Student Tasered in Front of John Kerry

[E-ville]

I guess my example was if I owned the paper that was printed, like I owned a newspaper and I placed a ad..  But non the less if i buy a add in a paper and paid for it i then own it.. this would then become a property rights issue..

The only charge this guy could have gotten would have been trespass.. if he was unwanted and asked to leave he then would be a trespasser, but im assuming he is a student and paid to be there.. who has the right in that case..  But really our legal system has really screwed up what was set forth in the constitution, the constitution was simple to follow, any one can have a gun travel, assembl and speak freely as long as it doesn harm others, if it did you then could be charged with a crime..

Really the legal system should be simpler now you can be charged with thinking about committing a crime.. I can think about killing someone i can by a gun and write out plans to do it, but untill i actually attempt it and fail or succeed I should not be able to be charged... But now if I was planning to murder the president, I could be charged as a terrorist.. even though there is no proof of actually attempting it..

Welcome to 1984

P.S. FEDS I'm not planning on killing anyone including Bush.. even though he probably deserves it considering all the people he has killed through his actions.

[coffeeseven]

but im assuming he is a student and paid to be there.. who has the right in that case..

I paid to support the corporation that is the town that I live in but they are eager to arrest me for disregarding ordinances. (As evidenced by last night's bonfire and the resulting visit by the thugs) Same at universities, I imagine. If you examine their corporate charter you will no doubt find the very fine legalese saying that any student attending is voluntarily submitting to the authority of the corporation. Just a thought off of the top of my flat head.

[Russell Kanning]

Thirteen years of public school, and whaddaya get? Compliant "subjects". 

they are still in government school ... being taught to be good socialists ....

... "if we could just make government better our world would be a wonderful place"

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

I'm pretty sure "being offensive" wasn't the charge . . . .  A better question would be, "If I submit an article for publication in a newspaper that the editors found offensive, are they interfering with my right to free speech if they don't publish it?  And if I break into their office and paste my piece over someone else's piece, can I be arrested?"  After all, the editors welcome unsolicited op-ed pieces, like the people running the UF John Kerry forum.  The editors decide what pieces go in and which do not, like the people running the UF-Kerry forum.  Andrew cut a bunch of people in line to go speak, which is similar to taking someone's space in the newspaper Op-Ed section.

http://media.www.collegian.com/media/storage/paper864/news/2007/09/21/News/Taser.This-2984348.shtml

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/education/14178899/detail.html

I do not think this student will be tasered and he wrote a really bad acronym.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

When your under arrest and ask what for are they not suposed to tell you and ready your rights... None of this was done.. He did even ask what he was being arrested for.. they were just there to drag out people that were not wanted.. there is another video showing how this one suit guy signaled the cut the mike with the finger across the throat signal , as soon as the mike was cut the cops moved in..  not to mention that they were standing right next to this guy,  this was orcastrated.. planned probably even before the event happened..

In the great State of Disney, Inc. (also known as State of Florida), police wear the borg style ear pieces to take orders from someone else. It appears they were told to step forward. The two police stepped forward in unison.

[srqrebel]

...I can think about killing someone i can by a gun and write out plans to do it, but untill i actually attempt it and fail or succeed I should not be able to be charged... But now if I was planning to murder the president, I could be charged as a terrorist.. even though there is no proof of actually attempting it..

Welcome to 1984

Exactly.

Any law that creates a victim where none exists, is wrong to enforce and wrong to obey -- it's as simple as that.

During a recent encounter with the blue-light gang, I was arrested for not begging the State's permission to commute, and my vehicle was stolen from me in the same fashion as Russell and Kat's car.  I paid a $90 extortion fee to get my property back.  There was no victim associated with my supposed "crime".  This experience prompted me to do a lot of introspection, and have subsequently come to realize that I am a concientious objector to all victimless crime laws.

If I have another encounter with the State's hired criminals, I intend to engage in peaceful non-cooperation.  This is why I find the Taser so barbaric.  Consider this quote, originally from the Iowa State Daily:

Weapons like Tasers bring rapid compliancy with greatly reduced risk to the injury of the subject," he said.

That is precisely how the Taser is used -- to achieve rapid compliancy through the use of brutal torture.  Thus, a peacefully non-compliant conscientious objector can be induced to comply with police orders even against his own conscience, through the intense fear generated by the torture.  When the police have the power to torture people into submission against their own conscience, there is not even a vestige of freedom left.  At that point, we exist in a full-scale police state.  The words of General John Stark ring more true than ever before: "Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils."

Abolishing the use of torture against ordinary citizens (or anyone, for that matter!) should be a top priority for freedom lovers everywhere.

[penguins4me]

I saw your comments, KBCraig, and I thought they were pretty well reasoned - I was going to try to point out that resisting unlawful arrest is actually legal in most places (Illinois doesn't count): http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.htm

... but it looks as though LD doesn't feel like arguing about it, as comments seem to be disabled now. Don't give up - my own brother has the same opinion about this case, and he's a good guy at the core. Likely just too many wankers he's dealt with, plus the combination of "training"/indoctrination given, etc.

[KBCraig]

I saw your comments, KBCraig, and I thought they were pretty well reasoned - I was going to try to point out that resisting unlawful arrest is actually legal in most places (Illinois doesn't count):

I know. I was responding to Reno's assertions about Texas law, and pointed out that the incident happened in Florida.

But LD is mostly on the right side of things. Today, he responded about two incidents where officers threatened to invent charges:

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2007/09/bad-apples.html

[kola]

Wow.  So do you work for the feds or are you in grade school?

I would assume both. Kola

[EthanAllen]

When your under arrest and ask what for are they not suposed to tell you and ready your rights... None of this was done.. He did even ask what he was being arrested for.. they were just there to drag out people that were not wanted.. there is another video showing how this one suit guy signaled the cut the mike with the finger across the throat signal , as soon as the mike was cut the cops moved in..  not to mention that they were standing right next to this guy,  this was orcastrated.. planned probably even before the event happened..

In the great State of Disney, Inc. (also known as State of Florida), police wear the borg style ear pieces to take orders from someone else. It appears they were told to step forward. The two police stepped forward in unison.

They were told to step forward and physically remove anyone whose microphone is cut-off.

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

When your under arrest and ask what for are they not suposed to tell you and ready your rights... None of this was done.. He did even ask what he was being arrested for.. they were just there to drag out people that were not wanted.. there is another video showing how this one suit guy signaled the cut the mike with the finger across the throat signal , as soon as the mike was cut the cops moved in..  not to mention that they were standing right next to this guy,  this was orcastrated.. planned probably even before the event happened..

In the great State of Disney, Inc. (also known as State of Florida), police wear the borg style ear pieces to take orders from someone else. It appears they were told to step forward. The two police stepped forward in unison.

They were told to step forward and physically remove anyone whose microphone is cut-off.

Where did you read this?  Please post the link. Thanks.

[EthanAllen]

When your under arrest and ask what for are they not suposed to tell you and ready your rights... None of this was done.. He did even ask what he was being arrested for.. they were just there to drag out people that were not wanted.. there is another video showing how this one suit guy signaled the cut the mike with the finger across the throat signal , as soon as the mike was cut the cops moved in..  not to mention that they were standing right next to this guy,  this was orcastrated.. planned probably even before the event happened..

In the great State of Disney, Inc. (also known as State of Florida), police wear the borg style ear pieces to take orders from someone else. It appears they were told to step forward. The two police stepped forward in unison.

They were told to step forward and physically remove anyone whose microphone is cut-off.

Where did you read this?  Please post the link. Thanks.

1 + 1 = 2

They look to the back of the room twice in anticipation of what is about to happen. The guy in the tie behind them drags the edge of his hand across his throat gesturing to the back of the room in the same place mouthing: "shut it off" and they cut the microphone and the police grab the guy without looking back for a signal.

[kola]

It appears to be Ethans opinion and not a solidified fact...but hey!..he believes it.

Kola

I heard Bush made a quote about the topic. He said "tase me once, shame on you, tase me twice..and ...ahhh..um..shame on...tase me once I can't get fooled again..or whatever..

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

(x - a) (x - b) (y - x) = 0   

http://www.gainesvillesun.com/article/20070921/NEWS/709210337

[mvpel]

I heard Bush made a quote about the topic. He said "tase me once, shame on you, tase me twice..and ...ahhh..um..shame on...tase me once I can't get fooled again..or whatever..

ELO:

I'll tell you once more,
before I writhe on the floor,
Don't Tase me Bro!
Ahh woo hoo!