The Libertarian Paradox?

[John Edward Mercier]

Well, I guess North Korea must be in charge now... because it pretty much tells the US how much Aid its going to get... and openly ignores anything the US claims, including USD.

With Obama being tall as compared to Kim, that low a bow has got to be bad for the back.

[violence]

democracy is a joke and does not work

[Russell Kanning]

so vexer .... I guess you like democracy .... none of the rest of seem to
the us government is selling democracy to people ... we are not buying
no contradiction here
I agree with everything that PatM wrote

[BillKauffman]

A constitutional republic with some democratic aspects is different then a pure democracy.

We have a constitution and a bill of rights so in our system of governance we are suppose to be guided by "rule of law" to protect minority interests and both horizontally (executive, legislative, and judiciary) and vertically (locally, state, and national) disperse power (federalism and checks and balances) rather than "rule of man" based on majority rule (democracy).

[leetninja]

a poem:

Troll sat alone on his seat of stone,
And munched and mumbled a bare old bone;
For many a year he had gnawed it near,
For meat was hard to come by,
Done by! Gum by!
In a cave in the hills he dwelt alone,
And meat was hard to come by.

Up cam Tom with his big boots on.
Said he to Troll: "Pray, what is yon?
For it looks like the shin o' my uncle Tim,
As should be a-lyin' in the graveyard.
Caveyard! Paveyard!
This many a yea Tim been gone,
And I thought he were lyin' in the graveyard."

"My lad," said Troll, "This bone I stole.
But what be bones that lie in a hole?
Thy nuncle was dead as a lump o' lead,
Afore I found his sihinbone.
Tinbone! Thinbone!
He can spare a share for poor old troll,
For he don't need his shinbone."

Said Tom: "I don't see why the likes o' thee
Without axin' leave should go makin' free
With the shank or the shin o' my father's kin;
So hand the old bone over!
Rover! Trover!
Though dead he be, it belongs to he,
So hand the old bone over!"

"For a couple o' pins," says Troll, and grins,
"I'll eat thee too, and gnaw thy shins.
A bit o' fresh meat will go down sweet!
I'll try my teeth on thee now.
Hee now! See now!
I'm tired o' gnawing old bones and skins;
I've have a mind to dine on thee now."

But just as he thought his dinner was caught,
He found his hands had hold of naught.
Before he could mind, Tom slipped behind,
And gave him the boot to larn him.
Warn him! Darn him!
A bump o' the boot on the seat, Tom thought,
Would be the way to larn him.

But harder than stone is the flesh and bone
Of a troll that sits in the hills alone.
As well set your boot to the mountain's root,
For the seat of a troll don't feel it.
Peel it! Heal it!
Old Troll laughed, when he heared Tom groan,
And he knew his toes could feel it.

Tom's leg is game, since home he came,
And his bootless foot is lasting lame;
But Troll don't care, and hes still there
With bone he boned from its owner.
Doner! Boner!
Troll's old seat is still the same,
And the bone he boned from it's owner!

[vexer]

Mr. Dean,

This was my fundamental failing back when I considered myself a liberal. I confused "government" and "society".

M. Dean, my entire  point is that government IS society. If you have time, read some of  my opening posts.


Mr. Canning,

so vexer .... I guess you like democracy ...

I was just seeing what you-all had to say about it.

[vexer]

"leetninja", if a moderator tells me to go away, I will. I will. Until that happens, why don't you away.

[Ogre]

So, vexer, have you watched the video I suggested yet?

[Isophix]

Vexer:

There is right and wrong, then there is legal and illegal.

These two things are entirely separate.

Right and Wrong, as well as Moral and Immoral, are descriptions of acts, defined by one's own consciousness.

Legal and Illegal are descriptions of acts, as defined by Law.

What may be "right" for you may be "wrong" for me. Maybe you have no problems with raping another person, and it is "right" to you. That is something that only you can decide, by your own consciousness.

What is Legal and Illegal is different, and defined differently in each set of law.

Things can be Right, and Illegal. Things can be Wrong, and Legal.

In the end, it comes down to this: Only you can decide what your actions are, and if they are Right/Wrong - Moral/Immoral. What society decides is Legal and Illegal has nothing to do with it.

[tracysaboe]

Government is not society.

Government is the part of society that is a parasitic gang of thugs that subjugates, steals, kidnaps, and otherwise aggresses against the rest of society.

Tracy