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I thought gambling was illegal in NH?

Started by Quantrill, August 23, 2007, 02:45 PM NHFT

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Quantrill

http://sharkyspokerroom.net/Manchester.htm

poker, blackjack and roulette.   It looks like the proceeds go to charity.  I assume that is some loophole to make it legal here?  I suppose it's better than letting the state run it...

jsorens

Yep, it's legal on a charitable license, just not for profit.

dalebert

So are these charitable casinos what give this city the name "Manchvegas"? I had heard about a lot of underground gambling which I assumed was illegal.

JonM

Nah, this is newer.  A charity can run a gambling event 10 days a year, so they just need 36.5 charities to cover them.

Lloyd Danforth

There is a similar deal with poker and Roulette(coming) at Hinsdale.

Fragilityh14

how's the legalization of gambling movement going? Just one of many things we'll need to tackle as the years go by, I guess.

Fluff and Stuff

Gambling illegal in NH?  Than how do they have casinos in NH?  You know, like the one a few miles from where Porcfest 07 happened.  The tracks (dog/horse) in NH have several gambling options and are considered really crappy casinos (at least by me).

Of course, NH also started the lottery so it has never been strongly oppposed to gambling.

Lloyd Danforth

Quote from: Fragilityh14 on August 24, 2007, 12:24 PM NHFT
how's the legalization of gambling movement going? Just one of many things we'll need to tackle as the years go by, I guess.

Unfortunately,  Massachusetts is probably going to get it next.  I doubt if the market will justify a third state legalizing casinos.

J’raxis 270145

If New Hampshire legalizes casinos, the taxes they collect from them can alleviate some of the pressure to pass an income tax we've seen lately. Maybe they can fund the public education system off the casino bad-at-math tax instead of stealing $363,000,000 from property owners.

Fluff and Stuff

Quote from: Lloyd  Danforth on August 24, 2007, 12:43 PM NHFT
Quote from: Fragilityh14 on August 24, 2007, 12:24 PM NHFT
how's the legalization of gambling movement going? Just one of many things we'll need to tackle as the years go by, I guess.

Unfortunately,  Massachusetts is probably going to get it next.  I doubt if the market will justify a third state legalizing casinos.

They have casinos everywhere.  For example, LA, MS, AR, MO, IA, SD, and MT all have casinos are they all touch at least one other state that has casinos.  I'm guessing that WI, MN, and IL also have casinos they there are in the same areas. 

The market can certainly handle casinos in NJ, CT, MA, and NH. 

dalebert

I hate taxes on a fundamental, moral level, but things like this are amongst my favorite ways to tax. Of course the problem is that they create a state monopoly but that doesn't seem as bad as overt theft.

d_goddard

There are a few Reps that submit legislation every session to legalize virtually unregulated private gambling.
Steve Vallaincourt is the most prominent of them. He also calls for legalizing prostitution and drugs :)
Down side, he was in favor of the smoking ban :(

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: dalebert on August 24, 2007, 03:50 PM NHFT
I hate taxes on a fundamental, moral level, but things like this are amongst my favorite ways to tax. Of course the problem is that they create a state monopoly but that doesn't seem as bad as overt theft.

This is what I mean by short-term strategic thinking—it's better to have taxes on voluntary activities, even though it is theft, than on things like income and property.

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: RattyDog on August 24, 2007, 02:09 PM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on August 24, 2007, 01:22 PM NHFT
If New Hampshire legalizes casinos, the taxes they collect from them can alleviate some of the pressure to pass an income tax we've seen lately. Maybe they can fund the public education system off the casino bad-at-math tax instead of stealing $363,000,000 from property owners.

Is it $363,000,000? Excuse me while I vomit in my lap......that is insane.

That's actually in the RSAs somewhere, but I've not been able to find it each time I went back to look. The property tax is actually defined in the total amount it needs to collect, not the amount it's going to levy on each individual piece of property. In a way, this is a good thing—when the government taxes something by some form of percentage or rate, sometimes they end up with a windfall—and all that extra money encourages them to create new programs to spend it on.

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: d_goddard on August 24, 2007, 05:29 PM NHFT
There are a few Reps that submit legislation every session to legalize virtually unregulated private gambling.
Steve Vallaincourt is the most prominent of them. He also calls for legalizing prostitution and drugs :)
Down side, he was in favor of the smoking ban :(

Is this someone reasonable we can work with, someone who's actually interested in using effective tactics to build support for this, or someone who just keeps stubbornly submitting bills he knows are going to be torpedoed?