Useful CivDis Tips from Commies

[PowerPenguin]

Every once in a while, the non state socialists take a break from stealing and vandalizing to come up with some very useful information. They are a quality, not quantity bunch... Anyway, I was just browsing around keeping tabs on them, as I do about once per year, and I found this: http://www.crimethinc.com/a/direct_action/direct_action.pdf. It is a 3 page PDF with some good points about successful activism. Their social/econ views may be off, but at least they have some good civdis ideas.

[Francois Tremblay]

It's not really anything I haven't seen before... and mostly discusses organizational things that are pretty obvious. The lefties' problem is that they have no concrete plan to get from A to B- they think that protests and subversion will still work like it used to, but they have no cause that rallies tens of thousands of people like labour protests used to.

[PowerPenguin]

No kidding. I just posted this as just one more reference. There ARE some CD newbies here I'm sure that could benefit.

[TylerM]

Got to love, CrimeThinc. Even though I had one of their contributors inform my on a discussion group that after the revolution I am to be shot. 

[PowerPenguin]

GJ. My question is, where do they get the $ for all that printing, warehouse storage, and at least two office/drop box locations? My thought is that they stole it all,  but that could only go on for so long w/out the monopoly of force right?

[EthanAllen]

It's not really anything I haven't seen before... and mostly discusses organizational things that are pretty obvious. The lefties' problem is that they have no concrete plan to get from A to B- they think that protests and subversion will still work like it used to, but they have no cause that rallies tens of thousands of people like labour protests used to.

Most left anarchists in the US believe in some version of a gradualist "dual power" or "counter economics" strategy to build the new anti-authoritarian society in the shell of the old.

[Francois Tremblay]

Oh, not just the lefties, agorists also are very big on counter-economics.

[EthanAllen]

Oh, not just the lefties, agorists also are very big on counter-economics.

Agorists are lefties (left-libertarians).

[Francois Tremblay]

"Left-libertarians" are not actually lefties in the common sense of the term. They use "left" in a different way to mean complete freedom.

Semantics in politics is a minefield...

[EthanAllen]

"Left-libertarians" are not actually lefties in the common sense of the term. They use "left" in a different way to mean complete freedom.

Semantics in politics is a minefield...

No they use "left" to separate themselves from mainstream libertarians (little "l") who mostly seem to argue for a free market ideology in defense of economic inequality. Their ideal 'free market' society seems to be  actually existing capitalism, minus the regulatory and welfare state. In other words, a hyper-thyroidal version of nineteenth century, robber-baron capitalism.

Also, they call into question non-proviso Lockean property rights.

[lildog]

It's not really anything I haven't seen before... and mostly discusses organizational things that are pretty obvious. The lefties' problem is that they have no concrete plan to get from A to B- they think that protests and subversion will still work like it used to, but they have no cause that rallies tens of thousands of people like labour protests used to.

The problems with the political left isn't that they have no causes, the problem is they cannot be open about most of their causes because they know people, if they knew what they were, would reject them.  So the only causes the left can push that people get behind are when they bash the right keeping their own ideals and causes undiscussed.  2006 was the perfect example of this... they bashed the right and harped on the problems on the right enough to get people to vote against the right but at the same time people didn't realize that what they were getting in people like Carol Shea Porter was 100% worse then anything wrong with the right.

[CNHT]

GJ. My question is, where do they get the $ for all that printing, warehouse storage, and at least two office/drop box locations? My thought is that they stole it all,  but that could only go on for so long w/out the monopoly of force right?

They get it from sinister well-funded organizations like MoveOn.org and others who, if you knew about them and who was behind them, you'd run like hell.
They are not 'grassroots' but intend to appeal to people who are, to fish them in.
It's paid agitators in most cases.

[J’raxis 270145]

"Left-libertarians" are not actually lefties in the common sense of the term. They use "left" in a different way to mean complete freedom.

Semantics in politics is a minefield...

I tend to think of left-libertarians as being leftist in much of their ideology, but sans statism or other forms of coercion.

[Francois Tremblay]

The header on MoveOn.org says "democracy in action." That right there tells me they're no friends of freedom.

[CNHT]

The header on MoveOn.org says "democracy in action." That right there tells me they're no friends of freedom.

It kinda throws a damper on things when you find out groups are funded by the Ford Foundation and David Rockefeller too... LOL

When the extreme right is funding the extreme left, you know something is amiss...and proof there ain't a dime's worth of difference at the level of control.