Thanksgiving

[Kat Kanning]

Some links about thanksgiving.

http://www.newhampshireunderground.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Thanksgiving

[coffeeseven]

And here I've always held a pagan view of thanksgiving 
Giving thanks to the earth and nature (and God, gods, Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc) for a bountiful harvest.
And by bringing together friends and family to share in that harvest, you better the world around you through that individual choice. Little as it may seem.
It's about individuals gathering together and edifying each other, not for the purpose of praise but, for showing appreciation and friendship.

Just keep the hippie hugging love will save the world through the collective universal mind and third eye crap out of it

I don't know......I'd have a hard time separating the FSM and hippie hugging love. 

I'm just bummed that's all. Too many friends in jail and the world gone to hell.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

I've read Governor Bradford... he thought Thanksgiving was all about ending socialism (and going back to eating).

[TackleTheWorld]

Ayn Rand's thoughts on Thanksgiving:

Thanksgiving is a typically American holiday.  In spite of its religious form (giving thanks to God for a good harvest), its essential, secular meaning is a celebration of successful production.  It is a producer's holiday.  The lavish meal is a symbol of the fact that abundant consumption is the result and reward of production.  Abundance is (or was and ought to be) America's pride - just as it is the pride of American parents that their children need never know starvation.

Sniff, I miss the 50's

[Lloyd Danforth]

I've read Governor Bradford... he thought Thanksgiving was all about ending socialism (and going back to eating).

Almost everything we think we know about the Mayflower passengers is from Bradford's memory, 30 years after the events took place.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

Almost everything we think we know about the Mayflower passengers is from Bradford's memory, 30 years after the events took place.

In Rothbard's "Conceived In Liberty", he says the Pilgrims attacked another settlement north of them, to keep a monopoly on the fur trade with the Indians. Don't know his source for that.

I thought there was a record of the Mayflower agreement with their investors... I've read that both the Jamestown settlement and the Pilgrims were only collectivized because that was how the investors wanted them to pay off their loans. Unfortunately I haven't read any primary sources except Bradford.

[J’raxis 270145]

Almost everything we think we know about the Mayflower passengers is from Bradford's memory, 30 years after the events took place.

In Rothbard's "Conceived In Liberty", he says the Pilgrims attacked another settlement north of them, to keep a monopoly on the fur trade with the Indians. Don't know his source for that.

I thought there was a record of the Mayflower agreement with their investors... I've read that both the Jamestown settlement and the Pilgrims were only collectivized because that was how the investors wanted them to pay off their loans. Unfortunately I haven't read any primary sources except Bradford.

Merrymount?

[coffeeseven]

Ayn Rand's thoughts on Thanksgiving:

Thanksgiving is a typically American holiday.  In spite of its religious form (giving thanks to God for a good harvest), its essential, secular meaning is a celebration of successful production.  It is a producer's holiday.  The lavish meal is a symbol of the fact that abundant consumption is the result and reward of production.  Abundance is (or was and ought to be) America's pride - just as it is the pride of American parents that their children need never know starvation.

Sniff, I miss the 50's

All I remember is the '60's. You've got a year or two on me.  Back when there was a barbecue at somebody's yard every weekend because all of the neighbors are friends. We've come a long way since then.

I'm just not on the same page with the whole give thanks for bounty thing because

1. People in this country lead the world in being fat, lazy, spoiled and arrogant. They need a diet and a weekend working in a soup kitchen, not another belt-buster meal.

2. Our bounty comes from elsewhere. I don't even know anybody that harvests anymore. Unless you count harvesting from the grocery store. I guess I could be thankful for that?

3. My wife hates to hear me say it but I also have a problem of having one mandatory day set aside to feel thankful. I give my time, or gifts and/or praise often and at random (and applicable) times of the year like when somebody does something nice for me or needs some cheer or just 'cuz I wanna..

People continue to tape cartoon turkeys and pilgims to her living-room windows like it means something. I continue to roll my eyes. Hard to be a team player when your gag reflex is fully kicked in.

By the way Lauren I'm thankful you are out of jail but I won't wait for Thanksgiving to tell you.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Ayn Rand's thoughts on Thanksgiving:

Thanksgiving is a typically American holiday.  In spite of its religious form (giving thanks to God for a good harvest), its essential, secular meaning is a celebration of successful production.  It is a producer's holiday.  The lavish meal is a symbol of the fact that abundant consumption is the result and reward of production.  Abundance is (or was and ought to be) America's pride - just as it is the pride of American parents that their children need never know starvation.

Sniff, I miss the 50's

You were in the 50's for what? like 2minutes?

[Russell Kanning]

2. Our bounty comes from elsewhere. I don't even know anybody that harvests anymore. Unless you count harvesting from the grocery store.

that is what bounty looks like ... you can afford to buy stuff from long distance
people flood in from other lands to harvest the piles of wonderful food grown all around us

[coffeeseven]

The roots of Thanksgiving. Happy happy joy joy.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=66530#66530

[Riddler]

1. People in this country lead the world in being fat, lazy, spoiled and arrogant. They need a diet and a weekend working in a soup kitchen, not another belt-buster meal.

I take umbrage with comments of this nature....why do you throw a majority of Americans under the 'lazy' bus when, in fact, we lead developed nations in the amount of hours worked per year.....MORE overtime, FAR LESS vacation time than our european counterparts....but we're 'lazy'?

[coffeeseven]

I'm lazy!    Or at least... I'm lazy in spirit!     Who has time to be lazy working all day and all night every day of the week?  *sigh* I wish I had time to be lazy...

You are so not on the list. 

[coffeeseven]

List of what?  Lazy people?  Oh yeah I am... I'd be so lazy!!  If only there were more hours in the day!!

I've always believed that we become who we really are in times of stress. These are plenty stressful times.

[coffeeseven]

darnit, so I can't be on the list of lazy people??!  *sigh* fine...   

We'll keep workin' on ya.