At first I thought this might be "the microchip" but now I'm not sure, is it?

[Raineyrocks]

Whole article/thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496625/pg1

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.


The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ''(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ''(B) In this paragraph, the term 'data' refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...




Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency
transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."



This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.


SOURCE: www.opencongress.org...

[Raineyrocks]

Is the Above Top Secret, a good site for information?  Under another source I found this:
Here's the bill HR 3200, which section is this under?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

Found it. Sec. 2521 (g)(1)A. + B.) i, ii

Quote:
`National Medical Device Registry

`(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the `registry') to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--

`(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

`(B) is--

`(i) a class III device; or

`(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.


Which doesn't appear to specify "the chip". 

[Pat McCotter]

This is a general National Medical Device Registry the government (FDA) has been trying to put into effect. It includes all implantable devices like hips, knees, hearts, etc. Yes, it would include RFID chips that are implantable.

House Health Reform Bill Calls For Sweeping National Device Registry

Medical device manufacturers are trying to prevent the creation of a National Medical Device Registry as proposed in a health care reform bill introduced in the House July 14.

The device registry requirement is buried within America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (H.R. 3200), introduced July 14 by Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., and the chairmen of three House committees with jurisdiction over health policy.

The registry would list devices by type, model and serial number or other unique identifier. It is intended to help HHS assess the post-market safety and effectiveness of all class III devices, and all class II devices that are implantable, life-supporting or life-sustaining, according to the bill.

The registry, to be established by HHS, would link data provided by manufacturers to FDA with outcomes data from multiple sources.

The outcomes data would be drawn from Medicare claims data, patient survey data, electronic health records, and standardized analytic files maintained by CMS and the Department of Veterans Affairs. It could also come from private databases, such as pharmaceutical purchase and insurance claims data.

The registry data and analyses would be made available to the public without revealing private patient data or proprietary information, the bill states.

The bill also authorizes HHS to require device makers to submit "such other information as is necessary to facilitate post-market assessments of device safety and effectiveness and notification of device risks."

According to AdvaMed staff, the devices covered in the proposed registry might include "every staple and every suture," as well as thousands of life-supporting or life-sustaining devices, such as defibrillators or stents.

AdvaMed CEO Stephen Ubl said July 15 the data captured by the registry would be "too broad," of questionable utility and "redundant with existing FDA post-market authorities and initiatives."

Elaborating further, Tara Federici, AdvaMed VP, technology and regulatory affairs, said that meeting the data requirements for the registry would be "expensive for the manufacturer, expensive for the hospital and for the provider, assuming they get around to filling in this data."

Federici acknowledged that registry data on certain devices can be useful.

"I don't think we would dispute that," she said.

But she added that several device types already have registries, including drug-eluting stents and left ventricular assist devices.

AdvaMed also points to the FDA's Sentinel Initiative and the MedWatch adverse event reporting program as existing sources of data.

Federici questioned the utility of the proposed all-encompassing registry. "Why do we need this data? What is the utility, and what does the data serve? How is it helping patients or providers make better decisions?"

Although government-mandated registries to monitor and learn about real-world experiences with medical technology are not new, the breadth of the device registry proposed in the House bill is unprecedented.

Currently, CMS uses the National Oncologic PET Registry (NOPR) to assess the impact of positron emission tomography on cancer patient management. And just two weeks ago, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality announced plans to create a registry for orthopedic devices, drugs and procedures (1 'The Gray Sheet' July 13, 2009).

In addition, lawmakers in the House are considering the National Knee and Hip Replacement Registry Act, which would create a nine-year knee and hip replacement registry within the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.

- Sue Darcey

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Actually, I just Googled "Class II Implantable Device" and the result, from the FDA's own website, talks SPECIFICALLY about implantable RFID chips used to store patient data.

To be honest, I'm more concerned with the central database than the chip itself.

[Raineyrocks]

Aren't there specualtions that "the chip" could possibly control someone's behavior, also?

[littlehawk]

Yes Miss Rainey, chips have caused me to become addictive. I eat one Lays potato chip and I must eat the whole bag. Can you help?

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Aren't there specualtions that "the chip" could possibly control someone's behavior, also?

There is no such thing as mind control.

RFID implants are safe. There's NOTHING about the implant that should alarm anybody. It's the FORCE that tags along with EVERYTHING that is the problem. RFID implants have been used voluntarily by market players for years.

[Raineyrocks]

Yes Miss Rainey, chips have caused me to become addictive. I eat one Lays potato chip and I must eat the whole bag. Can you help?

Of course I can!  Put the potato chips down and start smoking cigarettes instead! 

See why, no one really asks for advice? 

[EthanLeeVita]

Now I'm curious about your advice to stop smoking? Take up heroin? How does one stop being a heroin-addict?

[Raineyrocks]

Now I'm curious about your advice to stop smoking? Take up heroin? How does one stop being a heroin-addict?

Okay, I was just joking but I'll answer your question with more crappy advice. 

Don't ever quit smoking, then you don't have to worry about quitting heroin. 

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Heroin isn't as addictive as people think.

My dad smoked crack. He said it was easier to quit that cigarettes.

[EthanLeeVita]

I was joking too And I'll be sure to follow advice, start smoking, and then never stop!

P.S. You are the last person I'm replying to on either NHUnderground or FreeKeene for the next 2-4 days as I hitchhike down to TN. Feel special rainey

[Raineyrocks]

I was joking too And I'll be sure to follow advice, start smoking, and then never stop!

P.S. You are the last person I'm replying to on either NHUnderground or FreeKeene for the next 2-4 days as I hitchhike down to TN. Feel special rainey

I do feel special, thanks and becareful!