More police brutality

[MTPorcupine3]

EVERY "law" is backed by the ability and willingness to use
violence. One of the most heinous examples of the modern police
state idiocy is the concent of a "curfew": a time after which the
mere peasants aren't allowed to be "on the streets" (i.e.,
outside). Often it's only a certain category of peasants, based on
age, but it's still asinine and immoral.

Want to see what happens in this lovely country when someone makes
the mistake of walking around like a FREE PERSON, at a time when
our rulers say we're not allowed out?

http://tinyurl.com/2krz3r

Mark

[David]

Wow.  Hope you federal spies see this.  Now you know why we don't trust these thugs. 

[KBCraig]

Here's the original news article:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/oct/04/dramatic-arrest-caught-camera-fort-pierce/

The comments are pretty disgusting.

[David]

 
You were'nt kiddin'. 
Several said she deserved it.  I have no real answer to that kind of control mentality.  One guy said they should clean up the streets with whatever force needed, then start cracking skulls.  The willingness of many people to use violent aggressive force on others amazes me.  If the police thug didn't have a uniform on, or a gun, and tried to do a citizens arrest to her the way it happened, I cannot imagine the responce would be the same. 

[supperman15]

Here's the original news article:

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2007/oct/04/dramatic-arrest-caught-camera-fort-pierce/

The comments are pretty disgusting.

very disgusting.  the think that amazes me is how calm and "Zen" like he appeared to be.  that is real Hannabal Lector sociopath type stuff going on there.  Who was he protecting from the evil of her being on the street???

[SpeedPhreak]

"(s)he who breaks the law... must go back to the house of pain"

[Jared]

those comments are much more disturbing than the actual video. this is the thing that sometimes get me very discouraged. it seems that even when americans have any idea what is actually going on, they usually assume that whatever the government sees fit to do is always justified. you know, i used to think like that. in fact, i even considered attending police academy. i used to think of cops as heros, just great americans who want to make life better for us. then i looked around. i started paying a little bit of attention to the guns of government and how they use their power. i looked at the laws they are enforcing - drugs, prostitution, underage drinking, and laundry list of "crimes" that hurt <i>no one</i>. my bubble was burst, as i realized that these "heros", even thought there still are a few good ones, are often nothing but thugs who love to hurt people. it's as simple as that - and every day, people excuse their behavior instead of holding them accountable for their actions. sick.

[supperman15]

the indoctrination machine... i mean schools only perpetuate the hero myth,  and then they raid schools with dogs and halt learning for a day while teaching terrony at the point of a gun and barking dogs.

[David]

I noticed how calm the cop was also, including how calmly he pulled out the pepper spray and aimed in her eyes.  The only rash thing he did was punch her in the head. 

[dan_sayers]

The end of the article said "The last couple of months have produced an epidemic of police and security guard brutality which seems to be spiraling out of control as cops are trained that the public is their enemy." I'm inclined to believe that the increase in hearing about it is NOT indicative of an increase in frequency. I think it's a combination of even the general public getting fed up of being trampled on and more importantly, the prevalence of video cameras.

I have mixed feelings about what was on the tape. First of all, did she commit any crime? I read the word curfew, but that's not a crime. If she didn't commit a crime, then ANY effort she used to free herself from an aggressor twice her size is justified. She's being charged with two items that took place AFTER he began manhandling her. Which would suggest no crime committed that warranted a police encounter at all.

Next, the punch wasn't right, but could be chalked up to reflex. After the punch though, she wasn't fighting anymore. Just crying. In Ohio, police are taught that the use of ANY force must be logical, reasonable, AND necessary. I'll let others argue over the first two, but it was certainly not necessary at that point. It was one man PUNISHING a little girl behind a badge of civil immunity.

Finally, the girl is being charged with FELONY BATTERY. Nothing about walking down the street or crying when you're being overpowered is felonious. A bite should never count as battery. ESPECIALLY when you consider: Who bites? Victims bite. It's a defensive action. Let's take it down to street level. If I'm in a scuffle with person A and I bite, he punches, we're even. If what she did was felonious battery, then what is punching her for it? And truth is, he did even more than that.

What we saw on the tape was not logical, reasonable, and necessary. Nobody was saved. One girl's life might be ruined, a family traumatized, and the use of force to intimidate innocents reinforced. On my scorecard, that's zero steps forward and three steps back.

[grasshopper]

   I wasn't there but I'd have made the cop get back up because he would have needed it after I called "the boys".  We never leave home without "steel", ladders, climbing ropes, bullistic clothing and bullet proof vests "if the scean is rite".
   I wasn't there so I don't know what the situation was though.
  In that neighborhood there is a cerfue for reasons of crime and gang violence.  I kind of sympithise with both of the people.
   She was getting buttbanged by a cop!  What did her grangparents tell her about the 60s?  Look at the memories in that area and wonder why the little girl was scared shitless!
   This assclown cop should have called for a black officer knowing that the girl was scared.  It would have taken a few min to get him or here there.
   I agree that these police are taught to be the baddest on the block, the keepers of the cheese.  How do you train for every scenario though?  We can sit here and sneer at him but how do we change these policies?

[grasshopper]

   That girl could just as well have been coming from a Baptist prayer meeting and pie and ice cream social.  I just don't like the "machine".  The machine has no feelings, it just grinds, it has no conchence so it just rolls over everybody that gets in the way.

[David]

That sums it up nicely.  The cop prolly had no had feeling toward her initially, he was just enforcing 'the law'.  Blind respect for the law is dangerous.  That explains the comments.  I bet if that was the mayors daughter, or some powerful persons kid, the reaction would have been different.  We have royalty in this country, they are just not called kings, and there are thousands of them. 

[dan_sayers]

In that neighborhood there is a cerfue for reasons of crime and gang violence.

Okay, but I can find no crime that she committed. Not even gang violence. Nothing in the video shows an underlying crime and her current charges also suggest there wasn't one.

How do you train for every scenario though?

You can't. But you don't need training to know that once somebody is subdued, pinning them down while you calmly dispense the pepper spray is wrong. Now if the tables were turned and that skinny framed, young female had an older, beefy male temporarily subdued, it might be different because the chances of a subsequent attack are likely. Common sense aside, in today's society, the use of force is something all police are taught. I would not be surprised if their state's training isn't so different from Ohio's in that regard.