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Muslim threat to our way of life

Started by Riddler, October 27, 2007, 02:30 PM NHFT

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#45
babalugatz:

While many Porcs do not see radical Islam as an existential threat, this is also true of Americans at large. You may decide to "agree to disagree" on foreign policy and work together on more local New Hampshire issues, since foreign policy is mostly outside the FSP's scope.

Riddler

Quote from: GraniteForge on October 29, 2007, 09:38 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 29, 2007, 05:45 PM NHFT
Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on October 29, 2007, 08:51 AM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 28, 2007, 09:36 AM NHFT
it's not just about welfare, Bill
Radical Islam IS the hitler of the 21st century.
They won't stop until ALL infidels have been conquered or converted (convert or die)
Pretty simple

You cannot be serious!?
That is such a painfully outrageous and misinformed statement.

This article you present is just garbage propaganda, designed to make you see Muslims as sub human - so that you'll be less sympathetic to the death of innocent Muslim civilians... you'll be less likely to complain about their deaths at our hands.

And why on earth are you bringing this type of article to this type of forum!? You're promoting the government imposing (aka: pissing) on my liberties.




I sir, am not the one MAKING this up....this is directly from the mouths of some of the leading clerics & imams of radical islam.

Let me guess: you were hanging around a highly politicized madrassa in Iran last week, posing as a humble spice buyer, and struck up a conversation with "some of the leading clerics & imams of radical islam."  Over innumerable glasses of mint tea, they laid out for you their master plan to brutally slaughter the infidels at the heart of the Great Satan, naturally right here in NH.  Shocked, you rushed to your computer to deliver this timely warning.  Thanks.  Message received.  Well done.  Take some time off, you've earned it.




No, Mr. Glib. Read a paper. This has been repeated by media ALL OVER the World. It's not a secret....except to you

Riddler

Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on October 29, 2007, 10:09 PM NHFT
Hmm. Coverting to Islam?
Not ever been approached by a muslim to attempt conversion.
Does that come with a designer front grill and spinnazz?
Nope. Not one muslim has ever tried to even explain why I should convert.
But...I have gotten some of the fear mighty Jesus God of mini paper books or you are a sinner and are going to hell when trick or treating on halloween, in mall parking lots, grocery stores, etc.
No disrepect to Jesus, just the manmade displayed idol version.

BTW, Hitler did  not order all Jews to be killed.  Max Schmeling (Jewish) lived a very long life, a very successful life, even after losing to Joe Louis (a black American) and shaming germany.

I like hummus and taboli and falafels and lavash and fava beans and olives.

Ron Paul spoke to supporters at a rally after the debate in Orlando last week and stated on stage, that more people die in bathtubs in America than people are killed by terrorists around the world.
Now that is a pretty interesting statistic.






Not talkin' bout conversion...why don't you try shit-talkin' Allah? ..or the Koran? A lot of these people will cut your head off for even a perceived insult...Haven't heard of Buddhists, Cathoilcs, Jews,,,etc, etc  ANY religion becoming muderous psychopaths over cartoons, have you?
Many of you here miss the point....We are constantly being asked to "tolerate" one of the MOST intolerant groups of people on the planet. All of them bad? Of course not, cept their shit-house-rat crazy brethren speak a whole lot louder & bloodier than the peaceful among them.

Riddler

Just wait for it to come up & bite you on the ass? Is that what everyone should do?

Read on :

  In the aftermath of the Danish cartoon fiasco, two things are abundantly clear. First, that Islam continues to be a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds. Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith. Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006) enlightened us with the following:  "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do not share this attitude...".
Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured, raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off. Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".

Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989, under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",  "The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.

Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short, "Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight. Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife, nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered, to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."

Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head, Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997, and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...".
What kind of religion could convert a person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are  reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the 
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you, for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall between these cultures begin to come down.


This is only the beginning. The threat is real. England, France, Denmark, Amsterdam, Australia, & many other countries have all seen it 1st hand. You DON'T think It will happen here? Don't be a fool. It is as much a threat as anything you're talking about here. Believe it.

Sheep Fuzzy Wool

Quote from: babalugatz on October 30, 2007, 10:59 AM NHFT
Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on October 29, 2007, 10:09 PM NHFT
Hmm. Coverting to Islam?
Not ever been approached by a muslim to attempt conversion.
Does that come with a designer front grill and spinnazz?
Nope. Not one muslim has ever tried to even explain why I should convert.
But...I have gotten some of the fear mighty Jesus God of mini paper books or you are a sinner and are going to hell when trick or treating on halloween, in mall parking lots, grocery stores, etc.
No disrepect to Jesus, just the manmade displayed idol version.

BTW, Hitler did  not order all Jews to be killed.  Max Schmeling (Jewish) lived a very long life, a very successful life, even after losing to Joe Louis (a black American) and shaming germany.

I like hummus and taboli and falafels and lavash and fava beans and olives.

Ron Paul spoke to supporters at a rally after the debate in Orlando last week and stated on stage, that more people die in bathtubs in America than people are killed by terrorists around the world.
Now that is a pretty interesting statistic.








Not talkin' bout conversion...why don't you try shit-talkin' Allah? ..or the Koran? A lot of these people will cut your head off for even a perceived insult...Haven't heard of Buddhists, Cathoilcs, Jews,,,etc, etc  ANY religion becoming muderous psychopaths over cartoons, have you?
Many of you here miss the point....We are constantly being asked to "tolerate" one of the MOST intolerant groups of people on the planet. All of them bad? Of course not, cept their shit-house-rat crazy brethren speak a whole lot louder & bloodier than the peaceful among them.

LOL. Are you getting paid to spew the fear? Just wondering. ;D
I am sure throughout history all the groups of people of any group ever created, have been beating each other with sticks for a long time.
Who has the biggust dickus.

Riddler

Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on October 30, 2007, 03:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 30, 2007, 02:39 PM NHFT
Just wait for it to come up & bite you on the ass? Is that what everyone should do?


Well if we had done that with these "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq we would have been a-ok now wouldn't we!? So yeah - why not!?
This isn't anywhere near being an issue in this country so what are you blathering about?

What is it that you're suggesting we do? Start witch-hunting members of the Muslim community? Be as extreme towards them as your trying to claim they are? What?
And you still haven't explained how this "jeopordizes" our liberties... care to?

I mean seriously, use your head a little... name just one of your liberties that the Muslim community IN THIS COUNTRY has infringed upon. C'mon, I dare you!
When your done with that, take a minute and ponder the MANY that the US government has stripped away.

Try not to hurt yourself.








why don't YOU tell me how many liberties have been taken away from YOU.  did the man check out which books you took out of the library?
black helicopter chasing you?
What?

Riddler

Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on October 30, 2007, 03:53 PM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 30, 2007, 02:39 PM NHFT
Just wait for it to come up & bite you on the ass? Is that what everyone should do?


Well if we had done that with these "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq we would have been a-ok now wouldn't we!? So yeah - why not!?
This isn't anywhere near being an issue in this country so what are you blathering about?

What is it that you're suggesting we do? Start witch-hunting members of the Muslim community? Be as extreme towards them as your trying to claim they are? What?
And you still haven't explained how this "jeopordizes" our liberties... care to?

I mean seriously, use your head a little... name just one of your liberties that the Muslim community IN THIS COUNTRY has infringed upon. C'mon, I dare you!
When your done with that, take a minute and ponder the MANY that the US government has stripped away.

Try not to hurt yourself.







1)
Monday Morn. quarterback...Most people belived in WMD (what WAS that funny white powder thay found??) Why ARE our soldiers coming home w/ a laundry list of bizzare ailments??; They DID find sarin gas-loaded warheads; Hussein HAD used poison gas on his own people....so he ran tail-between-his-legs & threw out all his WMD's on the U.N. say-so? Sure he did.
2)
We can demand universities & public schools STOP allowing radical Muslim professors & teachers to indoctrinate our youth w/ lies & hatred.
3)
Can't think of any liberties that have been stripped away....oh wait, I can't buy a fully-auto M60...Bastards...they might be listening to my overseas phon....oh, don't make any...and if I did...wouldn't give a blue fuck...I'm not doing anything illegal.

Riddler

Quote from: mvpel on October 29, 2007, 10:08 PM NHFT


Ayaan Hirsi Ali escaped Islamic totalitarianism in Kenya and gained refugee status in the Netherlands, where she later served as a member of Parliament from 2003 to 2006.  She continues to be subject to serious threats to her life following the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh by an enraged Dutch-born Muslim as a result of van Gogh's production of the film Submission (YouTube link), which Ms. Hirsi Ali encouraged him to make and for which she wrote the script.  She recently joined the American Enterprise Institute and lives in Washington DC.  The following is an excerpt from her interview with Reason magazine.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/122457.html

QuoteReason: Should we acknowledge that organized religion has sometimes sparked precisely the kinds of emancipation movements that could lift Islam into modern times? Slavery in the United States ended in part because of opposition by prominent church members and the communities they galvanized. The Polish Catholic Church helped defeat the Jaruzelski puppet regime. Do you think Islam could bring about similar social and political changes?

Hirsi Ali: Only if Islam is defeated. Because right now, the political side of Islam, the power-hungry expansionist side of Islam, has become superior to the Sufis and the Ismailis and the peace-seeking Muslims.

Reason: Don't you mean defeating radical Islam?

Hirsi Ali:
No. Islam, period. Once it's defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It's very difficult to even talk about peace now. They're not interested in peace.

Reason: We have to crush the world's 1.5 billion Muslims under our boot? In concrete terms, what does that mean, "defeat Islam"?

Hirsi Ali: I think that we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways. For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they're the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, "This is a warning. We won't accept this anymore." There comes a moment when you crush your enemy.

Reason: Militarily?

Hirsi Ali: In all forms, and if you don't do that, then you have to live with the consequence of being crushed.

Reason: Are we really heading toward anything so ominous?

Hirsi Ali: I think that's where we're heading. We're heading there because the West has been in denial for a long time. It did not respond to the signals that were smaller and easier to take care of. Now we have some choices to make. This is a dilemma: Western civilization is a celebration of life—everybody's life, even your enemy's life. So how can you be true to that morality and at the same time defend yourself against a very powerful enemy that seeks to destroy you?

...
The Western mind-set—that if we respect them, they're going to respect us, that if we indulge and appease and condone and so on, the problem will go away—is delusional. The problem is not going to go away. Confront it, or it's only going to get bigger.



Thank you mvpel,
You, apparently, get it.
There is another woman, once vy. prominent in ?country?- I'm looking for her article; essentially same M-O as this woman. Speaking in a negative manner about islam; now living in exile w/ a price on her head.

Sheep Fuzzy Wool

#53
Alot of Indians Hindus are not happy with the Ghandi thing in India.
Many thought it would have been better to fight to claim the land, then to sit back in peace and watch many families of a particular religion that allows 5 wives, have that many more children.
And that by sitting in peace, and a revolution in peace,  it kept the British court system in place, even after the British so called exit and freedom to India and division of India into new countries.

This is what I have been told by some. Not all feel this way.
An example: http://www.sikhsundesh.net/gandhi.htm


Riddler

Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on October 30, 2007, 08:15 PM NHFT
Alot of Indians Hindus are not happy with the Ghandi thing in India.
Many thought it would have been better to fight to claim the land, then to sit back in peace and watch many families of a particular religion that allows 5 wives, have that many more children.
And that by sitting in peace, and a revolution in peace,  it kept the British court system in place, even after the British so called exit and freedom to India and division of India into new countries.

This is what I have been told by some. Not all feel this way.
An example: http://www.sikhsundesh.net/gandhi.htm




What the EFF does this have to do w/ topic at hand?

mvpel

http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD175207

Egyptian Columnist Criticizes Lack of Tolerance in the Arab World

QuoteIn an article titled "Why Don't We Live As Free People?" in the Londondaily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat, the director of the Center for Political and Strategic Studies of the Al-Ahram publishing house, 'Abd Al-Mun'im Sa'id, criticized the Arab world's silence in the face of the oppression of religious and ethnic minorities such as the Baha'i in Egypt and the Kurds and the Yazidis in Iraq. The absence of protest against ethnic intolerance, he said, is one of the reasons for the absence of freedoms in the Arab world.

The following are excerpts from 'Abd Al-Mun'im's article:


"In All Arab States, We Have All Failed the Test of Freedom of Religion"

"A country may lack freedom for a number of reasons, which may be related to rulers [or] tyrants, as well as to the economic and social institutions [in that country]. In our days, these reasons are discussed aloud and repeatedly referred to by satellite channel presenters and journalists. But there is one reason that is never mentioned: Those who want freedom [for themselves] lose the power of speech when it comes to [safeguarding] the freedom of others - in particular with regard to political and social rights, especially freedom of religion.

The Fate of the Yazidis - A Tragic Example

"Nor did the trials of the Yazidis end with the fall of Saddam Hussein and his government. Al-Qaeda marched into Iraq, bringing with it extreme Sunni fundamentalism, which believed in murder and massacre as a solution to controversy - even for minor disagreements, let alone a 'Satan worshipping' sect, as it is dubbed in many languages!

"It is not clear what motives drive these people to adhere to their faith and to stay apart from the Arabs, Kurds, Christians, Muslims, or Jews. The Yazidi minority comprises less than 300,000 people, divided among two districts; they are totally unprotected, with not one ally in the whole world, save for [several] small groups in Syria, Turkey, Armenia, and Germany. These people are confined within their own group, are in constant fear of the outside world, and have never experienced anything but persecution, oppression, and murder."

"Personal Freedom Starts When the Weakest of the Weak [Are Granted] Freedom!"

"It is for this very reason that freedom of religion has, throughout history, been one of the most significant cornerstones of freedom in general. Inasmuch as freedom, in the final reckoning, amounts to the ability to choose, it is the strong, the rich, and the majority - since the latter have the means and resources - that always enjoy a wider choice of different possibilities. [Such freedom, however] comes to naught for an individual or for a group that is weak, marginal, or a minority whose religion no one understands.

"The connection between faith and freedom becomes obvious when it comes to defending the weak, or those who have been marginalized for holding views different [from those of the mainstream]. Defending such people is the first [step] towards defending the personal and political freedom of members of a [certain] political group.

"The facts about the Yazidi community in Iraq... came to light on account of the stoning of a 17-year-old girl by the members of this sect, as a punishment for embracing Islam in order to marry the man she loved. The entire sect turned against a single helpless individual, just because their religion forbade that person to embrace another religion. Following this incident, Islamic groups immediately proceeded to murder 23 Yazidi men as they were on their way to work.

"Once again, we are witness to crime perpetrated by the majority, in all its might and power, against a defenseless minority. As if it was not enough that Al-Qaeda blew up four vehicles in villages with defenseless and unarmed populations, none of whom had proselytized their religion outside the village boundaries.

"The wall of silence was erected in the Arab world [regarding this incident], just as it had been in the past. The silence implied acquiescence and satisfaction, as if the angels and the devils had finally matched the two parts of the equation [i.e. the good and the bad].

"As long as the strong are always tyrants, murderers, and torturers of the weak, there is no reason to be surprised at the results of actions by the majority, or simply by those with the guns and cannon.

"Personal freedom begins when the weakest among the weak [are granted] freedom!"

BaneOfTheBeast

#56
Emphasized text by: Me
Now on with the article!

Bigotry and Ignorance of Islam

By Charley Reese

08/29/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- President George Bush's ignorance of the Middle East and its people is well-known. So also is his habit of parroting words and sentences given to him by other people. He hit a new low when he referred to "Islamic fascists."

No two more opposite concepts are to be found. Fascism glorifies the nation-state; Islam is transnational. Fascism demands slavish devotion to a national leader; Muslims are far too independent-minded to be slavish followers of anybody. Virtually all the people Saddam Hussein murdered were people trying to overthrow him. Fascism is militaristic. Islam is not.

Mr. Bush, who has dubbed himself the "war president," has made a pathetic and absurd effort to picture himself as Winston Churchill facing off against evil. He is no Churchill. Most of the enemies he imagines, he has created himself.

The West faces no threat from Islam. Islam is one of the fastest-growing religions in the world, but it really is a religion of peace. More importantly, it is a religion that concentrates on individual salvation. There is no Muslim pope, no College of Cardinals, no bishops, no priesthood. Any five Muslims anywhere in the world can start their own mosque. Imams are teachers and, like Protestant preachers or Jewish rabbis, can be fired by their congregation. The Shi'ite version is slightly more organized.

A fatwa is a statement issued by an imam, usually explanatory. It is similar to statements issued by the pope, with this important difference: No Muslim is bound by any fatwa. Muslims are free to pay attention to it or to ignore it.

Islam, like Christianity, is a universal religion that ignores nationality, race or color. To become a Muslim, one must profess belief in one God, acknowledge Muhammad as his prophet, recognize the Quran as the word of God, pray five times a day, provide for the poor and, if possible, make a trip to Mecca once in your lifetime. The God Muslims worship is the same God Christians and Jews worship.

To dispose of some of the slanderous misstatements being floated about, Islam forbids forced conversions. People would do well to read some history rather than rely on ignorant and malicious radio and TV talk-show hosts. The oldest Christian communities in the world are all in Muslim countries. There have always been Christian and Jewish communities in the Muslim world. Muslims are commanded to treat Christians and Jews as they would treat themselves. They revere Jesus as a prophet and highly respect the Virgin Mary. The disputes you see in the modern Middle East are not religious; they are all about secular matters, principally Israeli occupation of Arab lands.

The Arabs see Israel as the last European colonialist state imposed on them by the European powers. That's true, in fact.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are concerned only with ending Israeli occupation of Palestine. Hezbollah is concerned with ending Israeli occupation of Lebanon. Al-Qaeda wants to overthrow the Persian Gulf governments and is at war with us because we are the principal backers and supporters of those governments. Al-Qaeda alone is most un-Islamic and has been so labeled by a majority of Muslims. It is a small group.

If you wish to understand Islam, turn off your TV and go to the library. Introduce yourself to some of America's 6 million Muslims. You'll find them to be very decent and patriotic people. There are some fanatics among Muslims, just as there are among Jews and Christians. Most of the New England states were originally populated by people fleeing Puritan rule in Massachusetts. 

The way to combat the fanatics is to extend the hand of friendship to ordinary Muslims and to protest the slander and libel of Muslims and Islam, just as you should protest the slander and libel of Jews and other groups. Bigotry should have no place in our public dialogue, regardless of the target. :clap:

It's obvious that President Bush will never understand the world into which he was born, but most Americans have more open minds – except, of course, those who prefer to click their heels and salute when their Fuehrer of choice speaks.

Sheep Fuzzy Wool

Quote from: babalugatz on October 31, 2007, 06:39 AM NHFT
Quote from: Sheep Fuzzy Wool on October 30, 2007, 08:15 PM NHFT
Alot of Indians Hindus are not happy with the Ghandi thing in India.
Many thought it would have been better to fight to claim the land, then to sit back in peace and watch many families of a particular religion that allows 5 wives, have that many more children.
And that by sitting in peace, and a revolution in peace,  it kept the British court system in place, even after the British so called exit and freedom to India and division of India into new countries.

This is what I have been told by some. Not all feel this way.
An example: http://www.sikhsundesh.net/gandhi.htm




What the EFF does this have to do w/ topic at hand?

Well, pardon the use of ABC's before your EFF, but it shows precisely that your facts of why muslims are a threat to...whatever, are not very well thought out yet and maybe you could watch a few more movies, maybe read a few books, tour the world a bit and hang out with the locals, learn their hearts then you may see what the EFF is about the above that was written had a lot to do with this topic in someway or other.
History repeats itself.  One does not have to be a history major or memorize wikipedia to understand the nature of people.

ps. The word 'muslim' was intentionally left out, to see if you may know anything else than what the owned media has told you.  You answered my question by giving yours. :P

Any group of people can be dangerous when ignorance is present.
 
Is "Good Times" still on reruns on cable?  The theme song is now appearing in my mind at this moment.
;D

Riddler

Quote from: BaneOfTheBeast on October 31, 2007, 10:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: babalugatz on October 30, 2007, 04:11 PM NHFT





why don't YOU tell me how many liberties have been taken away from YOU.  did the man check out which books you took out of the library?
black helicopter chasing you?
What?

so you've never heard of the patriot act?

well lets see...
amendmant 1
amendmant 4
amendmant 5
amendmant 6
amendmant 8
amendmant 9
amendmant 10
amendmant 12
amendmant 14
So thats 7 out of the ten ORIGINAL amendmants in the Bill of Rights and 9 out of 27 total. Shall I go into the many articles of the constitution which have been violated too? And how many have the Muslims taken away from me... a big fat zero.
And yes - I'm quite positive "the man" knows what books I purchase and, funny you mention it - but about 3 weeks ago I did witness a black helicopter flying between buildings in Boston... although I doubt it was me they were after.

So now that I've answered your question - care to answer any of mine? Or are you just talking out of your media manipulated, paranoid ass?




NOOOOO>> you DIDN'T answer my question. REAL simple.. So you can rattle off how many ammendments to the Constitution The Pat. Act 'supposedly' tramples on. HOW MANY OF THESE INFRINGEMENTS HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED?
Big Fat Zero, is my guess....Touch-hole alarmism.

Riddler

Brigitte Gabriel, she grew up in Lebanon, was a victim early on of radical Islam. She?s now a U.S. citizen and author of a new, best-selling book, ?Because They Hate.? Brigitte, we were just talking here during that package about the school books that are not just happening in the Middle East, but what is being taught now in radicalized American Muslim schools.

BRIGITTE GABRIEL, AUTHOR: It is shocking what?s happening in schools all across the world, not only in America. The government of Saudi Arabia is printing books and establishing schools all around the world, over 25,000 schools established and funded by the Saudi government. And they are supplying the books to these schools. And some of these books that are taught in the Middle East, like we just watched, to teach children to hate and become suicide bombers, are being taught also in the United States of America. And I?m going to quote you some of the sample of the books.

This is a book from eighth-grade and ninth-grade books. This is called (speaking Arabic) for eighth grade, published 2001. This is page 43. ?Jews and Christians cursed by Allah and turned into apes and pigs. Quoting (speaking Arabic) the Verse 60, the lesson explains that Jews and Christians have sinned by accepting polytheism and, therefore, incurred Allah?s wrath. To punish them, Allah had turned them into apes and pigs.? It?s unbelievable hatred education that is being taught to elementary-school children, secondary-school children. How do we expect to teach a child against such hatred against like people like you and me and expect him to grow up an 18-year-old and love us or respect us?


This is what we face in today's world. This is the face of our enemy:

BECK: There?s also something in the books where it says that, until the Muslims; help me out here; until the Muslims fight the Jews and the Christians, the day of judgment cannot come, right?

GABRIEL: Exactly.

BECK: Which explains the whole Messianic kind of apocalyptic view of people like President Ahmadinejad in Iran.

GABRIEL: Exactly. And this is what the West needs to understand and realize about Islam. We are dealing with a radical ideology right now spreading all throughout the world with one goal, and that is the establishing of an Islamic caliphate throughout the world.

BECK: Wait, explain that, because most people don?t even know what that is.

GABRIEL: A caliphate is an Islamic government ruled by Sharia law where everybody has to obey and live under Islam. In Islam, there is no difference between the state and the religion. The religion is the state, and the state is the religion.

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