Private Sale guns vs. store bought

[Nat F]

Strictly speaking, the law doesn't "allow private sales of handguns," but rather regulates the conditions of such sales.

Very true, good point.

-Nat

[CNHT]

So um, what ARE the laws about selling guns privately? You can't just sell one to a friend? What is required?

[Roycerson]

You CAN just sell one to a friend.  If other than friend, introductions are required.

[KBCraig]

So um, what ARE the laws about selling guns privately? You can't just sell one to a friend? What is required?

Covered pretty thoroughly above: RSA 159 says you can sell a long gun to any other NH resident, but you can't sell to a known felon. You can sell a handgun to anyone "personally known" to you (as long as they're not a known felon), or who has a Revolver & Pistol License or license to sell handguns (a dealer).

"Personally known" isn't defined in the statute; I don't know if there is case law. If I meet someone, shake hands, exchange names, and perhaps chat over a cup of coffee, I'll always say I "personally know" that person.

[Riddler]

the guy I bought from wanted to see NH driv. lic, and CCL; nothing written down.
I went to the guy's residence in the town I live in.
Nothing illicit. G-hop takes it that I condone shady back-alley deals at midnight w/ shitbags. Not so.

[grasshopper]

   Sorry for the hostle responce and the stern way I wrote.  We have to remember this sight IS being monitered by the fuzz and there are other people from around America reading these posts, not to mention there fed agents driving around yeaterday by Errors house. 
   The thread went exactly like it should have everyone.  We policed ourselves, discussed the laws for the sale of firearms and have come to a consensous.  I'm proud to be aquainted with you people.
   I just sold an SKS to a friend of mine at work that a member here Don wanted.  I asked Don for all the things discussed here for even a long gun.  Don said he'd go through a dealer, that sold me on the sale but unfortuneately he went on vacation and I didn't have a safe place for the rifle and didn't hear from Don for a while and i sold it.
   Sorry Bubalu, I had some splainin to do.  I hope you forgive me
   Oh ya, one of my best friends in Jr.  of Jr's gunsmighing and I am a supporting member of http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi
   We have to know the laws as to legalities for resale of firearms/ black powder vs. smokeless as well as making of receivers and marking and all sorts of stuff that makes my head spin.  I just don't want to miss lead anybody.
   Good job boys!

[Riddler]

   Sorry for the hostle responce and the stern way I wrote.  We have to remember this sight IS being monitered by the fuzz and there are other people from around America reading these posts, not to mention there fed agents driving around yeaterday by Errors house. 
   The thread went exactly like it should have everyone.  We policed ourselves, discussed the laws for the sale of firearms and have come to a consensous.  I'm proud to be aquainted with you people.
   I just sold an SKS to a friend of mine at work that a member here Don wanted.  I asked Don for all the things discussed here for even a long gun.  Don said he'd go through a dealer, that sold me on the sale but unfortuneately he went on vacation and I didn't have a safe place for the rifle and didn't hear from Don for a while and i sold it.
   Sorry Bubalu, I had some splainin to do.  I hope you forgive me
   Oh ya, one of my best friends in Jr.  of Jr's gunsmighing and I am a supporting member of http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi
   We have to know the laws as to legalities for resale of firearms/ black powder vs. smokeless as well as making of receivers and marking and all sorts of stuff that makes my head spin.  I just don't want to miss lead anybody.
   Good job boys!

Alrighty then....we've all settled down. I get the apprehension re: the feds watching this site; I Certainly wasn't intending to stir the sh*t pot here, just thought newcomers to NH would be interested in this magazine, etc. 'Atz-all

[Romak]

The Feds as you call them only watch this site to monitor threats, just as they do with environmental activist sites, anti bush sites, anti war sites, etc,etc, etc. What you are talking about doesn't interest them in the least because they know you aren't doing anything illegal. If you came on here and asked where you could get fully auto tommy guns with no papers then besides being extremely dumb people might take an interest. Thats what bothers me about people on here to some degree, they seem very paranoid about our Govt sitting in the bushes waiting to attack people on this site. Trust me there are much bigger fish to fry in this country. If it wasn't for the Ed Brown thing they probably wouldn't even bother to read anything on here.

[Riddler]

The Feds as you call them only watch this site to monitor threats, just as they do with environmental activist sites, anti bush sites, anti war sites, etc,etc, etc. What you are talking about doesn't interest them in the least because they know you aren't doing anything illegal. If you came on here and asked where you could get fully auto tommy guns with no papers then besides being extremely dumb people might take an interest. Thats what bothers me about people on here to some degree, they seem very paranoid about our Govt sitting in the bushes waiting to attack people on this site. Trust me there are much bigger fish to fry in this country. If it wasn't for the Ed Brown thing they probably wouldn't even bother to read anything on here.

I wasn't worried in the least. That's why I created the subject. G-hopper went Defcon 1 on me (or is it 4? can't get that 1 straight)

[CNHT]

The Feds as you call them only watch this site to monitor threats, just as they do with environmental activist sites, anti bush sites, anti war sites, etc,etc, etc. What you are talking about doesn't interest them in the least because they know you aren't doing anything illegal. If you came on here and asked where you could get fully auto tommy guns with no papers then besides being extremely dumb people might take an interest. Thats what bothers me about people on here to some degree, they seem very paranoid about our Govt sitting in the bushes waiting to attack people on this site. Trust me there are much bigger fish to fry in this country. If it wasn't for the Ed Brown thing they probably wouldn't even bother to read anything on here.

They even monitor my site as much as I try to block them, especially after one of the people here gave them cause...then they were followed by the UN Commission... it was pathetic.

[KBCraig]

The Feds as you call them only watch this site to monitor threats, just as they do with environmental activist sites, anti bush sites, anti war sites, etc,etc, etc.

Maybe you don't have to worry about the FBI:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/10/few-fbi-employe.html

[grasshopper]

  Guys, I know this but I still don't want to mislead people.  We did a great job of researching and splaining.  As I said, Good job.  As Romak said, there are bigger fish to fry but most of the time the feds go for the little fish instead of going for the really big fish.
  Now, I want to explain my point.
  A few years ago there was a company that was making 80% pieces of metal that could be made into firearms if you had the tools and patience.  The Canadian BATFE, (or whoever they are) got our government to raid this mans business.  This business is Kristi Tool/ KT Ordnance.  If you go to the KTO sight you'll be able to download the government complaints against him.  On page 18 it mentions good old Grasshopper.  Ya, ME!  Go to his sight, read the federal complaint.  You'll see that the feds make up things as they go and cover up their mistakes by pushing lawsuits and making up evidence.  The evidence in the KTO case is, the pieces of metal "looked like receivers", so the federal Govt said  They were receivers.
  There was an agent at KT Ordnance when I was there, he called himself Adam.  He has a salad with myself Richard, His Son and his wife Kristie, we did work to the receivers to make them firearms under federal law, we did the work ourselves so it made it legal.   KTO was investigated by the NH FBI, and hassled and the assholes even tried to steal his land even though Rick went Sovern.  His land was deeded and it had no leanings against it.  The federal judge didn't care about that, he pled guilty for Richard and decided to steal his property if he didn't get out by the next fall.  He moved to Montana and is making small parts for firearms and scope mounts.
  Now you know why  I'm a LITTLE PARANOID about posting stuff.  The feds mentioned myself and a post.  Go to http://www.ktordnance.com/kto/  to confirm that I'm not an ass.
 This is how the feds use posts to accumulate evidence.  They thought they had KT for rico statutes.  They failed.

[KBCraig]

Your point is well taken, grasshopper.

Nothing pisses them off worse than following the law exactly.

[error]

The ATF are batshit insane. I should know; I've had the displeasure of meeting a couple of them.

I think someone should design an AK-47 "receiver" made by origami, and I'll take bets on whether they consider a folded piece of paper a firearm.

[KBCraig]

The ATF are batshit insane. I should know; I've had the displeasure of meeting a couple of them.

I think someone should design an AK-47 "receiver" made by origami, and I'll take bets on whether they consider a folded piece of paper a firearm.

I already know the answer: the ATF standard is that it can be made to fire a single round, it's a firearm. Even if it's completely destroyed in the process. No matter how many times they have to try, no matter how much manipulation and jiggering they have to do to it. That is the official ATF standard for the Firearms Technology Branch.

This is the same group that declared a 14" piece of string to be a machinegun. To their credit, they did reverse that ruling this year, after three years of being called idiots for the original ruling.