Big, bad news! Liberty Dollar offices raided.

[dalebert]

While I also find the idea of a porcupine coin appealing, I think it's a good idea to make it more universal since the FSP is just supposed to be a bus and not everyone wants to be associated with us radical types.  If we ever do get around to minting our own coins, I like the Shire Silver idea!

[Lloyd Danforth]

Yeah!  We could have a couple of crossed s's

[John Edward Mercier]

Call them koins, with a "k".
Take that you lawyer fucks!   

The terms 'dollar' and 'coin' are not the problem. My guess would be that since the statement read 'real money under the Constitution'... that this was not the first inference of that position. But the US Constitution plainly states that Congress controls coin and value. States may adopt 'tender' rendered in only gold or silver. I don't think the LD would fit the bill (pun intended) as it was not Congressionally, nor State, authorized.
If you travel to Funspot in the Lakes Region, your US currency is traded for 'tokens'. These act as quarters would in the various arcade games. If you travel to Las Vegas you can trade in-house in 'chips'... but to my knowledge none of the businesses have publically referred to these items as 'real money under the Constitution'. That would be fraud.

Referring to LD's as "real money" isn't a fraud, nor is it illegal.  Referring to LD's as "current money" however, is (which they never did).

That's why my comment included 'under the Constitution'.

[OnGard4Liberty]

I thought that the word "coin" meant it was government money, which is why LD's were never called "coins."  The federal statute in the probable cause document on the LD website also refers to uttering or passing or attempting to utter or pass coins whether or not they look like US Tender.  If coins, mean any round metal object, they're screwed under this statute.  However, if coin means US legal tender only, they never attempted to pass off their coin as such (and the argument that they did would be pretty weak: "they kinda look like they might be US tender"), they might be ok

[John Edward Mercier]

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don't let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect

I think the above emboldened statement is what the government will base its claims on.

[anarchicluv]

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don't let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect

I think the above emboldened statement is what the government will base its claims on.

Woah, you're taking that section of the statement out of context; the entire sentence reads "We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution."  I can't see anything there that even refers to the Liberty Dollar, nor can I see how that statement would at all support the Fed's actions.

[John Edward Mercier]

They continue on with the 'fake government money'. The Constitution states unequivocally that the Congress has the power to coin, and value money. This will be most likely construed as the LD being the 'real money'.
I'm sure that since the raid took place prior to the statement, that the government has been watching and waiting for what they feel to be conclusive evidence. So other statements of this sort more than likely exist.

[Dave Ridley]

From RidleyReport.com
Liberty Dollar fever spreads after Fed confiscation

Sponsored by Sakal/CAI:  http://sakal/CAI ... In an unexpected development, New Hampshire freedom lovers scramble to buy LD certificates.   Though no longer backed by silver after the FBI raid, certificates have proven at least briefly valuable.  In most cases a person must own one to join the class action lawsuit against Washington.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-JogbjkVoRU

[Puke]

Another awesome video Dave. 

[mvpel]

Debauchery, thy name is government.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

Debauchery, thy name is government.

I used to have a million-pengo note. We need to get some of that Zimbabwe currency to hand out... last week's denominations are cheaper than note paper anyway.

[mvpel]

This eBay seller is offering 10-note lots of Z$100,000, Z$200,000 and a variety of other notes.  Might be nice to get a progression of dates, starting with a Z$5 from 1994 and moving on up through the zeroes and the years.

[Dave Ridley]

at the washington post, response comments are running 20-to-1 in favor of the liberty dollar
the article was good too.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/16/post_203.html?hpid=topnews

[Kat Kanning]

http://brianrwright.com/Coffee_Coaster/01_Columns/071119_Liberty_Dollar_2.htm

[Kat Kanning]

Confiscating Liberty