest of the population.

2. Don't harass the Amish, and also don't harass the rest of the population.

I imagine that would have occurred to Olson, if his complaint was actually the existence of a double standard, but his complaint is really that there are folks who don't want to be harassed, so the idea of not harassing folks just doesn't occur to him.

Joe

Porcupine_in_MA

Quote from: MaineShark on December 17, 2008, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: Pat McCotter on December 15, 2008, 06:37 AM NHFT"They just go ahead and don't listen to any of the laws that are affecting anybody else. It's quite a problem when you got people next door required to get permits and the Amish don't have to get them," said Gary Olson, a county supervisor in central Wisconsin's Jackson County, where Borntreger lives.

Yeah, I can see where he's coming from - double standards are bad.

So, there are two possible ways to eliminate the double standard:

1. Harass the Amish equally to the level that you harass the rest of the population.

2. Don't harass the Amish, and also don't harass the rest of the population.

I imagine that would have occurred to Olson, if his complaint was actually the existence of a double standard, but his complaint is really that there are folks who don't want to be harassed, so the idea of not harassing folks just doesn't occur to him.

Joe

The idea of just not having government or having government involvement just doesn't even reach into most folk's minds.

MaineShark

Quote from: Porcupine on December 17, 2008, 09:18 AM NHFTThe idea of just not having government or having government involvement just doesn't even reach into most folk's minds.

Indeed.

Some (like the Amish) believe that violence is never acceptable.

Others (like myself) believe that violence is only acceptable in self-defense, and should be a last resort.

And still others (like the folks in this article) believe that violence should be the first thing tried.

It's a sad world.  Wars and such are horrible, but at least we can say, "well, this is a major clash of ideologies, and it's no wonder that some hotheads turned it violent."  It's the "little things" like this which really speak to how very far we have to go in teaching the general public.  When aggressive violence is seen as the appropriate response to even minor disagreements, that speaks more to the state of society, than if it is only a resort for major ones.

Joe

neggy

They need to call it a church with pastors housing included.

Look at the Mormon Temple in Belmont MA, they told the town to go pound sand when the steeple they proposed was way taller than local zoning allowed, and they won. Laws that apply to you and me do not apply to church structures.

Sam A. Robrin

Quote from: neggy on December 17, 2008, 10:36 AM NHFT
They need to call it a church with pastors housing included.

Look at the Mormon Temple in Belmont MA, they told the town to go pound sand when the steeple they proposed was way taller than local zoning allowed, and they won. Laws that apply to you and me do not apply to church structures.

Well, that made a little light bulb go on over my head--though perhaps a sunbeam would be more appropriate . . . !

David

Some Amish groups, as there are several different types, have no established churches.  A few weeks of the year the community will hold church services at someones house, then move on to someone elses house.  So literally in some Amish communities, every house is a church. 

coffeeseven

If the Amish don't recognize the authority of codes and regs why would they recognize the resulting fine as something they have to pay?