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As I've been saying all along: Global Warming 'Greatest Scam in History'

Started by CNHT, November 08, 2007, 09:44 PM NHFT

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erisian

QuoteAs I understand it, and someone here may have a source, all that manmade CO2 represents a fraction of one percent of all the CO2.
The annual mean CO2 concentration at Mauna Loa has gone from 315.98ppm in 1959 to 377.38ppm in 2004. That is a 19.4% increase in 45 years. It is a fraction of one percent per year, roughly .5% per year lately.

Porcupine_in_MA

Quote from: toowm on November 15, 2007, 01:16 PM NHFT
I just never believe that a government solution ever meets it goals, and the whole global warming movement, if successful, will result in bigger government, more harm to the environment and more poverty, i.e. for the last two, the opposite of the original intent.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Really couldn't have put that better myself.  8)


erisian

The free market economic theories are all well and good, but while we're discussing how things should work, the Communist Chinese are busy building a coal-fired power plant every week. Never mind the CO2 emissions that will come from that. I just can't wait for all that yummy mercury to saturate the northwest coast and Alaskan fisheries, and everything else on half the earth.

This kind of pollution is a worldwide problem, which will require a worldwide solution. It is certainly beyond the jurisdiction of any national government, unless we use the Bush model and just fly over there and bomb them back into the Stone Age. But we can't do that to the Chinese, because they have nukes too. Besides, that would put WalMart out of business.

So with the current economic pressure clearly working day and night to make China into the worlds worst polluter, what is the free market economic model that would get them to "go green"?

penguins4me

Quote from: erisian on November 16, 2007, 06:34 PM NHFT
So with the current economic pressure clearly working day and night to make China into the worlds worst polluter, what is the free market economic model that would get them to "go green"?

Living in a ruined world governed by natural disasters, or living under the boot of a one-world government? I'll easily take the former, please. Betcha the free market will have come up with all sorts of handy filters, purifiers, and floating flood-proof houses by then, too.

CNHT

Quote from: penguins4me on November 16, 2007, 07:05 PM NHFT
Living in a ruined world governed by natural disasters, or living under the boot of a one-world government? I'll easily take the former, please. Betcha the free market will have come up with all sorts of handy filters, purifiers, and floating flood-proof houses by then, too.

Couldn't have said it better. Boot indeed. You ain't seen a boot yet that compares.

RangerProbst

Quote from: Bill St. Clair on November 09, 2007, 04:42 AM NHFT
The Federal Reserve takes the place, IMHO, for the biggest scam in history, but human-caused global warming is definitely up there.

I'll second that one. The Federal Reserve is definitely the greatest scam ever.

toowm

Quote from: erisian on November 16, 2007, 06:34 PM NHFT
The free market economic theories are all well and good, but while we're discussing how things should work, the Communist Chinese are busy building a coal-fired power plant every week. Never mind the CO2 emissions that will come from that. I just can't wait for all that yummy mercury to saturate the northwest coast and Alaskan fisheries, and everything else on half the earth.

This kind of pollution is a worldwide problem, which will require a worldwide solution. It is certainly beyond the jurisdiction of any national government, unless we use the Bush model and just fly over there and bomb them back into the Stone Age. But we can't do that to the Chinese, because they have nukes too. Besides, that would put WalMart out of business.

So with the current economic pressure clearly working day and night to make China into the worlds worst polluter, what is the free market economic model that would get them to "go green"?

Wealth.

Their middle class is now larger than ours. A clean environment will become a luxury good, just like it has in western capitalist societies. And the technology to "go green" has already been vetted by us.

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PattyLee loves dogs

The reason there are still coal-fired plants anywhere is because the market was disrupted... twice. First the US subsidized unsafe early nuclear plants, then banned them once they became safer and cheaper than other forms of power:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/walker/walker14.html

CNHT

Quote from: telomerase on November 17, 2007, 09:12 AM NHFT
The reason there are still coal-fired plants anywhere is because the market was disrupted... twice. First the US subsidized unsafe early nuclear plants, then banned them once they became safer and cheaper than other forms of power:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/walker/walker14.html

And also because China doesn't have to follow the rules in treaties we've signed with the UN -- only we do -- in an attempt to equalize the economy for 'developing' countries...

John Edward Mercier

Neither China nor the US signed Kyoto, nor do I believe any signatory country will meet the agreement.

CNHT

Quote from: John Edward Mericer on November 17, 2007, 12:17 PM NHFT
Neither China nor the US signed Kyoto, nor do I believe any signatory country will meet the agreement.



Yeah well we have quislings that are complaining it won't be signed. They still don't believe the UN is into power grabbing. Good grief, just look at their website and see the plans they have for everyone!

CNHT

UN Climate Distractions

Thursday, November 22, 2007
By Steven Milloy

The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) just issued the final installment of its year-long scare-the-pants-off-the public assessment of global warming.

It should come as no surprise that, according to the UN, 257 years of western development and progress has placed the Earth in imminent danger of utter disaster and that the only way to save the planet is to drink the UN Kool-Aid and knuckle under to global government-directed energy rationing and economic planning.

Oh, and did I mention that the UN says we only have seven years to end the growth of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and 40 years to stop them entirely if we are to avoid killing as many as one-fourth of the planet's species?

I'd be scared too, if I didn't know that this is the very same UN that just admitted to inflating the African AIDS epidemic -- thereby maximizing the public panic feeding its fundraising efforts -- and the very same UN that presided over the corrupt oil-for-food program which gave Saddam Hussein as much as $20 billion in kickbacks while delivering food unfit for human consumption to hungry Iraqis.

What we need to do is peer through the UN's frantic efforts to distract us with a multitude of dire predictions of climatic Armageddon and focus on the core issue of the global warming debate -- only then does it become obvious why the UN's claims call for extreme skepticism.

That key issue, of course, is whether or not manmade CO2 emissions drive global temperature.

In its shockingly brief and superficial treatment of this crucial issue, the UN states, in relevant part, that, "Most of the observed increase in globally-averaged temperatures, since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations. It is likely that there has been significant anthropogenic warming over the past 50 years averaged over every continent (except Antarctica)."

This glib statement overlooks that fact that from 1940 to 1975 globally-averaged temperature declined (giving rise to a much-hyped scare about a looming ice age) while manmade CO2 emissions increased. Global temperature has fallen since 1998 despite ever-increasing CO2 emissions. So for 27 of the last 50 years, globally-averaged temperatures have declined while CO2 emissions have increased. If there's a cause-and-effect relationship between CO2 and temperature in the last 50 years at all, it seems to be slightly in the opposite direction from what the UN claims.

And if we are experiencing manmade global warming, someone should tell Antarctica to get with the program.

The UN also says that, "Atmospheric concentrations of CO2... exceed by far the natural range over the 650,000 years." Readers, apparently, are supposed to let their imaginations run away with them as to the implications of this statement.

What the UN left out is that the relationship between CO2 and temperature over the last 650,000 years is precisely opposite of what it has led the public to believe with statements like the preceding one. Increased atmospheric concentrations of CO2 actually lag global temperature increases anywhere from 800-2000 years according to the Antarctic ice core record that covers the 650,000-year span of time.

Note to readers: A video debate on this point produced by me can be viewed by clicking here.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU

A new temperature reconstruction for the past 2,000 years created by Craig Loehle of the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement indicates that, 1,000 years ago, globally averaged temperature was about 0.3 degrees Celsius warmer than the current temperature. Since that climatic "heat wave" obviously wasn't caused by coal-fired power plants and SUVs, the current temperature is quite within natural variability, further deflating the UN's rash conclusion about the warming of the past 50 years.

There's also the matter of the quality of the temperature records relied on by the UN. In his project entitled, "How Not to Measure Temperature," meteorologist Anthony Watts travels the U.S. inspecting stations at which temperature data are recorded by NASA. In the recently released Part 34 of his series, Watts found that the Klamath Falls, Oregon station was located amid acres of heat-trapping asphalt and exposed to huge amounts of waste heat from electric power conversion.

Watts says the location of the temperature station seems to have been chosen for the convenience of the observer rather than the integrity of the temperature reading. It's not hard to imagine how the upward bias in temperature readings from this and similarly situated stations around the world has raised serious questions about the validity of official temperature records and, consequently, their use in the global warming debate.

So when the UN claims to have divined a global warming trend averaging 0.75 degrees Celsius per century regardless of its cause it's useful to keep in mind that NASA alarmist James Hansen says that the margin of error around the average global temperature is plus/minus 0.7 degrees Celsius. So we can't possibly have all that much confidence in what the UN claims to be happening global temperature-wise.

Don't be distracted by the alarmist arm-waving and sideshows about the North Pole melting, polar bears drowning and the myriad other supposed catastrophes mentioned in the same breath as manmade CO2 emissions and global warming. There's no evidence that manmade CO2 emissions have any created any environmental problem and certainly no scientific justification for handing the keys of the American economy over to the UN.


Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and DemandDebate.com. He is a junk science expert, and advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

CNHT

Clinton was slated to do what Al Gore is doing now but instead he did this:

http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?&pid=1367&srcid=1381

whose mission is:

"In this era of remarkable global interdependence, ensuring more equitable access to existing and future resources is a moral and practical imperative for us all."


Translation = Socialism on a global scale, which ought to further scare the shit out of you all.