Standing in Blood.

[anthonybpugh]

I think I just didn't write what I intended to say clearly enough. 

I would expect to see the rates of homelessness higher among veterans than among nonveterans.  I would not expect to see the rates of homelessness to be as high as this study is claiming. 

The study was put out by an advocacy group.  They have an agenda and so they have an incentive to attempt to exaggerate the effect of whatever problem they are addressing.  In am looking at things on their website and they do advocate for more government programs as they are presenting this information. 

http://www.naeh.org/content/article/detail/1837

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I would say, based on personal experience, that 25% of homeless people being veterans is in the right ballpark.

[anthonybpugh]

I'm not saying that it isn't.  I personally don't know since I haven't much experience with homeless.  I am just skeptical. 

[David]

Wow.  He belies the image of the "bomb-throwing" anarchist.

Yea.  Some of his writtings I very much admire.  His analogies are really good, in his writtings.   

[Kat Kanning]

His analogies are really good  

Such as?

[grasshopper]

As of Sunday, November 18, 2007 the "New World" is no better than the old. In fact, it's much, much worse. Here we go having to take it back again. Maybe this time we won't kill the indigenous peoples or enslave the black man or let governments rule over us.

When we are successful I will begin a new Thanksgiving on the date of choice. For now I have a hard time getting worked up about coming to this new land.

Unless I missed the point again and Thanksgiving is really about eating and shopping. 

 Um, My great Grand Mom Brown, was full blood American.  Nova Scotia, Canada.  My Grand parents on my Moms side are De"S--------s/ Canadian blood.
  (screw off data miners)
  My De"St'...  are diplomats by nature.
  My Dad, My Uncle on Moms side are old world warriors, I have herd of stories of sewisides brought on by alcohol, "lead" and by just sorrow.
 I wonder if the Nazis who did this re shuffleing of the facts put their job discription in the mix, you know, the type of person who runs into trouble (to help) in stead of running away from the trouble.
 It is my opinion that the people who run away from a problem are the ones that make it worse.
 

[TackleTheWorld]

His analogies are really good 

Such as?

On the topic of the futility of politics he was pointing out that political advocates can't even get their own parents to give up some of their power, so how are they supposed to get armed, paid, entrenched gov't employees to give up theirs. 
"You are telling me about how your are going to slay the dragon and you can't even flick a gecko off your arm!"

Ah, I love Steph's funny analogies.

[RattyDog]

This was really good to watch...it's good to have a frank reminder sometimes, of why it is so important that we talk to people about these issues. It's so easy, in our society these days, to forget what death means. The way it is reported on TV has us all kind of zombie-ish about it....like it is just something that happens. This reminded me of how many people were not given the chance to speak and are now silenced forever. It reminded me of how many people are sitting on the other side of the world who are going through this every day...it never stops for them.

I wish there were more I could do. I wish I could really just make this whole thing stop...no more killing, no more starving, no more dying...just, stop it all now.

I wish reason and kindness and humility ruled all men. But it seems greed and agendas and power rule many.

[Insurgent]

The last minute really sums up the truth about our situation, difficult as it may be to accept.

"When you salute the flag, you stand in blood.
When you praise the military, you stand in blood.
When you praise a politician, when you join a political party, you stand in blood--you wade in blood.
When you say 'the government should do this' or 'the government should do that' you stand in rising blood--and it is almost covering our mouths, by now."

[David]

Yup. 

His analogies are really good 

Such as?

He made reference to his son being in the kkk.  His son was working inside the kkk system to try to reform it from the inside.  His reference of course is those that try to reform a system that is evil and violent by design. 
That was his most shocking analagy.  http://www.strike-the-root.com/71/molyneux/molyneux3.html
another one  http://www.strike-the-root.com/62/molyneux/molyneux3.html
In one he uses an alien from outer space attack to illustrate a point. 
an archive of his articles  http://www.strike-the-root.com/archive/molyneux.html
He stated our efforts to challenge the violence of gov't should be like the efforts of the abolitionists when they railed against slavery.  They didn't try to reduce it, or make it better, or make it more efficient, they thundered over and over again that it was a moral evil and should be abolished.  On the following website, the second article, Freedoms Failure, is one of the most thought provoking and overall best I have ever read.   http://freedomain.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2005-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2006-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=42

[J’raxis 270145]

He made reference to his son being in the kkk.  His son was working inside the kkk system to try to reform it from the inside.  His reference of course is those that try to reform a system that is evil and violent by design. 
That was his most shocking analagy.  http://www.strike-the-root.com/71/molyneux/molyneux3.html

Someone posted that article on this forum back in May.

[Faber]

I remember that Klan article being posted here.  It went over like a friggin' lead balloon; got a few people here upset.  When you question the morality of political action, a lot of people don't take too kindly to it.

[dysurian]

Thanks for posting the video, I hadn't seen this one yet as I'm catching up on Stefan Molyneux's (the dude in the video) podcasts.

Stef is by far my favorite philosopher of late. He seems to have the logical and ethical side of freedom right with very tight arguments, and stresses the importance of freedom from obligation in your personal life as well as your political life. Most importantly to me as a philosophy guy, he has tackled the task of proving a rational ethic in his book "A Rational Proof of Secular Ethics."

I honestly and strongly believe that his argument from morality is among the most effective tools in the anarcho-capitalist/libertarian toolkit. Arguments from effect only show how government is bad one topic at a time. Arguments from morality show that the use of force is logically contradictory, and show that there's a gun in the room. Keep pointing out the gun in the room!

[David]

I remember that Klan article being posted here.  It went over like a friggin' lead balloon; got a few people here upset.  When you question the morality of political action, a lot of people don't take too kindly to it.

Ain't that the truth. 

[dalebert]

When you question the morality of political action, a lot of people don't take too kindly to it.

Where would you get that idea?